2015 NASCAR TAILSPINS

As some have said here before, if you don't like this chase, just wait for the next one. I still don't think this format will last beyond 2017 or so, especially if the new title sponsor doesn't like it and if it keeps posting disappointing TV ratings for Fox and NBC. Besides, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and Brian France has consistently shown he can't leave the chase alone for more than three or four years without overhauling it.
 
They are loud. They go fast. It's fun. It's exciting. It is the greatest freakin' sport on the planet. You want to bitch? You don't want to go to races? Fine with me. I'll have a place to put my TRD backpack, and when Kyle Busch takes freakin' Fontana again, my ass will be right here telling you about it for a full year, but you won't be here because you don't like NASCAR anymore.
 
Kyle18fan said:
I kinda wanted Newman to win ............... just for giggles
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...but he didn't because not even Brian France can **** up the greatest sport on the planet. The fastest car won the Cup--in spite of the stupidity of the Chase. I contend that Brian France can make a rule that you have to run with your dick hanging out of the window, and the fastest car will still win. Commence references to small spoilers, flared side skirts, and retractable aero devices, and by God, if one of you doesn't reference Kyle Busch's small appendage thereby giving him a drag advantage, I am going to be pissed.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
For those of you who cant, or dont, want to use facebook.

http://sportsandgoal.com/nascar/poll-did-the-chase-ruin-nascar/

Poll - Did the chase ruin NASCAR?
Yes : 82% with 4812 votes.
No: 18% with 1039 votes.
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Okay, these people are being over dramatic. Could the new Chase format use some tweaks? Yes, yes it could. However, did it ruin NASCAR? Um, where were these idiots in the 2014 season? I have seen some of the best racing in 2014, where drivers were actually fighting for positions instead of being content with a "good points day." I mean ffs, Newman pushed Kyle Larson out of the way to clinch that final 4th Championship Round spot going into Homestead! That, IMHO, is stock car racing.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Okay, these people are being over dramatic. Could the new Chase format use some tweaks? Yes, yes it could. However, did it ruin NASCAR? Um, where were these idiots in the 2014 season? I have seen some of the best racing in 2014, where drivers were actually fighting for positions instead of being content with a "good points day." I mean ffs, Newman pushed Kyle Larson out of the way to clinch that final 4th Championship Round spot going into Homestead! That, IMHO, is stock car racing.
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That's the problem. It didn't hurt the racing. Just the way they race and completely nullified the point system.

That's the main gripe.

I dont think anyone can argue that last year's racing was pretty good. But at the same time I dont think it was solely on how the new format was. The racing package had alot to do with it, too.

We'll see how these cars race under a different racing package this year.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Yeah but to win he would have had to win that race so........
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What ? Did I miss another rule ? I thought he just had to finish in front of the other three . 39th would have won him the championship ,if the others broke or wrecked . Am I wrong ? Stupid championship .
 
Revman said:
...but he didn't because not even Brian France can **** up the greatest sport on the planet. The fastest car won the Cup--in spite of the stupidity of the Chase. I contend that Brian France can make a rule that you have to run with your dick hanging out of the window, and the fastest car will still win. Commence references to small spoilers, flared side skirts, and retractable aero devices, and by God, if one of you doesn't reference Kyle Busch's small appendage thereby giving him a drag advantage, I am going to be pissed.
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Crap, you beat us to it ;)
 
SpeedPagan said:
Well, assuming that Sliced Bread still had that disastrous pit stop, Newman would only needed the other two drivers to DNF to clinch the title without winning. :)
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ted@economy said:
What ? Did I miss another rule ? I thought he just had to finish in front of the other three . 39th would have won him the championship ,if the others broke or wrecked . Am I wrong ? Stupid championship .
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K but I'm saying .... Harvick. Won the race... For Newman to have won he would have had to win.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I guess the ppl who like it r too busy NOT whining about it to post on Facebook lol
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NASCAR fans love to complain. This board is a perfect example. Post a positive thread and it'll get very few hits or comments. Post a negative thread and people are all over it. I'm only guessing that it's much the same on Facebook.

I created a Facebook account because someone wanted to send me pictures from a race that we went to together. Other than that, I've never really used it. People that I want to stay in touch with I call or email.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
NASCAR fans love to complain. This board is a perfect example. Post a positive thread and it'll get very few hits or comments. Post a negative thread and people are all over it. I'm only guessing that it's much the same on Facebook.

