PRIME broadcast: now that’s a winner!

Charlie Spencer said:
If a sport wants to continue and grow, it has to go where the potential new fans are. Be that streaming, TikTok, or whatever comes down the pipe in the next seven years, it's not on traditional cable. The demographics for the Amazon races so far say that service is drawing more young potential new fans than Fox did this year.
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Like a broken record. That works if you believe it, but like I said I have been listening to that for over 15 years. It looks like the young age group deal is B.S. to me. The demographics have held pretty steady for years and crowd size and viewership WAS growing. I must be confused, cable stations are available to me and I don't have cable anymore lol.
 
HoneyBadger said:
I also wish NASCAR would just produce all of the races in house and distribute the races to their partners instead.

They’ve done an incredible job these past three races.
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NEP, Game Creek Video and SVG are the live production companies handling the chores. FOX and NBC jump in when they are the sponsor. AMAZON sub contracts the services out.
 
Blaze said:
Before the 2000s you literally had to look up what channel the races were on. Could be CBS, could be ESPN, could be TNN, ABC, TBS, etc. Like from week to week. We changed from that. Sometimes change is good.
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Tough to look in the TV guide wasn't it?
 
StandOnIt said:
Personally, One thing that afflicts many people of all ages is that they don't like change. When I heard about all of the flipping Nascar Cup was going to put viewers thru, that is the first thing I thought of. Doesn't matter how good the production is or how many bells and whistles they blow or even offering it for free, there are some people that won't take the trouble to jump thru the hoops of change.
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Agreed. I made a career of having to implement technological changes every few years for people who sometimes didn't want them. Hell, I wish I could still get a car with manual windows and door locks and a front bench seat and a little vent door down by my feet and a damn heat / air system with physical controls I could adjust without having to look at them.

But change is inevitable. TV networks and auto manufacturers are going to deliver what gets them the largest profit. Usually that means catering to the majority and abandoning those segments of the market that are no longer profitable, or catering to the minority and charging them more for the privilege. The rest of us can gripe and drag our feet, but that's not going to stop it. 'Adapt or die.'
 
Once again I don't buy the end of cable stations. I have them because they have been assimilated into streaming packages. Some will probably be gulped up by the 1% ers, but so will streaming packages in their quest to control more and more and charge more and more. It's pretty boring actually IMO.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Agreed. I made a career of having to implement technological changes every few years for people who sometimes didn't want them. Hell, I wish I could still get a car with manual windows and door locks and a front bench seat and a little vent door down by my feet and a damn heat / air system with physical controls I could adjust without having to look at them.

But change is inevitable. TV networks and auto manufacturers are going to deliver what gets them the largest profit. Usually that means catering to the majority and abandoning those segments of the market that are no longer profitable, or catering to the minority and charging them more for the privilege. The rest of us can gripe and drag our feet, but that's not going to stop it. 'Adapt or die.'
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My 1969 Fairlane 500 fastback wouldn't start last year. Upon my own investigation, it was the distributor rotor. I changed it ,
$11.50 later, she fired right up.
My 2013 F150 wouldn't start in April, 10 different codes, numerous troubleshooting techniques, and beyond me. $350.00 at my mechanic.. For a Fuse 27 fiasco and fuel pump relay(5.0 Coyote engine)
When a laptop is the main tool for troubleshooting a vehicle, that is a problem for me. Simple is better. It worked for years and years.
 
Magicmiler said:
NEP, Game Creek Video and SVG are the live production companies handling the chores. FOX and NBC jump in when they are the sponsor. AMAZON sub contracts the services out.
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Not true.

Fox and NBC have their own cameras and cameramen, their own producers, directors and what not. Game Creek and NASCAR assists heavily.

There’s a reason there’s such a massive difference between Fox and everyone else.

Prime, TNT and CW are all coming out of the same building. And I think NASCAR might be handling NBC too.
 
Magicmiler said:
My 1969 Fairlane 500 fastback wouldn't start last year. Upon my own investigation, it was the distributor rotor. I changed it ,
$11.50 later, she fired right up.
My 2013 F150 wouldn't start in April, 10 different codes, numerous troubleshooting techniques, and beyond me. $350.00 at my mechanic.. For a Fuse 27 fiasco and fuel pump relay(5.0 Coyote engine)
When a laptop is the main tool for troubleshooting a vehicle, that is a problem for me. Simple is better. It worked for years and years.
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Yeah, I bought a Chevy Express van, simple machine for that reason. Not impressed with some of the new stuff having as many as 6 computers and taillights that cost over a thousand bucks to replace. A buddy has a Chevy pickup and that thing lives at the dealership. I think if you sneeze on it the check engine light comes on.
 
