Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

Revman said:
NOU care. You are watching. People watch the Super Bowl for the commercials. Obligatory stick and ball reference for ya.
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I try to watch one game a year. A lot of people do. Nobody watches the last playoff Nascar race. The ratings prove it year after year.
 
rd45usa said:
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I’m sure a playoff is paramount to NBC investing as much as they have in the stretch run of the Cup season. However, NASCAR’s playoff still isn’t really additive commercially to the extent that it is for other sports. NFL, NBA, etc. playoff expansion all adds games at the end of their respective seasons, meaning more tickets and more TV inventory to sell. Commercial considerations are more a factor than sporting competition these day. It’s happening right now with the men’s NCAA Tournament…it sounds increasingly likely it’ll expand from 68 to 76 teams in the coming weeks. Not because anyone actually thinks the 76th team can or should compete for a national title, but because they can bilk a few more bucks out of CBS and Turner.

Whether that’s a business model to aspire to is another thing.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I’m sure a playoff is paramount to NBC investing as much as they have in the stretch run of the Cup season. However, NASCAR’s playoff still isn’t really additive commercially to the extent that it is for other sports. NFL, NBA, etc. playoff expansion all adds games at the end of their respective seasons, meaning more tickets and more TV inventory to sell. Commercial considerations are more a factor than sporting competition these day. It’s happening right now with the men’s NCAA Tournament…it sounds increasingly likely it’ll expand from 68 to 76 teams in the coming weeks. Not because anyone actually thinks the 76th team can or should compete for a national title, but because they can bilk a few more bucks out of CBS and Turner.

Whether that’s a business model to aspire to is another thing.
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Again, it shows that what is good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.
 
StandOnIt said:
Huh? The playoffs by various other names and gimmicks has been going on for longer than a lot of the fans ages are. It isn't bringing them in. Nobody is excited about them but Revman. :idunno:
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My apologies, I thought I was still in the Tournament thread. I thought you were saying the tournament was unsuccessful before it had started, even though you explicitly said 'playoffs'.
 
StandOnIt said:
Isn't it watching little Scotty grow lol. Gawd I hated that Honey song he did.
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Nope, no 'little'.

Re: Honey - "One day when I was not at home, and she was there and all alone, the angels came."

Columnist Dave Barry once did a survey of most hated songs. 'Honey' didn't win ('Macarthur Park') but the line above did draw this reader comment:

"I hope it was the local chapter of Hell's Angels"

Another comment was that Bobby could bore a hole in his leg to let the sap out.
 
A whole lot of people fed up with this gimmick stuff on social media. Even the big voices, Pockrass for one, Gluck, and the NBc guy I forgot his name are asking for opinions about the format and hardly anybody is for this current playoff system. They are tired of the nonsense. The basketball thing is getting bombed also.
 
Alan Carbana I think I spelled it right is the NBC guy. There is some notable outrage out there. I don't know if we started the fire or have helped fuel it, but it is significant and can't be blown off like some people were trying to do.
 
StandOnIt said:
A whole lot of people fed up with this gimmick stuff on social media. Even the big voices, Pockrass for one, Gluck, and the NBc guy I forgot his name are asking for opinions about the format and hardly anybody is for this current playoff system. They are tired of the nonsense. The basketball thing is getting bombed also.
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Now we have a whole lot of people...WLOP. Welcome....MOU, SOU, WLOP.
 
StandOnIt said:
Alan Carbana I think I spelled it right is the NBC guy. There is some notable outrage out there. I don't know if we started the fire or have helped fuel it, but it is significant and can't be blown off like some people were trying to do.
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Notable outrage. Holy ****. Torches lit, and to the streets we go!!!!!!!!!
 
2 Sweet said:
Uh oh, you just introduced another acronym into Rev's world! Some of us, a lot of us, most of us, and now a whole lot. He's going to blow a gasket
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It's hilarious. So awesome.
 
StandOnIt said:
This means MOF in Revman speak.
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Mark needs to STFU. Seriously. I don't think that statistical analysis is his thing. He drove a race car. Very well. He does understand that at 60% roughly one out of every 2 fans will be pissed, right? Nothing screams let it the **** alone more than this data. NASCAR fans are all over the board....and ready to bitch as soon as something doesn't provide at photo finish. MOU BTW.....and it isn't my speak, it is the "voice" of RF....kinda, not really.
 
