Chevrolet next year?

Formerjackman said:
There is a reason why a couple of the DuPont/Axalta schemes are iconic, and this one won't EVER be. Also keep in mind there no real consumer component to this sponsorship. The "customer" is body shops and auto body suppliers, and they are going to be far more impressed by a flashy paint scheme then a white car with an a big A on the hood.
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Byron fans watching at home and in the stands won't be. Pretty sure they aren't impressed by a 25 year old paint scheme by a company that doesn't exist anymore.
 
StandOnIt said:
Yeah it's called the Ti-ota, 4 door Cup commuter car, with a two seater in Xfinity grace period. Don't throw rocks living in a glass house. ;)
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WE'll slap a decal on it, and make ya happy. At least the nameplate is alive. Chevy apparently doesn't care enough to bring anything to market that could suffice...but, hey, let's go to Lemans through the backdoor.
 
StandOnIt said:
Byron fans watching at home and in the stands won't be. Pretty sure they aren't impressed by a 25 year old paint scheme by a company that doesn't exist anymore.
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The Petty/STP scheme is more than twice that old, and people are still rockin it. Axalta carried over a modified version of the Dupont Fire and Flames scheme, so it neither comes from a company that doesn't exist anymore nor is it 25 years old. Just a stray question, if you walk into a paint store, how often do you see them advertising white? A steak house doesn't advertise how good their water tastes.
 
Revman said:
WE'll slap a decal on it, and make ya happy. At least the nameplate is alive. Chevy apparently doesn't care enough to bring anything to market that could suffice...but, hey, let's go to Lemans through the backdoor.
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Well, not that long ago, Chevy had 4-5 cars that were or could be eligible, but with the market rapidly moving away from sedans/coupes in the market segment Chevy sells in, combined with the clueless idiot that runs General Motors, we have what we have. Many times in NASCAR's long and winding history, they have bent their own rules to keep manufacturers in the game, and this is just another one. I don't like that Chevy has gotten itself in the position they are in, and I don't think it is tenable long term as far as NASCAR is concerned, but hopefully it is just a bridge to the next chapter. Let's not be all morally superior when Toyota gets to compete with an engine type (pushrod V8) that they have never had in a single one of their passenger vehicles. As for the Garage 56 thing, I never really got the point either, but the fans sure seemed to love, so I guess it served its purpose. It's not like Chevy hadn't already had a winning presence in the race for the last 25 straight years, and sporadically before that, going all the way back to the 1960's.
 
Formerjackman said:
The Petty/STP scheme is more than twice that old, and people are still rockin it. Axalta carried over a modified version of the Dupont Fire and Flames scheme, so it neither comes from a company that doesn't exist anymore nor is it 25 years old. Just a stray question, if you walk into a paint store, how often do you see them advertising white? A steak house doesn't advertise how good their water tastes.
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Yea I mean I still see folks rocking Goodwrench gear. An iconic paint scheme will stand the test of time imo
 
Revman said:
WE'll slap a decal on it, and make ya happy. At least the nameplate is alive. Chevy apparently doesn't care enough to bring anything to market that could suffice...but, hey, let's go to Lemans through the backdoor.
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Seeing the cars are all the same I wouldn’t care if Toyota called their car a RAV4, Ford could have an Escape & Chevy could call theirs the Citation X11
 
Formerjackman said:
The Petty/STP scheme is more than twice that old, and people are still rockin it. Axalta carried over a modified version of the Dupont Fire and Flames scheme, so it neither comes from a company that doesn't exist anymore nor is it 25 years old. Just a stray question, if you walk into a paint store, how often do you see them advertising white? A steak house doesn't advertise how good their water tastes.
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Tough pill to swallow, but DuPont is no more. Axalta who has been around since 1866 they swallowed them up. Jeff Gordon retired from driving years ago. He wears Axalta and GM garb now.
 
AlTerego said:
Seeing the cars are all the same I wouldn’t care if Toyota called their car a RAV4, Ford could have an Escape & Chevy could call theirs the Citation X11
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I don't agree that they are all the same.....aero and engine development--while a smaller factor than once was, still exist.
 
StandOnIt said:
Tough pill to swallow, but DuPont is no more. Axalta who has been around since 1866 they swallowed them up. Jeff Gordon retired from driving years ago. He wears Axalta and GM garb now.
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DuPont is very much alive and well, as is it's performance coatings spin-off, Axalta. Frankly, I'd be perfectly fine if Axalta chose not to revisit Fire and Flames or the Rainbow, but they DO need to do is come up with a scheme that is as visually stunning as its predecessors were. Every scheme they have done with Byron EXCEPT the ones that are newer takes of Fire and Flames has been visual vomit
 
You are confused.
Global alternative asset manager The Carlyle Group L.P. (NASDAQ: CG) has completed its acquisition of DuPont Performance Coatings for $4.9 billion. The company will be renamed Axalta Coating Systems, and the investment was primarily funded with equity from Carlyle Partners V and Carlyle Europe Partners III.
 
StandOnIt said:
You are confused.
Global alternative asset manager The Carlyle Group L.P. (NASDAQ: CG) has completed its acquisition of DuPont Performance Coatings for $4.9 billion. The company will be renamed Axalta Coating Systems, and the investment was primarily funded with equity from Carlyle Partners V and Carlyle Europe Partners III.
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Not confused at all. DuPont spun off the Performance Coatings business in a deal engineered by Carlyle. DuPont and Axalta are separate companies, but both still exist. I'm not really sure what this has to do with the fact that the paint schemes on the 24 car have gone steadily downhill since Axalta was spun. Evidently someone higher up the DuPont food chain was responsible for approving paint schemes, and that good taste was lost to the new company.
 
