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Also I do not want to see Alan in the Pit Box as Gordon's crew Chief.

NASCAR's corruption aside and a seemingly hate for Gordon these drivers have is besides the point.

Two years in a row where Alan gives Gordon a piece of junk only to have Gordon step up huge only this time he comes short. Unnaceptable.

To be put in that position twice in 2 years is unheard of. Alan needs to get back to behind the scenes. Guy does not belong crew chiefing.

For the sake of Alan not being there next year I hope the 24 team struggle even more.

2005 is a hall of fame year for Gordon compare to 2013.

That is all.
 
Didn't Alan put him on the pole?

Jeff hasn't been the same driver since he lost Ray and switched to the COTs... After his post race interview last night, I wouldn't be surprised if he announced his retirement
 
reck said:
Also I do not want to see Alan in the Pit Box as Gordon's crew Chief.

NASCAR's corruption aside and a seemingly hate for Gordon these drivers have is besides the point.

Two years in a row where Alan gives Gordon a piece of junk only to have Gordon step up huge only this time he comes short. Unnaceptable.

To be put in that position twice in 2 years is unheard of. Alan needs to get back to behind the scenes. Guy does not belong crew chiefing.

For the sake of Alan not being there next year I hope the 24 team struggle even more.

2005 is a hall of fame year for Gordon compare to 2013.

That is all.
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Jeffy had his day. His life has changed racing not number one anymore, he has other things on his mind now.
 
Sidewayz said:
Didn't Alan put him on the pole?

Jeff hasn't been the same driver since he lost Ray and switched to the COTs... After his post race interview last night, I wouldn't be surprised if he announced his retirement
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Since when is been good for 1 lap good enough?

Alan cant setup a car worth a damn. They're always way off. By the time they are decent in the race the race is over.

He cant even hit on qual setups. That's a major part of the reason why they got into someone else's wrecks. Starting at the back of the pack every damn race.

This team needs new bloond and I dont mean swap, it needs an overhaul. An outside hire. Give me Grubbs.
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
Jeffy had his day. His life has changed racing not number one anymore, he has other things on his mind now.
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Indeed he did but as long as he is racing, as a fan I'd like to see him been competitive, not held back.

Time is really not on his side so whatever time he has on the racetrack he needs to make the best of it.
 
The problem with Jeff is he doesn't care enough anymore. He clung to Steve L for years because he was comfortable. He'll do the same with Alan, because he gives him lots of time off.
 
You guys are ridiculous, Gordon isn't retiring anytime soon. He doesn't care enough about racing anymore? Get real.

Gustafson isn't Evernham, he isn't even Loomis, but I'm not ready to cast him aside just yet. If the 24 runs strong and wins a couple before the season is over, bring him back next year. If the team continues to struggle with setups and can't run up front, I'll agree it's time for a change.
 
On the bright side, with points out of the way they have nothing to go for but wins now. Time for some strategy plays.
 
FLRacingFan said:
On the bright side, with points out of the way they have nothing to go for but wins now. Time for some strategy plays.
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The other 3 HMS are in the chase, all of the focus & good cars will be sent their way. Gordon will be the guinea pig for 2014 test setups for the final 10.
 
Jeff Gordon has 3 full seasons left. Maybe needs a new CC and new engineers to help him go out on a high note. The dude has been driving his ass off this year but sometimes the car is just too far off, even for someone with Jeff's talent and experience.
 
He was a bubble Chaser last year, as he was again in 2013. With a few notable names not in this year, he still couldn't race his way in. However, I thought he finished right where he stacks up in relation to the competition.

I don't believe Alan's the problem, it's more to do with the fact that Gordon isn't a top 10 driver anymore. Perhaps a CC change might freshen things up but I still don't see Jeff as a Chaser these days. He snuck in on a wildcard last year but really Kyle handed it to him.

I haven't seen all the races this year but has Gordon been a legit contender to win the race in the late going even once this year?
 
Pocono was the closest he got. He had a wonderful setup at Bristol both races but his tire blew the 1st race & the second his pit crew let him down (shocker). A few races where cautions while he was in the pits ruined his day. Just another foul luck season
 
Jeff is still a competitive driver but just not expected to win any given race. I think he can still win a race or two but his glory days are behind him. Jeff and his team did what they could by winning the pole and coming back from 2 laps down and was poised to be in the chase. His chance at the chase this year was taken from him by MWR using team cars to manipulate the outcome.
 
