23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

I'm not an owner but how important are guaranteed starting spots these days? Only Talladega and Daytona have more than 40 cars showing up. I assume qualifying for those would still be done on speed. Everywhere else, get the hauler there and you're good to go.
 
I'm not an owner but how important are guaranteed starting spots these days? Only Talladega and Daytona have more than 40 cars showing up. I assume qualifying for those would still be done on speed. Everywhere else, get the hauler there and you're good to go.
That's because the charter system made it so it wasn't economically feasible to run as an open car. It's been said even if you win a race, outside of daytona, it's possible you would still end up losing money as a open team
 
That's because the charter system made it so it wasn't economically feasible to run as an open car. It's been said even if you win a race, outside of daytona, it's possible you would still end up losing money as a open team
I'd imagine being guaranteed a starting spot is also used for leveraging a sponsor.
 
That's because the charter system made it so it wasn't economically feasible to run as an open car. It's been said even if you win a race, outside of daytona, it's possible you would still end up losing money as a open team
I'd agree if NASCAR was talking about changing the wsy charter teams get paid vs. open cars. That's where the economic challenge is for opens. Charter teams are guaranteed a bigger slice of the pie. If only the starting spots are taken away but the payouts don't change, there's minimal effect on the chartered teams (and the opens are still screwed).
 
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NASCAR included the guaranteed starting spot language in its Charter Agreement and demanded teams sign it.

Looks like a nothingburger to me.
 
Collusive behaviour … threats … boycott … coercion.

Them’s fightin’ words. Could be either side using this language.
 
NASCAR putting the guaranteed starting position for Charter Teams in jeopardy? An attempt to hurt the (I believe) unspoken support for 23XI and FRR by threatening a valuable aspect of having a Charter? Divide and concur much NASCAR?
 
NASCAR putting the guaranteed starting position for Charter Teams in jeopardy? An attempt to hurt the (I believe) unspoken support for 23XI and FRR by threatening a valuable aspect of having a Charter? Divide and concur much NASCAR?
According to post #2768, Polk was trying to organize boycotts of qualifying among other things. Taking away the guaranteed starting spot would eliminate that. This guy doesn't need to be in the sport. He's a loose cannon.
 
Again proving that Hamlin, Jordan, Polk, and Front Riw have been in the wrong the entire time. Some people should really find a sport they don't actively hate and root against the success of.
 
Again proving that Hamlin, Jordan, Polk, and Front Riw have been in the wrong the entire time. Some people should really find a sport they don't actively hate and root against the success of.
Just because someone doesn't kiss the ass of the people running NASCAR, doesn't mean they hate it lmao. This makes you sound the same way supporters of a certain person sound.. just saying.
 
Just because someone doesn't kiss the ass of the people running NASCAR, doesn't mean they hate it lmao. This makes you sound the same way supporters of a certain person sound.. just saying.
The humble benevolent dictatorship has always expected and demanded the asskissing and almost absolute loyalty.
 
After Denny has been running his mouth for months, he's done a 180 and is on his Nascar humanitarian tour now. (his lawyers told him to ( s.t.f.u. )
Well, that's what lawyers get paid for. Regardless of the validity of his claims, he should have shut up the moment the paperwork was filed. At least NASCAR has that much on its side - knowing when to keep its collective mouth shut.
 
Just because someone doesn't kiss the ass of the people running NASCAR, doesn't mean they hate it lmao. This makes you sound the same way supporters of a certain person sound.. just saying.
Reminds me of the " 'Mericuh! Love it or leave it!" crowd. Any institution can have problems. Should they just be ignored? Why do some view attempts to fix problems as hatred?
 
Reminds me of the " 'Mericuh! Love it or leave it!" crowd. Any institution can have problems. Should they just be ignored? Why do some view attempts to fix problems as hatred?
It reminds me of biting the hand that feeds ya. Polk sabotaging the talks and Hamlin publicly admitting that is what they did, all it takes are a couple of team owners saying that is so in a court of law. Ya think Nascar pulled this out of thin air with no evidence of it happening?
 
It reminds me of biting the hand that feeds ya. Polk sabotaging the talks and Hamlin publicly admitting that is what they did, all it takes are a couple of team owners saying that is so in a court of law. Ya think Nascar pulled this out of thin air with no evidence of it happening?
Is it illegal?
 
Like I have said, I am of two thoughts:

1. NASCAR IS an illegal monopoly.

2. Filing this lawsuit was moronic and could lead to a split in the sport, which would be catastrophic.

I don’t know how you fix the underlying problems in stock car racing but being a bull in a china shop ain’t it. In an ideal world, NASCAR would be controlled by the chartered teams who are investing money into the sport, not a single family but I don’t know how to get there.
 
Like I have said, I am of two thoughts:

1. NASCAR IS an illegal monopoly.

2. Filing this lawsuit was moronic and could lead to a split in the sport, which would be catastrophic.

I don’t know how you fix the underlying problems in stock car racing but being a bull in a china shop ain’t it. In an ideal world, NASCAR would be controlled by the chartered teams who are investing money into the sport, not a single family but I don’t know how to get there.
As I have said many many times. Nascar is a sole proprietorship company. Yeah, let's talk investment in the sport. 23XI and Front row have some cars equipment and a building that is theirs offset by sponsor money, and prize money. What they have done is spend money to take advantage of the potential that Nascar has provided, with wholly owned racing facilities, covered garages, bleachers for the fans, utilities etc. maintenance and upkeep that they don't pay a dime for, that comes from Nascar's cut.

I've been a sub contractor. The money I spent was to make money off of the opportunity I was given. These guys are trying to act like it is their right to do whatever they want.
 
As I have said many many times. Nascar is a sole proprietorship company.

You may have said it many times, but repetition doesn't make it any more true. NASCAR does not classify itself as a sole proprietorship, and the federal government certainly doesn't either. In a sole proprietorship, the owner has no legal separation from the business. Sole proprietorships do not have a CEO, a CFO, a board of directors, and so on.

This is blatantly incorrect.
 
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