Memo to NASCAR:

AndyMarquisLive said:
So now NASCAR needs a special engine package for QUALIFYING because the fans have decided they want single car qualifying again?

Good thing NASCAR isn't listening to the purists.
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For both the race and qualifying. They already run different engine and aero packages from the rest of the tracks there.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That's essentially what NASCAR said. :idunno:
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If they said that they asked the Fan Council about Daytona qualifying prior to this change than that is not correct.

I am not allowed as a member to say what they did ask about but I can say that after Sunday's qualifying debacle, if the subject of Daytona qualifying were of interest to you, you would have been interested in that most recent survey. Too little, to late if you ask me.
 
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AndyMarquisLive said:
It was more exciting than the previous format, but at what cost?

That said, when has qualifying ever mattered at Daytona?
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Again, that's only your opinion. I disagree completely with your meaning of excitement.

Qualifying for the Daytona 500 has meant something to the drivers and fans of the drivers that win it. It's NASCAR's most prestigious event. It doesn't effect the outcome of the race any more than it does at any other track if that's what you're getting at.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Again, that's only your opinion. I disagree completely with your meaning of excitement.

Qualifying for the Daytona 500 has meant something to the drivers and fans of the drivers that win it. It's NASCAR's most prestigious event. It doesn't effect the outcome of the race any more than it does at any other track if that's what you're getting at.
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Because drivers often rocket their way from 15th to 1st in five laps at other tracks. :rolleyes:
 
Qualifying starts with the luck of the draw as to who goes first and who follows. The each car does his best to get the fastest time in order to start the Dual up front or get one of 2 starting spots for the 500.
As far as I am concerned just draw numbers for the starting spot of the dual races. Winners of the dual gets front row 500 start and the one with the greatest margin of victory gets the pole.

This way all qualifying is done away with, the emphases is on the dual's ( as it should be) and the teams gave to save all that money. :cheers:
 
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I sent them my note with the suggestion that they adopt the old Indycar format. Changing an hour long format to one that takes several days might not fly...
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Qualifying was the subject of this thread. The race is two threads down on the left. The issue will be dead when people are done talking about it. Those sort of things take care of themselves.
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People want to drop an argument when they don't have a leg to stand on - you know, when they take a contrary position or argue simply for the sake of arguing. Eventually, with no real points to make, you run out of things to say
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
... The qualifying format didn't cause that wreck. Reed Sorenson and Clint Bowyer, trying to win the Daytona 500 in a qualifying session for a heat race, caused the wreck.
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You're right that the format didn't cause the wreck. The format works well at every other track except ... Daytona and Talladega. What caused the wreck, and what caused qualifying to be a cluster-hump, was restrictor plates. The only way those are going away is to redesign those two tracks. Until then, expect ever more special rules for them.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
You're right that the format didn't cause the wreck. The format works well at every other track except ... Daytona and Talladega. What caused the wreck, and what caused qualifying to be a cluster-hump, was restrictor plates. The only way those are going away is to redesign those two tracks. Until then, expect ever more special rules for them.
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The restrictor plates didn't cause it either. Reed Sorenson and Clint Bowyer did by trying to win the Daytona 500 in a qualifying warm-up lap for a heat race.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
... It doesn't effect the outcome of the race any more than it does at any other track if that's what you're getting at.
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Huh? Where a driver qualifies certainly means more at Bristol, Martinsville, or a road course than at either plate track. Only at Daytona and Talladega do drivers deliberately go to the back within five laps of the green flag, while others go from last to the front in the same period.

The only affect on outcome from qualifying at Daytona and Talladega is a choice of pit stall. Starting first provides no competitive advantage other than a spot in next year's Shootout.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The restrictor plates didn't cause it either. Reed Sorenson and Clint Bowyer did by trying to win the Daytona 500 in a qualifying warm-up lap for a heat race.
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If it weren't for the plates, neither Bowyer nor Sorenson nor any of the rest of them would have been sitting around pit road while the clock ran, afraid to go out by themselves when the green flag drops because they won't be in the draft or be in the wrong group or can't get teamed up with their buddy.
 