Zerkfitting said:
Jeff is still a competitive driver but just not expected to win any given race. I think he can still win a race or two but his glory days are behind him. Jeff and his team did what they could by winning the pole and coming back from 2 laps down and was poised to be in the chase. His chance at the chase this year was taken from him by MWR using team cars to manipulate the outcome.
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No his chance was taken from him by HIS TEAM not running well enough for the first 26 races of the year. 5 DNF'S is good evidence of that.

MWR didn't have anything to do with Edwards beating Newman off pit road. Hendrick has used team cars to manipulate races many times before.
 
Don't make a crap if you are out of the chase. If I wasn't in, I would be determined to make a farce out of it. How do you do that, get up there and race, top 5's, wins, you get the money and attention for that regardless.
 
StandOnIt said:
Don't make a crap if you are out of the chase. If I wasn't in, I would be determined to make a farce out of it. How do you do that, get up there and race, top 5's, wins, you get the money and attention for that regardless.
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Kyle Busch circa 2012? Didn't he out point all the Chase drivers last year in the final 10 races?
 
yeah and he also won more money that Kez did.:p Johnson came in third and made more than either of them..go figure.
 
No his chance was taken from him by HIS TEAM not running well enough for the first 26 races of the year. 5 DNF'S is good evidence of that.

MWR didn't have anything to do with Edwards beating Newman off pit road. Hendrick has used team cars to manipulate races many times before.
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Good point, there were probably many times during the season to pick up a point. MWR probably caused the caution which gave Newman the chance to fall out of the lead. But I'm trying to recall other recent examples of serious team orders. One thing that can be said is that someone at MWR figured out how to get the job done and I'm assuming NASCAR can do nothing about it - the plan was well played.
 
Hmm...I dont know if its all because of the CC, but I think thats part of it. 50% age, 50% team.
 
This past Saturday was a sad day for me as a son of a big time Jeff Gordon fan. Really hope he comes back next year strong. I dont like seeing drives decline as the year go past but i do think that Jeff has more to offer.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
He was a bubble Chaser last year, as he was again in 2013. With a few notable names not in this year, he still couldn't race his way in. However, I thought he finished right where he stacks up in relation to the competition.

I don't believe Alan's the problem, it's more to do with the fact that Gordon isn't a top 10 driver anymore. Perhaps a CC change might freshen things up but I still don't see Jeff as a Chaser these days. He snuck in on a wildcard last year but really Kyle handed it to him.

I haven't seen all the races this year but has Gordon been a legit contender to win the race in the late going even once this year?
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Maybe if you watch more races you'd know why he was teethering in the top 15 all year long.

Gordon is and will be a top ten driver in this sport for as long as he is racing.

He may not win as often but that doesn't mean he's not competing.

Just out of curiosity, who are the top ten drivers in this sports?
 
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reck said:
Maybe if you watch more races you'd know why he was teethering in the top 15 all year long.

Gordon is and will be a top ten driver in this sport for as long as he is racing.

He may not win as often but that doesn't mean he's not competing.

Just out of curiosity, who are the top ten drivers in this sports?
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I've seen enough races over the past few years to be confident in my assessment of Gordon. He hasn't shown me much to make me think he deserves a spot in the Chase. He snuck in by the hair of his teeth last year, and as I expected he couldn't do it again this year.

My list of top drivers are as follows

JJ
KyBusch
KuBusch
Smoke
Kenseth
Keselowski
Hamlin
Harvick
Edwards
Bowyer
Kahne
Biffle
Truex jr
JR
Newman
Gordon
Logano

I've got Gordon rated at 16th. That's about how I see em, obviously you have a differing opinion but I think Gordon finished about where he stacks up, maybe even a little better due to injuries to Smoke, Hamlin, and penalties to Kez and Logano
 
reck said:
ROFL!
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Well with an average finish of 15.5 this year, I'd say that's in line with my assessment of him.

I'm not talking career achievements here, but over the last few years he has taken a step back IMO and the competition has surpassed him at this point. He's got the best equipment and most resources in the entire garage, but he's only got a little over 200 laps led through 26 races. Couple that with only 5 top 5's and no wins, I see no reason why he should be in the Chase this year.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Well with an average finish of 15.5 this year, I'd say that's in line with my assessment of him.