HoneyBadger said:
Not true.

Fox and NBC have their own cameras and cameramen, their own producers, directors and what not. Game Creek and NASCAR assists heavily.

There’s a reason there’s such a massive difference between Fox and everyone else.

Prime, TNT and CW are all coming out of the same building. And I think NASCAR might be handling NBC too.
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You are absolutely clueless. FOX Utilizes Cleatus 2 during their short tenure, NBC utilizes Peacock 3 during their stint..That's 2 trucks versus Game Creek, NEP & SVG ,each with at least 3 to 4 trucks. Not to mention NASCAR Productions, with 2 trucks. Aazon has no proprietary equipment. The equipment and operations are leased out race to race from NEP & SVG , thru Game Creek Video. The people , respective to each Network, are utilized for each race. The equipment is the same. It is just who is talented enough to reach the full potential of said tools available.I suggest you use your 'journalist' credentials and take a in depth tour of the Broadcast compound at your next Big Boy race.
I'll post pics from Loudon for you this September to show you the real deal.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Respectfully, I doubt your Fairlane has shoulder belts, air bags, ABS, cruise, A/C, FM radio, rear camera, or any other safety or convenience improvements we take for granted now.
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Didn't need them back then.Or now. We knew how to drive back then, and now.
It does have factory A/C & AM/FM Stereo..Rare for a 1969 Fairlane 500 fastback.
 
HoneyBadger said:
Amazon and TNT are NASCAR Productions in full. As is The CW.
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Like I said, Amazon has no proprietary equipment. Leased. TNT, leased. CW, also leased.
What corporations would sit on millions of dollars of assets, that are used for 6 to 7 weeks per year for live television Productions?
That is why leasing is the most viable, profitable alternative.
That is why multi billion $ production companies exist.
You can slap a wrap on anything and call it yours, until the lease expires.
 
HoneyBadger said:
And all three are produced in full by NASCAR Productions.

I don’t know why FOX and NBC don’t do the same.
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I give up.
NASCAR Productions does not physically produce broadcasts in their 1 production truck.
There are up to 12 -15 different production trucks in each compound.
Maybe they're just for show.
Here's a couple of pics from my trip to Bristol . NBC , with G.C
V on the backsides. NASCAR Tech Institute truck .NEP. SVG .
Judge for yourself.
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Magicmiler said:
I never had to log in on a TV Guide.
Epherma is easy to navigate.
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Lol I'm saying that when they changed to the races being packaged into different parts of the season is better than when it was something you had to look up. You yourself said simple is better didn't you? Or is simple only better when it helps your argument? Oops.
 
HoneyBadger said:
The one thing I will say is, it’s easier to change channels than apps.
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I'm not even sure this is true anymore.

A Roku remote has a million less buttons than any cable/satellite remote. Couldn't be easier to figure out. You want to watch the NASCAR race? Pick whatever service it's on, and chances are, it'll be right there on top once the app loads. No need to scroll through the cable/satellite guide or search for it if you don't know the channel.

I never have to log into my various streaming apps after the initial logins when I first signed up. The Roku interface is simple and extremely easy to navigate for anyone of any age with virtually no learning curve. Wanna switch to a different streaming service? Home button, arrow down/over, hit OK. New app loads. Not as quick as simply changing the channel, but definitely just as easy. I can get from YoutubeTV to Prime with a few clicks and a matter of seconds, and the NASCAR race is always front and center. Just hit OK and watch.

My only gripe is that the individual apps (YTTV, Netflix, Hulu, ESPN, MAX, Paramount, FloRacing, etc) all vary in quality, with slight differences between how they operate. That, to me, is the only reason why I would recommend cable/satellite. But between all my streaming subscriptions, I'm still paying less than I was paying for cable 10 years ago, with more stuff to watch. That's a clear win IMO
 
2 Sweet said:
I'm not even sure this is true anymore.

A Roku remote has a million less buttons than any cable/satellite remote. Couldn't be easier to figure out. You want to watch the NASCAR race? Pick whatever service it's on, and chances are, it'll be right there on top once the app loads. No need to scroll through the cable/satellite guide or search for it if you don't know the channel.

