I suspect this will be what happens. Both permanent charters and remove the "you can't sue us" clause. Or at least lawyer the crap out of that clause so options are very limited. If NASCAR comes up with a plan to make the 36 Charters permanent but you have 24hrs to sign, done deal. Only flaw in the ointment...NASCAR doesn't want these two teams to participate under any circumstances. They done. Leave and don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya!
And Kelly & JR would except one for the exact price JGR, HMS, RFK, & RCR paid for them initially.
That would be along the lines of best outcome possible. When after months and months of negotiations, Nascar drew a line in the sand. It should have been from that point forward those teams were unchartered. Then they could have gone to the courts with their claims. The other teams that signed would have received more money while this court battle is going on.
For bold prediction reasons I need that to say Jr Motorsports, but I'm not going to try to figure it out by size of the redaction.
No, I believe there would still be 4 open slots, which would likely be taken most every race by the non-chartered teams from the plantiff’s teams. But there is no reason for NASCAR to award 4 additional charters just because they could (theoretically) due to availability. More likely this is some team wanting to add an extra chartered slot to their current 2 or 3 car stable. I’m not so confident that it’s JRM wanting to get into Cup. They’d have to have some stout $$$ backing it, which of course is possible. If Reddick bolts he could start a conga line toward a new multicar team!
How many charters are there since NASCAR vaporized the ones held by 23xi and FRM, 30 or 32? Either way, adding four will result in either 6 or 4 open slots.
Gibbs and Hendrick are the only teams with 4 charters … baked into the original allocation.
Well actually Gibbs wasn't given 4 charters in the original allocation. The charter to run the #19 was purchased from the shutdown #55 team. So I believe they had 4 charters in year 1, however they were given 3 and purchased the 4th.
I’m sure NASCAR will sit on those team’s “expired charters” until the cases are fully resolved. With other slots available to be offered, no need to “use” the abandoned ones until later, if ever. Pockrass earlier post indicating it would cost extra to add more charters, since they can’t further dilute the payments to existing teams with contracted charters, is IMO unlikely to discourage them if the team being added is considered a high quality option.
Yep, I believe it to be so also. Faced with black and white reality, he let them have their cake and eat it too.
Guess if that would happen, we would go to GWC Overtime finish.
I still don't understand how setting the charters up this way benefitted NASCAR more than giving the teams the charters outright. But then I've always thought Adam and Eve were set up to fail.
For the umteenth time. Teams could sell or sub let charters to whomever they choose, take the car and race it anywhere they want including starting their own series would be a couple offhand. There would be no reason to have a charter if that was so. It's basically a contract for contractors. Here is what we pay, how we pay, percentages of this and that, how we want our brand represented etc. You sign on to do X number of races for the 7 years of contract length. It's a closed membership, the charter is yours to sell if you want out to an approved by Nascar buyer. If you don't sign the charter reverts back to Nascar and they can give/sell to interested parties.
Maybe they will split the money among the teams that signed the charter agreement.
23xi & the other dude will NEVER get a charter again. NASCAR will burn the whole thing down before that happens. I believe this is similar to the CART/IRL split but slightly modified. Be only one series to come out of it and it won't be NASCAR as we know it now.
Absolutely no bias here.
That isn't my question. You're explaining HOW it works. My question is, WHY set up the charters to expire instead of giving the charters directly to the teams. Everything you've said could be accomplished with the charters fully in the teams' hands, and more easily.
Maybe if you had the ability to be more specific instead of always moving the goalposts you would be able to explain your endless "why" questions you continue to ask.
Some of why the teams are suing? They want to take the car that Nascar developed and compete elsewhere with it. They want the courts to force Nascar to allow the teams to race on tracks that Nascar owns. This is all behind their monopoly claims.
Well, for one thing, we wouldn't be looking at a lawsuit that has charter ownership at its core. Seeing charters taken away with no compensation can't look good to potential new manufacturers, or to owners NASCAR would really like to come on board (JRM).
And we're back to a fundamental, irreconcilable disagreement. Some take the issues stated in the lawsuit at face value. Some see them as window dressing, with charter ownership as the only goal.
Once again, besides that, the Charters gave the teams something of value if they left the sport....But Nascar has to approve who they are selling them to.