I'm not talking career achievements here, but over the last few years he has taken a step back IMO and the competition has surpassed him at this point. He's got the best equipment and most resources in the entire garage, but he's only got a little over 200 laps led through 26 races. Couple that with only 5 top 5's and no wins, I see no reason why he should be in the Chase this year.
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Oh how cool of you to take a 1 year sample size. Because of course 1 year determines how good or bad a driver is. :rolleyes:

If you take the past 5 or so years and compare it with most of the drivers you have on your list Gordon would still have more wins, top 5s, 10s, laps led, as well as being in the top 10 in points.

Gordon has almost the same average finish that Kurt and Biffle and has a better average finish than Kahne andNewman.

I'd like to see you spin this one stretch.
 
reality check.since 08, JJ-31 wins, Kyle-24 wins, Kurt 7 wins, Tony 16 wins...Gordon 6 wins. since 2010, Gordon has lost ground after he was in the chase. four years ago as the last year he gained positions when in the chase 2009.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Well with an average finish of 15.5 this year, I'd say that's in line with my assessment of him.

I'm not talking career achievements here, but over the last few years he has taken a step back IMO and the competition has surpassed him at this point. He's got the best equipment and most resources in the entire garage, but he's only got a little over 200 laps led through 26 races. Couple that with only 5 top 5's and no wins, I see no reason why he should be in the Chase this year.
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Top 5s - 5 (T13th)
Top 10s - 12 (T10th)
Laps led - 217 (11th)
Avg. finish - 15.5 (11th)
Driver rating - 88.6 (13th)

Not a very good year, but not as bad as you think.

The last time he finished outside the Top 10 in points he finished 6th the next year, so maybe things can turn around a little bit.
 
StandOnIt said:
reality check.since 08, JJ-31 wins, Kyle-24 wins, Kurt 7 wins, Tony 16 wins...Gordon 6 wins. since 2010, Gordon has lost ground after he was in the chase. four years ago as the last year he gained positions when in the chase 2009.
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Standings, laps led, lets see it.

Dont just post what's convinient to suit your case.

Let me be clear, this is not about making Gordon look like he was in the mid to late 90s. This is about Gordon still being competive and a top 10 driver to date.

3wide over there is making it sound like Gordon is a back marker that cant even make the top ten.

Out of 21 years he's only been outside the top 10 three times, counting this year.

That's pretty damn good.

Oh and at least 1 pole since he came into the sport. I'd like you to find me a current active driver who's done all that.
 
reck said:
Standings, laps led, lets see it.

Dont just post what's convinient to suit your case.

Let me be clear, this is not about making Gordon look like he was in the mid to late 90s. This is about Gordon still being competive and a top 10 driver to date.

3wide over there is making it sound like Gordon is a back marker that cant even make the top ten.

Out of 21 years he's only been outside the top 10 three times, counting this year.

That's pretty damn good.

Oh and at least 1 pole since he came into the sport. I'd like you to find me a current active driver who's done all that.
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as a long time fan of gordon, you can't see things from a level perspective. If you look at the stats though you can see the fall off over a long period. He isn't washed up like some haters say, but his performance is slowly falling off.
 
StandOnIt said:
as a long time fan of gordon, you can't see things from a level perspective. If you look at the stats though you can see the fall off over a long period. He isn't washed up like some haters say, but his performance is slowly falling off.
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I just gave you the stats, as did FLRacing.

Your problem is you're looking at the win collum exclusively. Going by that, yes the fall off is evident but winning is not everything in this sport. Kenseth can tell you all about it.

Also Gordon once won 10 races and still came short of a championship so yea. You see where I'm going with this.
 
I'm not saying he's a backmarker at all, he's still somewhat competitive. However the Chase isn't easy to make, only a select few can make it in every year. If you look at Gordon's career, anyone with a set of eyes can plainly see the drop off. I just think he's been finishing where he stacks up, he's a bubble guy now and certainly not a shoe in for the Chase.

Reck, over the last 5 years Gordon's had what 6 wins? Kez had 5 just last year, I believe Denny had 5 last year aswell, Kenseth has 5 this year. Gordon's had a Hall of Fame career, but time has caught up to him just like it does to everyone else.

The crew chief is not the problem, nor is the equipment. Jeff just doesn't cakewalk through the field anymore like he used to, the competition is tough.
 
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