I never have to log into my various streaming apps after the initial logins when I first signed up. The Roku interface is simple and extremely easy to navigate for anyone of any age with virtually no learning curve. Wanna switch to a different streaming service? Home button, arrow down/over, hit OK. New app loads. Not as quick as simply changing the channel, but definitely just as easy. I can get from YoutubeTV to Prime with a few clicks and a matter of seconds, and the NASCAR race is always front and center. Just hit OK and watch.

My only gripe is that the individual apps (YTTV, Netflix, Hulu, ESPN, MAX, Paramount, FloRacing, etc) all vary in quality, with slight differences between how they operate. That, to me, is the only reason why I would recommend cable/satellite. But between all my streaming subscriptions, I'm still paying less than I was paying for cable 10 years ago, with more stuff to watch. That's a clear win IMO
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I have an Apple TV, which is exponentially better than Roku, both the interface and the remote, and I still stand by what I said. Switching apps on Apple TV is 100x better than any other streaming device. In fact, most people having Roku is why I said what I said. It's a terrible interface.

After a week of cable or so, you memorize what channels you watch the most. Take DIRECTV, FS1 is 219, USA is 242, and FS2 is 618. If I'm watching a race and an NBA or WNBA game on ESPN (206), it's easy to just push the "PREV" button to go back and forth. DIRECTV even had side-by-side/picture-in-picture.

(I know YouTube TV has that but they intentionally exclude that from covering motorsports - it's only for literally every other sport in the world.)

"Less buttons" doesn't necessarily mean its better either. The minimalist approach of everything is actually why Gen-Z is LESS tech savvy than baby boomers. You'd be amazed how many of these kids go into a workforce and don't know how to use a keyboard or mouse and can't do basic things like use Microsoft Excel.


Taking away functionality, saying you're "streamlining the design" and calling it "innovation" is the same thing as NASCAR taking seats out of racetracks and calling it a facility "enhancement."
 
Magicmiler said:
I give up.
NASCAR Productions does not physically produce broadcasts in their 1 production truck.
There are up to 12 -15 different production trucks in each compound.
Maybe they're just for show.
Here's a couple of pics from my trip to Bristol . NBC , with G.C
V on the backsides. NASCAR Tech Institute truck .NEP. SVG .
Judge for yourself.
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I understand what you're saying, but your INITIAL assertion was that the production and everything else for all the races are the same. And it's not, which is why FOX's coverage is terrible compared to Amazon Prime (NASCAR), The CW (NASCAR), NBC Sports, FloRacing (FloSports and/or NASCAR), IndyCar on FOX (IMS Productions), F1 on ESPN (Sky/F1) and etc.

FOX even brings their NFL 4K cameras to the races, which is why the background is blurred when they're focusing on an individual person. Which is useless considering they distribute in 720p.



After watching the races on Prime Video, I wish NASCAR did handle production of ALL the races. Their production is superior to FOX and on par with NBC, if not better than NBC. Though I do like the technical coverage/graphics/presentation NBC has a lot.

The only thing FOX does that I like is the pit crew spotlight segments.
 
I hardly watch TV anymore since I had to switch away from cable. I had some shows I liked to watch, they came on at a certain time, and it was a no brainer to switch to their channels when they came on. With streaming they just dump a series into a folder with no rhyme or reason so there isn't any continuity. I got tired of having to clack around all over the place looking for something to watch, so I spend most of my time on the web watching amateur content creators on Youtube videos. Some creators I watch post their vids on certain days, so I know when and look forward to when they post.
 
StandOnIt said:
I hardly watch TV anymore since I had to switch away from cable. I had some shows I liked to watch, they came on at a certain time, and it was a no brainer to switch to their channels when they came on. With streaming they just dump a series into a folder with no rhyme or reason so there isn't any continuity. I got tired of having to clack around all over the place looking for something to watch, so I spend most of my time on the web watching amateur content creators on Youtube videos. Some creators I watch post their vids on certain days, so I know when and look forward to when they post.
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I miss "appointment viewing" honestly. When the shows came on at the same time for everyone, and everyone watched that night and talked about it the next day.

Now, the only "appointment television" we get is the NFL, the Caitlin Clark Experience, and The News.
 