Do we really need qualifying? Couldn't we just do this with the Duels? :swords:
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If it weren't for the plates, neither Bowyer nor Sorenson nor any of the rest of them would have been sitting around pit road while the clock ran, afraid to go out by themselves when the green flag drops because they won't be in the draft or be in the wrong group or can't get teamed up with their buddy.
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Yeah, they don't sit and wait until the last minute in qualifying at any other track and drivers don't throw blocks or get in wrecks at any other track. This is an exclusive to Daytona and Talladega problem. :sarcasm:
 
Charlie Spencer said:
ISC needs something on Sunday to sell tickets for. NASCAR has to provide content for that FOX contract.
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Run the Duels. There is so much practice they have a lot to choose from if they need something for Thursday.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That said, when has qualifying ever mattered at Daytona?
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Qualifying is important because it determines the starting grid.

For cars that didnt get in with a front row speed, with a high enough finish in one of Thursdays Duals, or a high enough provisional the actual qualifying speeds is a make or break point. I am sure that all effected thinks it is a big deal.

Perhaps a google of Nascars most prestigious and highest paying event would be beneficial and help with some compression well.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Yeah, they don't sit and wait until the last minute in qualifying at any other track and drivers don't throw blocks or get in wrecks at any other track. This is an exclusive to Daytona and Talladega problem. :sarcasm:
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I never said they don't throw blocks or get in wrecks elsewhere. But at other tracks Sorenson would have come back in at the first chance and beat the fender back into shape because he wouldn't have to worry about losing the draft.
 
For the Daytona 500, fans are already getting two 60 lap qualifying races later in the week, Thursday night primetime, so why do they have to make Pole Qualifying exciting? They don't.

It's unfair to the drivers and makes a joke out of the sport this is, 3 hours of single car qualifying is fine, I mean the announcers talking about whoever is on track keeps me intrigued.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Dear NASCAR:

How dare you do anything to try to attract new fans. You should go back to how things were in the 1960s when races were decided by six laps instead of six seconds. You should also pull off the restrictor plates because it's just too dangerous to qualify or race in a pack of cars. I mean, someone wrecking at 240 mph would be less dangerous than someone wrecking at 196 mph according to the infinite wisdom of Racing-Forums.com so we should all trust their judgement. You should also start setting the field for the Daytona 500 with heat races, the way you have been since 1959.
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I thought racing was all about the fastest car on the track, not bracket racing. That's was all about in the 60's when I was a kid going to watch stock car racing at my local race track. Which, BTW was put out of business after they became a NA$CAR affiliated track.
 
blue92 said:
I thought racing was all about the fastest car on the track, not bracket racing. That's was all about in the 60's when I was a kid going to watch stock car racing at my local race track. Which, BTW was put out of business after they became a NA$CAR affiliated track.
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When you're paying $4 billion to be at the racetrack, you get to call the shots and we can have our purity crusade and races can be decided by five laps instead of five seconds again. Just because I say fans won't watch doesn't mean I give a damn.

NASCAR has to put on something people want to see. If they did what the drivers wanted and what fans want because of what the drivers want, the racing would be absolutely atrocious. Now that Bernard's gone at IndyCar, they're catering to the purists again and they're about three years away from total irrelevancy.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
When you're paying $4 billion to be at the racetrack, you get to call the shots and we can have our purity crusade and races can be decided by five laps instead of five seconds again. Just because I say fans won't watch doesn't mean I give a damn.

Now that Bernard's gone at IndyCar, they're catering to the purists again and they're about three years away from total irrelevancy.
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NO SHi† from 22 races down to 16 races this year, just 20 drivers involved. They put the George family back in charge and it's back to them running the sport into the ground.
 
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