Revman said:
Mark needs to STFU. Seriously. I don't think that statistical analysis is his thing. He drove a race car. Very well. He does understand that at 60% roughly one out of every 2 fans will be pissed, right? Nothing screams let it the **** alone more than this data. NASCAR fans are all over the board....and ready to bitch as soon as something doesn't provide at photo finish. MOU BTW.....and it isn't my speak, it is the "voice" of RF....kinda, not really.
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Maybe you need to STFU. Nobody is forcing you to be miserable. Go find a yota to drool about. This thread isn't going to miraculously disappear. Mark Martin is a very popular driver, people listen to him. They don't you.
 
Revman said:
I don't think that statistical analysis is his thing. He drove a race car. Very well. He does understand that at 60% roughly one out of every 2 fans will be pissed, right?
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I don't think statistical analysis is yours either. 60% is closer to 2 out 3 fans than 40% is to 1 out of 2. Plus you assume that ALL of the remaining 40% will be unhappy. Some will not care what format is used. Indeed, you've posted you don't care what format is used. But you're going to insist on sticking with a system than less than 10% want to keep?

So Mark is isn't an expert in statistics. Neither is the majority of the NASCAR fan base. His opinion is just as valid as any of ours.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Plus you assume that ALL of the remaining 40% will be unhappy.
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...and then there is the assumption that the 60% will really be happy with a full season championship. BTW....what is the sample size? Gluck is notorious for just throwing something out there, and drawing conclusions without any kind of validity and reliability assessment. Jeff is a great guy, so it's not click bait, but the case could be made if he had an agenda. I know you know all of this though.
Charlie Spencer said:
His opinion is just as valid as any of ours.
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I do not agree. He is a former driver, and a member of the Hall of Fame. He is a steward of this sport, and his ****** opinion doesn't sit well. His opinion carries a lot of weight.
 
This thing was an hour and a half long. You can see the date it was posted and the numbers for both.

 
Revman said:
Gluck is notorious for just throwing something out there, and drawing conclusions without any kind of validity and reliability assessment. Jeff is a great guy, so it's not click bait, but the case could be made if he had an agenda. I know you know all of this though.
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Over 376 thousand viewed Gluck's pole. That is a significant number. Jeff made his pole after Mark Martin's pole came out. Jeff has a younger audience with 300 thousand followers.

There were the older fan age questions. Mark thought it was only the older fans because yeah, his almost 400 thousand followers tend to be older and that might be only an older fan concern. Younger fans have never seen a non championship chase type season it has been so long ago.

So Jeff did his survey with the younger group and the full season format came out as a decisive winner also with almost the same percentages in his younger age group pole.
 
StandOnIt said:
Over 376 thousand viewed Gluck's pole. That is a significant number. Jeff made his pole after Mark Martin's pole came out. Jeff has a younger audience with 300 thousand followers.

There were the older fan age questions. Mark thought it was only the older fans because yeah, his almost 400 thousand followers tend to be older and that might be only an older fan concern. Younger fans have never seen a non championship chase type season it has been so long ago.

So Jeff did his survey with the younger group and the full season format came out as a decisive winner also with almost the same percentages in his younger age group pole.
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A data point measures what it is supposed to (validity), and is consistent (reliability). Jeff's survey doesn't address either...and he doesn't pretend that it does. Jeff doesn't care because it becomes a talking point inspired by him. He isn't trying to make change based on his data. Jeff just wants it to be a discussion starter because that increases his exposure...and honestly, helps stimulate interest in the sport. Mark's stuff is the same. This isn't how you make decisions, but that doesn't stop NASCAR usually, so you've got a shot. Meaningful data collection tools cost money. I hope that NASCAR has theirs, and isn't relying on this kind of informal stuff, but I wonder.
 


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I have thought this a few times this year... we really are having a great regular season championship battle. Byron/Larson/Hamlin have been super close for the point lead with Elliot now in the mix as well after earning points galore at Atlanta. I was cynical at first but stage points are really fun for me now. Just wish we did this 36 races not 26.

It is a shame they are not talking about the regular season championship battle more.
 
With about half of the game show gimmicks gone and using a more realistic points system at this point, it's plain to see the possibilities of a close enough points drama to keep the media and fans satisfied. .
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