23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

Charlie Spencer said:
There are NO 'natural' birds, remember? ;-)
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Are these real? From Blue Sky.
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wi_racefan said:
I'm lost why are we talking about birds?

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It is like driving your car down the road minding your own business and then just splat like that, all over your windshield.

I hadn't ever done it, but if I was skydiving the temptation to give the same treatment back to one of those harmless creatures would have to be considered.

But then it gets really messy when you realize a large part of the bird population is artificial birds, designed for surveillance. They are watching everything you do, and they are watching the wimmins too. I am sure that the France empire and dictatorship is watching and manipulating everything dowm to controlling the culture as well.

Somebody needs to splat on them

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Greg said:
It is like driving your car down the road minding your own business and then just splat like that, all over your windshield.

I hadn't ever done it, but if I was skydiving the temptation to give the same treatment back to one of those harmless creatures would have to be considered.

But then it gets really messy when you realize a large part of the bird population is artificial birds, designed for surveillance. They are watching everything you do, and they are watching the wimmins too. I am sure that the France empire and dictatorship is watching and manipulating everything dowm to controlling the culture as well.

Somebody needs to splat on them

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I think a "random" drug test may be in order

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KTMLew01 said:
Are these real? From Blue Sky.View attachment 81655
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They're Burrowing Owls.

www.allaboutbirds.org

Burrowing Owl Overview, All About Birds, Cornell Lab of Ornithology

Owls are unmistakable birds, and that goes double for a long-legged owl that hunts on the ground during the day. Burrowing Owls are small, sandy colored owls with bright-yellow eyes. They live underground in burrows they’ve dug themselves or taken over from a prairie dog, ground squirrel, or...
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I had the privilege of having this Harris's Hawk 'lighten the load' on my hat before take-off during a falconry encounter last year.
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Charlie Spencer said:
@LewTheShoe , let me clarify.

I realize in hindsight my comment could be interpreted as suggesting you should look this stuff up yourself. That is NOT what I meant.

I meant knowing jacksh*t has never been required to post on the Internet, and it's pointless to expect otherwise. The comment was indeed intended to be snotty, just a different flavor of snot. My apologies for any confusion....
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I know that, Charlie. There was no confusion. And my post was not intended to complain about R-F members expressing opinions about the lawsuit, despite not knowing much about the facts or the law.

I just think we should refrain from claiming to know a lot more than we actually know. We should label our biased opinions as such... because R-F members tend to be more knowledgeable and more reasonable than average blowhards spouting off on Twitter or Reddit. Just my opinion, of course.

And BTW @aunty dive, I am almost 100% certain that Nascar *does* collect a fee from each charter transfer. It was part of the original 2015 description of the charter system, if I recall correctly. I could be wrong, but feel 99+% confident in that little factoid.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I just think we should refrain from claiming to know a lot more than we actually know. We should label our biased opinions as such.
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You do know hoe the Internet works, right?

LewTheShoe said:
because R-F members tend to be more knowledgeable and more reasonable than average blowhards spouting off on Twitter or Reddit.
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No, it looks like maybe you don’t! :p

LewTheShoe said:
I am almost 100% certain that Nascar *does* collect a fee from each charter transfer.
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I've tried to avoid saying either way but I also recall it gets a cut.
 
KTMLew01 said:
Bet get a cut from every car/part purchase too.
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The reason the parts move thru Nascar is so they can be inspected. Of course conspiracy theorists will come up with whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't raise the costs on parts. Part inspectors don't work for nothing, I don't think there is a non profit for part inspectors.
 
StandOnIt said:
The reason the parts move thru Nascar is so they can be inspected. Of course conspiracy theorists will come up with whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't raise the costs on parts. Part inspectors don't work for nothing, I don't think there is a non profit for part inspectors.
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You don't think the "parts inspectors" are NASCAR employees? Salaried employees?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The famous 'broken wing' behavior. They're trying to lure potential threats away from their nests or chicks. 'Follow me, I'm an easy meal!' Once the threat has followed far enough away, that wing miraculously heals. 'Sucker.'
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Great tactics.. but what doesn't make sense to me is, if they're smart enough to do these different defense strategies. Why aren't they smart enough to build a nest in a tree instead of on the ground?! 🤣
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Didn't a team get penalized in the Gen 7 era for using parts that had been supplies as out of tolerance directly from the approved manufacturer? I recall them being told compliance was the team's responsibility.
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Nope, that was Hendricks excuse as to why they modified their hood louvers. Nascar didn't buy it.
 
