What did you think of the Martinsville call?

What should NASCAR have done at the end of Martinsville?

  • They got it right, penalize Bell

    Votes: 18 33.3%

  • They should've penalized Bell and Byron

    Votes: 24 44.4%

  • They should've penalized just Byron

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Nobody should've been penalized.

    Votes: 11 20.4%
  • Total voters
    54
aunty dive said:
To say that Byron, or anyone else, shouldn’t be penalized because their radios were silent and therefore they didn’t know what was happening is embarrassing, IMO. The damn cars are packing very effective rear facing cameras. The 2 wide rolling blockade was on his screen … right in front of his boyish face.
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I don't think a penalty for that would stand up under appeal. Again, there's no direct evidence Byron did anything wrong.
aunty dive said:
He attended the meeting.
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Was there indeed such a meeting? Banning that sort of activity would be an excellent starting point.
 
StandOnIt said:
I've found no proof of a meeting. How are you going to enforce banning meetings, like zoom calls for instance?
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No clue, but I haven't seen any other manufacturer sanctions yet that are both appropriate and enforceable. Smacking all teams for one or two teams' actions doesn't seem fair to me. Maybe the next round of team contracts with manu's will include escape clauses if the manu leaves dirt on them. Does NASCAR really want to encourage mass defections from a manu?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
No clue, but I haven't seen any other manufacturer sanctions yet that are both appropriate and enforceable. Smacking all teams for one or two teams' actions doesn't seem fair to me. Maybe the next round of team contracts with manu's will include escape clauses if the manu leaves dirt on them. Does NASCAR really want to encourage mass defections from a manu?
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Probably be a good idea to have a racing format that isn't so easy to cheat with first ya think? See: IMSA, High Limit, F-1, WEC, Indycar, WoO etc. Quit trying to make it like stick and ball, it doesn't work.
 
StandOnIt said:
Probably be a good idea to have a racing format that isn't so easy to cheat with first ya think? See: IMSA, High Limit, F-1, WEC, Indycar, WoO etc. Quit trying to make it like stick and ball, it doesn't work.
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I agree but we're back to 'what would be great' vs. 'what won't happen in the real world'.
 
I have not heard a word from either manufacturer to admonish the teams and drivers for what they did at Martinsville. That speaks volumes to me.
 
rd45usa said:
I have not heard a word from either manufacturer to admonish the teams and drivers for what they did at Martinsville. That speaks volumes to me.
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aunty dive said:
To say that Byron, or anyone else, shouldn’t be penalized because their radios were silent and therefore they didn’t know what was happening is embarrassing, IMO. The damn cars are packing very effective rear facing cameras. The 2 wide rolling blockade was on his screen … right in front of his boyish face. He attended the meeting.

Want to stop manufacturers involving themselves in the outcome of races? Draconian penalties will take care of that. How about a post race DQ for all cars involved, loss of 500 owner and driver points and $500,000.00 fines for both. And toss the crew chiefs and spotters for 5 events carried over to the next season if necessary.

Give the corporate suits something to think about.
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I’d like to give this 100 more likes. 👍🏼
 
The simple question is if it wasnt a manufacture team collusion then why would Chastain and Dillon do it? Why would people and crews that aren’t even on Byron or Bells teams screw up their own races to just help out a couple guys?

It’s an amazing act of charity. Maybe some kinda mercy rule? Those guys look sad let’s help them out. No one told us to. We just decided spontaneously.

Some of the rationalizations and excuses here are worthy of a mafia don. “ I never have the order to kill nobody! I just said someone should pet a horses head and wish the guy a good night! Totally innocent! “
 
rd45usa said:
I have not heard a word from either manufacturer to admonish the teams and drivers for what they did at Martinsville. That speaks volumes to me.
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The Ford execs are sitting in the corner giggling behind their hands, grateful they already had two cars in and didn't have to play games (this year).
 
I think the issue is that without foul play, Byron would have been eliminated.

All can be forgiven.. unless Byron wins it all.

In that case, they ****** up by not putting Bell back in or cancelling out both penalties.

Byron can not win it.
 
So now if anyone touches, bumps, pulls in front, follows, tries to pass or pulls out of line of one of the 4
Their intention is going to be questioned by NASCAR

I see lots of black flags or 5th place gets lapped in 10 laps
Basically everyone one else parks it
To watch the 4 duke it out
 
StandOnIt said:
Oh, I had forgotten when they told Jones not to pass Hamlin and that was ok.

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I wondered about 2 years ago as well when Roger basically told Blaney the same, referring to him on TV as Logano’s “wingman”.
Is that not the same basic concept also? Literally everyone seemed fine with it then.
 
Years ago at Martinsville, the Penske drivers manipulated the restarts when they had P1 and P2. The driver leading the preferred inside lane would slow the line to allow the other Penske car to take the lead from the outside lane. Other multi car teams started to do that at a variety of tracks when they got P1 and P2. I don't see that technique happening anymore. When teams get innovative they end up adding to the rule book.
 
"Team Chevy" as it is, manipulated the end of the Martinsville race to Byron's benefit whether he, possibly being as dumb as a box of rocks, knew it or not.

IMHO, because of that manipulation, "Team Chevy" should have been severely penalized by imposing a disqualification of the #24 car, like the #48 car was at the Roval, with the finishing position of the #24 dropped from 6th to 37th (last) place.

Sure, Byron would become the fall guy in all of this, possibly through no fault of his own, but "Team Chevy" couldn't possibly be adequately kicked upside the head enough without Byron ending up with a "Sucks To Be Him" sign stuck to his backside at Phoenix.
 
Drivers were being told what to do. Their bosses were telling them what to do. From now on, Nascar told the drivers to not listen to what the car makers are telling them to do. Nascar also had a talk with the OEM's. So, IMO the clusterpuck will continue.
 
wi_racefan said:
But 2 wrongs don't make a right. The 23 slowed for him and he rode the wall

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Certainly.

But Bells point and the point that I made previously in this thread is that the 20 and 23 shouldn't have never been in a position to do what they did.
 
wi_racefan said:
They were cheating so I did still isn't a good argument.

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I cheated because they cheated Why am I getting punished for cheating and response to their cheating and they get rewarded?
 
cheesepuffs said:
One thing's for sure.

C Bell must be very confident that he'll never need to seek a new ride with any Chevy team in the future.
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Well he is literally the best driver TRD has right now, so I wouldn't be too worried

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