HoneyBadger said:
I have an Apple TV, which is exponentially better than Roku, both the interface and the remote, and I still stand by what I said. Switching apps on Apple TV is 100x better than any other streaming device. In fact, most people having Roku is why I said what I said. It's a terrible interface.
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Interesting perspective. Care to elaborate?
 
HoneyBadger said:
When you use Apple TV, you'll understand.

The difference is night and day.
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I've never used it personally, but I've seen my buddy use it at his place. Nothing stood out to me.

I'm struggling to think of literally any improvement that could make Roku's interface any quicker or easier to handle. That's why I'm interested to hear your complaints.
 
2 Sweet said:
I've never used it personally, but I've seen my buddy use it at his place. Nothing stood out to me.

I'm struggling to think of literally any improvement that could make Roku's interface any quicker or easier to handle. That's why I'm interested to hear your complaints.
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Apple TV remote alone is worth it. It's so much faster.

Switching apps on Apple TV, you don't have to exit out of an app. You can double click, scroll home, open the other app. If you want to switch between two open apps, you just double click, and move between them.

It integrates so smoothly with iPhone too, whereas the Roku app was clunky and you had to watch commercials just to use the remote.

Roku has even floated a plan for Roku TVs where, if you're watching a DVD/Blu Ray, the Roku TV can interrupt your DVD to insert commercials. And understand this, if I watch a DVD and a commercial pops up, I'm throwing that TV through the window without first opening the window.

I left Roku when they refused to add HBO Max and Peacock.
 
HoneyBadger said:
Apple TV remote alone is worth it. It's so much faster.

Switching apps on Apple TV, you don't have to exit out of an app. You can double click, scroll home, open the other app. If you want to switch between two open apps, you just double click, and move between them.

It integrates so smoothly with iPhone too, whereas the Roku app was clunky and you had to watch commercials just to use the remote.

Roku has even floated a plan for Roku TVs where, if you're watching a DVD/Blu Ray, the Roku TV can interrupt your DVD to insert commercials. And understand this, if I watch a DVD and a commercial pops up, I'm throwing that TV through the window without first opening the window.

I left Roku when they refused to add HBO Max and Peacock.
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I will pay extra to not watch commercials. I am a baby boomer. I have no trouble with streaming. In fact I prefer it to antenna tv. CW and Prime are 100% better than Fox. I hope this continues with TNT and USA.
 
HoneyBadger said:
the Roku app was clunky and you had to watch commercials just to use the remote.

Roku has even floated a plan for Roku TVs where, if you're watching a DVD/Blu Ray, the Roku TV can interrupt your DVD to insert commercials. And understand this, if I watch a DVD and a commercial pops up, I'm throwing that TV through the window without first opening the window.

I left Roku when they refused to add HBO Max and Peacock.
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Umm....none of this is accurate lol

When is the last time you actually used a Roku device/TV?
 
BarneyB1 said:
I will pay extra to not watch commercials. I am a baby boomer. I have no trouble with streaming. In fact I prefer it to antenna tv. CW and Prime are 100% better than Fox. I hope this continues with TNT and USA.
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I don't think TNT's going to give us what Prime is in regards to limited interruptions. They were Commercial City when they had the "Summer Series."

TNT Sports is in trouble and needs more ad revenue to make up for losing the NBA. And their parent company, WB Discovery, is run by a complete doofus.

The coverage itself will be great because it's literally the exact same thing as Prime though.

A lot of the same dynamics apply to USA too. It's actually part of a separate company (Versance) that was spun off as a direct result of the crisis Comcast faced last fall with the collapse of MSNBC. Although, I think the likely long-term outcome here ends up being more races on NBC.
 
2 Sweet said:
Umm....none of this is accurate lol

When is the last time you actually used a Roku device/TV?
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Last week. All the TVs at work are Roku and it's a pain in the ass.

I have to log in to Prime Video, MASN and Ultra every single time I use those apps on those TVs.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

And it is 100% accurate that Roku does NOT support multitasking like Apple TV does.
 
HoneyBadger said:
Last week. All the TVs at work are Roku and it's a pain in the ass.

I have to log in to Prime Video, MASN and Ultra every single time I use those apps on those TVs.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

And it is 100% accurate that Roku does NOT support multitasking like Apple TV does.
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Could just be those idk. My cousin has a Roku TV and he stays logged in to his apps all the time.
 
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