Well from what I've seen nascar plans on allowing 4 open cars again next season. Also it looks like 23XI is getting ready to make an announcement about a 3rd car.

Does anyone else realize that if they don't get an injunction there isn't even enough spots for the 3 23XI cars and even 2 Front Row ones?

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wi_racefan said:
Well from what I've seen nascar plans on allowing 4 open cars again next season. Also it looks like 23XI is getting ready to make an announcement about a 3rd car.

Does anyone else realize that if they don't get an injunction there isn't even enough spots for the 3 23XI cars and even 2 Front Row ones?

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40-4=36=what were we talking about again?
 
aunty dive said:
There are 40 total starting spots available.

Without an injunction, there will be 32 chartered cars in the field.
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Last I heard was 32 charters, 4 opens and a total of 36 cars in the field

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wi_racefan said:
Last I heard was 32 charters, 4 opens and a total of 36 cars in the field

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What happens if the injunction appeal is successful and those 4 charters come back to life?
 
I think the hardship argument just got a lot harder to make.

"So you're so hard up that you just added a 3rd team after having your request for injunction denied?".......

Didn't the judge say they should refile after they actually experienced hardship? Well expanding sure seems like the opposite of that.

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wi_racefan said:
I think the hardship argument just got a lot harder to make.

"So you're so hard up that you just added a 3rd team after having your request for injunction denied?".......

Didn't the judge say they should refile after they actually experienced hardship? Well expanding sure seems like the opposite of that.

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Pretty sure that is going to get brought up at the December 2nd appeal when they reconvene lol. SMH. I think 23XI might succeed in running Front Row out of the series if they keep going with their boneheaded ways.
 
StandOnIt said:
Pretty sure that is going to get brought up at the December 2nd appeal when they reconvene lol. SMH. I think 23XI might succeed in running Front Row out of the series if they keep going with their boneheaded ways.
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Yeah this one baffles me. At least go in there and claim hardship in that you are waiting to start the 3rd team because of the financial hardship incurred. They didn't need to announce crap yet.

I'm no lawyer, but this just seems like one of the dumbest moves you could have made.

I would of went in there "yeah we'd really like to announce a 3rd team, but we're struggling with the financial burden of getting enough sponsorship to run it as an open car". Who cares what your plan really is, that's the story I would have until the next hearing.

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They’ve been planning a third car for over a year, including application to purchase a charter from SHR, currently in abeyance.

I see no reason for any of us minimally informed observers to concern ourselves with the limits of their resources.

This dispute is centred around the long term future of the charter system.
 
wi_racefan said:
Yeah this one baffles me. At least go in there and claim hardship in that you are waiting to start the 3rd team because of the financial hardship incurred. They didn't need to announce crap yet.

I'm no lawyer, but this just seems like one of the dumbest moves you could have made.

I would of went in there "yeah we'd really like to announce a 3rd team, but we're struggling with the financial burden of getting enough sponsorship to run it as an open car". Who cares what your plan really is, that's the story I would have until the next hearing.

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They should have at least waited until after the December 2nd hearing date lol. Could be they gave up and are throwing in the towel or maybe they enjoy shooting themselves in the foot. :idunno:
 
Does it seem like 23XI/FRM shot themselves in the foot here? They'll run as an open team and bleed even more of the precious money/power in the sport they so desired. They must be really confident in their legal case and this ending up finishing in their favor, but that could be years down the road....
 
StandOnIt said:
Nope, that was Hendricks excuse as to why they modified their hood louvers. Nascar didn't buy it.
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That would still indicate NASCAR doesn't inspect the parts, at least not between the suppliers and the teams. Otherwise, it would have caught the incorrect ones and they wouldn't have reached Hendrick.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That would still indicate NASCAR doesn't inspect the parts, at least not between the suppliers and the teams. Otherwise, it would have caught the incorrect ones and they wouldn't have reached Hendrick.
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From the little I heard about it was using the standard manufacturing processes it wasn't really possible to produce a part to the drawing. So basically chevy was asking for the impossible

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