23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

Hamlin profanes Nascar.

It was Nascar that invented racing. They gave us a man of the people at least twice with Brian and Jim to deliver only the best. The benevolent non profit single source parts and supply racket etc. GWC'r shiet shows, the bullshiet playoff system that the base hates.

To lead with an obtusiveness that is brain dead to the concept of a local yellow at Road America. Shameless enough to insist on taking a recess or shiet (staged caution) even during a road course race.

Danny hath no shame, but neither does Nascar.
 
Formerjackman said:
One of the things sorely lacking among the few who are considered full time beat reporters for NASCAR is an iconoclast that truly isn't afraid to piss anybody off, ESPECIALLY NASCAR. Where is a Robin Miller when you need them?
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I think the benevolent Dictator demands them all to be their lackies.
 
Greg said:
I think the benevolent Dictator demands them all to be their lackies.
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Or else bad things will happen to them all when the next media deal comes through. Weird that NASCAR is the sole entity to negotiate that and deserves the lions share but also will fail miserably if the teams don't pitch in....
 
Here is a link to an earnest commentary by Clare B Lang. She’s opening up her thoughts and concerns; pretty even handed perspective from a long time reporter in this sport. Worth the read.

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NASCAR Commissioner Phelps and President O'Donnell – Court Documents – Fan Headwinds

OPINON: My take on the crisis in NASCAR – Commissioner Steve Phelps, President Steve O'Donnell, 23XI Front Row, Richard Childress, the owners, and the lawsuit that is tearing NASCAR apart.
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Charlie Spencer said:
We're still talking about NASCAR, right? :blink:
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I can't find the pre-trial show. I'm looking forward to stats about the bench length and banking, number of legal pads each side gets, and stage break timing; a couple of Fox's scripted humorless 'humorous' pieces, lawyer introductions before they're driven around the courthouse, Mikey doing a grid walk with the lawyers and litigants, national anthem and witness swearing-in ceremonies, maybe even Rutledge Wood showing us what the spectators have on their tailgating grills.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I can't find the pre-trial show. I'm looking forward to stats about the bench length and banking, number of legal pads each side gets, and stage break timing; a couple of Fox's scripted humorless 'humorous' pieces, lawyer introductions before they're driven around the courthouse, Mikey doing a grid walk with the lawyers and litigants, national anthem and witness swearing-in ceremonies, maybe even Rutledge Wood showing us what the spectators have on their tailgating grills.
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...and the usual bitching about the legal process, and how it has abandoned grass roots citizens. Might be fun to see what Phelps calls the judge.
 
Revman said:
...and the usual bitching about the legal process, and how it has abandoned grass roots citizens. Might be fun to see what Phelps calls the judge.
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Man, I remember when Dad would take me to trials. We'd tape blankets to the seats to hold our spots, knowing we could leave our cooler and scanners there and no one would bother them. We'd wander around the courthouse, watch the bailiffs getting the benches ready, and the judges would talk to us and sign autographs until everyone was gone. Sometimes they'd let you sit in the witness box, or you might pick up a used gavel off the floor. We'd go back and get our coolers, watch the swearing-in ceremonies; it would be years before I understood why Dad always had to wipe his eyes. The trial would start, and it didn't matter who you were rooting for. The other fans would offer you food and drink, and good-naturedly pick at you when your guy made a mistake.

Now it's all a business. Most courthouses don't allow coolers any more, and you have to go through screening. If you want to see what's going on behind the scenes, you have to pay extra for the privilege. 'Personal assistant' gorillas keep you from talking to the judges and lawyers. Don't even think of waving a Confederate flag.

No wonder no one shows up any more. Young people are attracted to international series like ICC and UN. I don't know how we're going to build a fan base.
 
If you have the time, this podcast from The Athletic team is excellent. It previews the trial and includes an experienced civil litigation attorney and NASCAR fan (Heather M-something…can’t recall the last name) who has been following this extensively. She has excellent insights. Jury is 6 people; a verdict has to be unanimous for the plantiff’s to prevail; if plantiff’s win, Judge BELL WILL DETERMINE THE SETTLEMENT TERMS. He could order any number of actions, and damages.



By the way, despite my support of NASCAR in this case, it is very clear the France family is led by a total POS.
 
And every otherside is worse. I hope the stupid, short sighted, and self serving are handed the loss they deserve before they kill this sport for their greed.
 
Real fans would be doing that to the dumbasses wrecking the sport. Not the people protecting it from the Denny's and MJ's.
 
I don't have much faith in this trial.

When you get in front of a jury most times it's not a matter of legal or Illegal, it a matter of getting the Jury members emotions on your side. I've served on a jury and experienced this firsthand. Also case in point look at the OJ trail.......

All the pretrial mudslinging really had no bearing on if something was done illegal.
 
Conover said:
If you have the time, this podcast from The Athletic team is excellent. It previews the trial and includes an experienced civil litigation attorney and NASCAR fan (Heather M-something…can’t recall the last name) who has been following this extensively. She has excellent insights. Jury is 6 people; a verdict has to be unanimous for the plantiff’s to prevail; if plantiff’s win, Judge BELL WILL DETERMINE THE SETTLEMENT TERMS. He could order any number of actions, and damages.



By the way, despite my support of NASCAR in this case, it is very clear the France family is led by a total POS.
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Definitely an interesting listen!
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Man, I remember when Dad would take me to trials. We'd tape blankets to the seats to hold our spots, knowing we could leave our cooler and scanners there and no one would bother them. We'd wander around the courthouse, watch the bailiffs getting the benches ready, and the judges would talk to us and sign autographs until everyone was gone. Sometimes they'd let you sit in the witness box, or you might pick up a used gavel off the floor. We'd go back and get our coolers, watch the swearing-in ceremonies; it would be years before I understood why Dad always had to wipe his eyes. The trial would start, and it didn't matter who you were rooting for. The other fans would offer you food and drink, and good-naturedly pick at you when your guy made a mistake.

Now it's all a business. Most courthouses don't allow coolers any more, and you have to go through screening. If you want to see what's going on behind the scenes, you have to pay extra for the privilege. 'Personal assistant' gorillas keep you from talking to the judges and lawyers. Don't even think of waving a Confederate flag.

No wonder no one shows up any more. Young people are attracted to international series like ICC and UN. I don't know how we're going to build a fan base.
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I remenber when the Alex Murdoch trial was the golden age here is SC , and now nothing will ever be the same.
When the uppity out of state transplants yapped about all the culture they left behind, I could always remind them that we had Alex.
But that trial and the included food trucks are gone forever now
 
I really paid attention when the lawyer said she’d had to call 911 due to the jurors fighting. Maybe Richard could bust into court sans Rolex and give Phelps a minute or so of noogies followed by the wedgie of all wedgies!
 
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