Mispeedway15 said:
The Malibu still exists. Personally I'd rather see it branded as a Cadillac CT5, that'd look sick on a stock car. Also the Blackwing edition still runs a 6.2L Supercharged V8
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Should be an easy switch if they pick the Malibu, but my choice would be the 2 door Caddy.
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They say they are re-designing it for 25
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Mispeedway15 said:
The Malibu still exists. Personally I'd rather see it branded as a Cadillac CT5, that'd look sick on a stock car. Also the Blackwing edition still runs a 6.2L Supercharged V8
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I don't think the malibu will be around for long. When I bought my blazer in September they told me they thought they may received their last one and currently we're taking order on new ones. Seems like GM wants to push the cars to the Buick and Caddy brands
 
Formerjackman said:
Not confused at all. DuPont spun off the Performance Coatings business in a deal engineered by Carlyle. DuPont and Axalta are separate companies, but both still exist. I'm not really sure what this has to do with the fact that the paint schemes on the 24 car have gone steadily downhill since Axalta was spun. Evidently someone higher up the DuPont food chain was responsible for approving paint schemes, and that good taste was lost to the new company.
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Lololol apparently they don't know what a spinoff is given that they posted something that completely reinforced exactly what you said.

Why does anyone care about the brand of sedan that doesn't exist which winds up being used as a promotional tool here? We all know the car being raced is functionally the same as everyone else's in terms of the chassis. They might as well just list them by OEM in the same way that other series do in racing. Nobody cares if a template late model or Top Fuel Dragster or Indycar doesn't pretend to be a street car.
 
virtualbalboa said:
Why does anyone care about the brand of sedan that doesn't exist which winds up being used as a promotional tool here?
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@Revman (and probably others) is still expecting a resemblance to stock cars in a so-called 'stock car' series. And the (obsolete) branding requirement is still in the rules.
 
wi_racefan said:
I don't think the malibu will be around for long. When I bought my blazer in September they told me they thought they may received their last one and currently we're taking order on new ones. Seems like GM wants to push the cars to the Buick and Caddy brands
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That might be a hint that they go with the Caddy for Nascar if they plan on discontinuing the Malibu.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
@Revman (and probably others) is still expecting a resemblance to stock cars in a so-called 'stock car' series. And the (obsolete) branding requirement is still in the rules.
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It probably only exists in the rules still for the intent of having something available to threaten teams with selective enforcement over or because they were too lazy to remove it.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
@Revman (and probably others) is still expecting a resemblance to stock cars in a so-called 'stock car' series. And the (obsolete) branding requirement is still in the rules.
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I know it is hard to believe, but some of us are interested in cars, keep up with the trends, and believe it or not we hang out on racing forums. We wade thru the casuals and the haters, the resident trolls, and have a surprisingly good time most days.
 
I think the Malibu is already gone. The only car Chevrolet still has is the Corvette.
 
MRM said:
I think the Malibu is already gone. The only car Chevrolet still has is the Corvette.
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They still show it as a 25 model on the website and I saw a few dealers selling 25 models. It appears to still be the same interior as I had in my 16
 
Cadillac like it or not is becoming the new Motorsport badge for GM. Endurance racing, now F1..so why not NASCAR? I compare it to BMW, upscale performance sedans backed by a racing presence. The NASCAR illustrators are having a blast with their own "what would it look like" renders.
 
Ford 222 said:
Forgive me please if I’ve missed it but what is Chevrolet going to race next year with the Camaro not being in production? Corvette? Suburban? Seriously, I’ve probably missed it.
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Cadillac
 
Hawaii808 said:
Cadillac like it or not is becoming the new Motorsport badge for GM. Endurance racing, now F1..so why not NASCAR? I compare it to BMW, upscale performance sedans backed by a racing presence. The NASCAR illustrators are having a blast with their own "what would it look like" renders.
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In a span of 20 years, the Cadillac V-brand has become the face of performance for GM. It would be fitting. Already see it in WEC, IMSA, and F1.

Would be neat to see the transition.
 
I wouldn't hold my breath for Caddy to replace Chevy in NASCAR. The demographics don't work in terms of sales.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
@Revman (and probably others) is still expecting a resemblance to stock cars in a so-called 'stock car' series. And the (obsolete) branding requirement is still in the rules.
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NASCAR has lost its way with regard to the fact that....as great as the drivers think they are....they are nothing if they don't have a car to drive. That car....as I have always said....is more an expression of the brand that an actual example of the brand. This should stimulate brand loyalty and competition, but in today's world, it somehow fails to do so in most instances. I won't let it go, however, because I don't care about what the drivers had for breakfast nor do I care about how stressed out their girlfriends and wives are on the pit box. I like cars. Sue me.
 
Hawaii808 said:
Cadillac like it or not is becoming the new Motorsport badge for GM. Endurance racing, now F1..so why not NASCAR? I compare it to BMW, upscale performance sedans backed by a racing presence. The NASCAR illustrators are having a blast with their own "what would it look like" renders.
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A luxury brand for NASCAR? Been there done that. Called IMSA GTD...Lexus for Toyota.....what about Ford.....Lincoln? LOL.
 
Revman said:
A luxury brand for NASCAR? Been there done that. Called IMSA GTD...Lexus for Toyota.....what about Ford.....Lincoln? LOL.
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Lincoln Hytec Town Car... It was a Mark VII. Lincoln was used in SCCA Racing for a few years.

It's nothing special, but you associate Chevrolet with motorsports first in NASCAR. Cadillac would be a shift in marketing the brand.
 
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