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NeverNeutral
Guest
Improving racing is not why we race with restrictor/destructor plates.
This is why we race with plates:
This is why we race with plates:
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robbybee
Guest
Destructor Plate def: A knee-jerk reaction by NA$$CAR as a means of reducing speeds on high-banked ovals.
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing
Team Owner
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NeverNeutral
Guest
Care to imagine what that crash would be like if the cars were running 25 miles an hour faster? I sure wouldn't.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Why not specify a LARGER spoiler to slow things down and give the cup cars some grip? Then a little bump wont always mean wrecking.
Instead, Nasclown makes the spoiler smaller and the plate bigger. It makes no sense if they want racing in a pack. The drivers and owners will figure it out and form a parade.
Instead, Nasclown makes the spoiler smaller and the plate bigger. It makes no sense if they want racing in a pack. The drivers and owners will figure it out and form a parade.
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robbybee
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I feel like a stupid parrot!
*sqwak*
Eliminate the plate!
Reduce Grip!
Reduce Downforce!
Eliminate a driver's ability to hold the throttle to the floor for an entire lap!
Restore Racing to SuperSpeedways!
*sqwak*
*sqwak*
Eliminate the plate!
Reduce Grip!
Reduce Downforce!
Eliminate a driver's ability to hold the throttle to the floor for an entire lap!
Restore Racing to SuperSpeedways!
*sqwak*
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Mopardh9
Guest
How has anything changed? Cars still get air and get up into the catch fence, look at last nights' Truck race for a recent example of that. Plate or not recent races have proven these races are a crash fest. Nascar may have slowed down the cars a little ,but they still hit 200 plus in the draft. Nascar has done two things since the advent of the plate to make racing safer. The first making the tracks safer(safer barrier and more improved catch fencing) and the second being a safer car with the COT and the driver safety equipment that has gone along with it. IMO racing with plates is just as dangerous in its' own right.
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robbybee
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The problem is that they are all running the same exact speed nat D&T. THAT is what needs to be addressed!
Auto racing is - and always will be - a dangerous sport. We have seen hellacious crashes at Watkins Glen, for Dog sake...
Auto racing is - and always will be - a dangerous sport. We have seen hellacious crashes at Watkins Glen, for Dog sake...
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
It's amazing how many engineers and pother experts that know exactly how to fix everything with NASCAR.
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robbybee
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FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
The problem is that nascar doesn't know how to fix it, so we get what we got. It's REAL clear to me that nascar, the fans and the networks wanted 'the big one' back, and they sure got it.
Wait, I guess they did fix it.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
Exactly, nothing. I can't, and spouting off like I'm an expert on some obscure racing forum damn sure ain't doing anything.
Matthew2470
It's not that serious
The school from which you earned your physics degree owes you a full refund.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Beyond reason, it's pissing you off to no end. Why is that? You say 'stop talking, you can't fix it', then start trying to train us to post what you want us to post.
That doesn't make any sense.
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robbybee
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I will send them an invoice! Thanks, Matt!
Seriously, though... The problem with Destructor Plate Racing (if one considers it a "problem, that is) is that every car runs the same exact speed - which results in huge packs of cars running at close to 200 MPH within inches of each other for X number of laps/miles. It is a formula that can only lead to the kind of mayhem we see in each and every Plate Race. It is commonly referred to as "The Big One".
Matthew2470
It's not that serious
You are a funny dude. You are never mad.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
Where, exactly, am I trying to "train" anyone on how/what to post? All I'm saying is that people trying to play expert look rather silly. Unless, of course, you slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Mopardh9
Guest
Since the introduction of the plate, I think Nascar has done a poor job of managing the problems associated with it as the sport has evolved. Nascar has the final say in it as far as I know and I'd think by now that they should have a better handle on it. With the R&D center, all the engineers, input from drivers and CCs, racing at Daytona and Dega should be better by now. It seems to take one step forward and three steps backwards when Nascar makes any changes.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
We did. May we continue?
Only if you can produce a receipt.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
That is exactly what I have been saying. Give all the Toyotas and Dodges 4 cyl. engines ; all of the Fords 6cyl . engines and all of the Chevys 8cyl. engines ...get some seperation on track...end of problem.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
My Gnome ate it.
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robbybee
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LOeffenL!
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Smaller engine for everyone. 320 CI should keep speeds sane and spread things out.
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robbybee
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MOEJOE
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3.0 V6. Problem solved.
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robbybee
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They tried that in the Busch Series some years ago. The cars sounded like a swarm of bees going round the track and it was an absolute failure. And if they were all restricted, it wouldn't matter anyway - cause they would all still be running at the same exact speed...
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Oh, if you only knew..............
Only Digger can bring out your angry side.
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robbybee
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SST55
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Na$car created this problem by demanding "parity". Engines today all produce roughly the same hp, if not na$car finds a way to limit them. Common body templates, all produce nearly the same aero numbers, same springs/shocks at some tracks. Now is it any wonder they run in packs?
Remember when the shoe box Lumina ran against the T-birds then the Taurus, both were more aero, and the Lumina won?
Remember when the shoe box Lumina ran against the T-birds then the Taurus, both were more aero, and the Lumina won?
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robbybee
Guest
But they DON'T run "in packs" at Vegas or Texas or Bristol or even Fontucky! Why?? Because the drivers CANNOT hold the throttle wide freaking open for an entire lap. It is really quite simple, y'all!
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
That's what nascar wanted, because that's what the fans wanted.
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robbybee
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...not THIS fan...
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Totally agree. There's so no shortage of this on this board. Seems everyone's got the solution except for NASCAR. I wonder if anyone here has filled out a job application with NASCAR as a plate track specialist?
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robbybee
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Aye! There's the rub.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
I don't think it's as simple as that. The plate sets everyone to the same HP. There is no way around the fixed air volumn. The HP ceiling is dropped so much, even low budget teams can reach it. At Non-plate tracks, some teams or manufacturers get an edge of 20 HP or more. The HP window is much larger, so it's a factor in cars getting spread out more.
I get your point about handeling, but we have seen what happens when nascar lowers the spoiler just a little on the cup cars. It's carnage or a parade. If the drivers hold back, like in the second duel, it's boring until they try to go and the slightest tap or aero disturbance gets them out of shape.
I still believe that increasing mechanical grip and taking away the splitter is the answer. NASCAR had plans to go to a wider tire, but they decided to go aero. I don't know why.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
It's really annoying when people talk about stuff in a forum, isn't it?
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robbybee
Guest
That IS the problem! The "Plate" makes it so that EVERY driver can put the Pedal to the Metal and hold it there. Ask any racer. They will tell you that the key to winning races is being able to stay on the throttle more than the other guy. When EVERY driver can stay full throttle all of the time, it ceases to be a race. It's not about HP. It's about handling and throttle management!
(BTW, I have asked many racers that very question.)