I created a Facebook account because someone wanted to send me pictures from a race that we went to together. Other than that, I've never really used it. People that I want to stay in touch with I call or email.
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I don't really get it... I know people can get along... they just choose not to lol

I am an admin for a group on Facebook that has 4'645 members... and surprisingly there is very few arguments or complaints or people whining like I see in here.... might be partly because we don't allow it... but NASCAR fans dont like rules anyway lol... I've actually been very surprised at how well those people get along. There are a few ppl that say stupid things every once in a while.. but I almost never see them act like some of the people in here
 
ChexOrWrex said:
@BobbyFord LOL

watch the race, f*ck the chase.
I attribute the great racing we saw to the cars, not to some nanny points system. This racing points system does not award the best driver over the whole season, therefore its a sham. End of story. And it cannot be related to stick & ball sports at all for reasons aforementioned in this forum hundreds of times.

The racing > the points system.

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Here is my Post. You will notice that I was answering a post made by Sliced bread.
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I can see why ppl dont like it... but its exciting and made for great racing.... which is really what we all want. Even after my driver got screwed out of a championship by this system I still like it.

I do as well and my driver got the short end of the stick also.

It seems the older I get, the people I know really don't like change and I wonder sometimes if that isn't because they don't want
to have to use their brain cells to much.
I have seen men put away their cell phones because they don't know how to use them and they resist learning. Heck when I need too learn to do something on these gadgets I just go for a walk and stop the first kid and let him show me. :)


Notice I said "people I know" and "I wonder sometimes if that isn't because they don't want to use their brain cells to much" So I didn't attribute the statement to ALL OP. And if you would read and comprehend you will notice I said " didn't want" which means they have a choice. ^That is NOT labeling them brain dead.
 
Pete:Team Penske said:
.... and I wonder sometimes if that isn't because they don't want
to have to use their brain cells to much.
I have seen men put away their cell phones because they don't know how to use them and they resist learning. Heck when I need too learn to do something on these gadgets I just go for a walk and stop the first kid and let him show me. :)
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I understand the system that's why I do not like it.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Well, assuming that Sliced Bread still had that disastrous pit stop, Newman would only needed the other two drivers to DNF to clinch the title without winning. :)
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Actually Newman was the Champion as long as he finished one spot ahead of the other 3 drivers.
Carl Edwards would have been champion if he had finished 1 spot ahead of Tony.
 
Way toooooooo much pre-race farting around, sing the song, say the prayer lets go racing. No they go on and on while the storm they knew about picks up steam and shuts them down!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah like hows that going to work out on a week night??????????????????.

The Chase just opens doors for guys to get into the big show that normally wouldn't, nothing wrong with that in my book. I think the Chase format will improve over time, NASCAR didn't get to where they are overnight.
 
Reck said:
That's the problem. It didn't hurt the racing. Just the way they race and completely nullified the point system.

That's the main gripe.

I dont think anyone can argue that last year's racing was pretty good. But at the same time I dont think it was solely on how the new format was. The racing package had alot to do with it, too.

We'll see how these cars race under a different racing package this year.
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Exactly, a driver can win 10 races prior to the new Chase format and then get eliminated in one of the early rounds because of incidents that he or she has no control over. To me that is just ridiculous and not fair. I also think the racing was pretty good last year, and that it was mostly because of the changes made to the cars. The CoT was a brick to drive, and NASCAR has made steady changes to get the cars to drive like they did prior to the CoT. Now that they have got the cars fun to drive again, how much you wanna bet they screw it up again.
 
I think that , if you took a poll , everyone on this board can live with the original chase , in it's original set up . It really just enhanced the end of the season and got everyone talking about the 10th to 12 th place drivers who are normally forgotten . This new double secret knockout elimination round does nothing but eliminate the chances of a Jimmie Johnson and enhance the chances of an AJ Almendinger . I just don't get that crap. And please , don't give me that stupid crap about making the drivers 'try harder' . Anyone who thinks they weren't already trying as hard as they could isn't a Nascar fan , IMO.
 
I really don't see the need to eliminate drivers from success 3/4 of the way through the season. You could eliminate the chase and go back to total points for the year wins it all BUT make winning a big deal like 50-100 extra points. That should make them go harder.
 
ted@economy said:
I think that , if you took a poll , everyone on this board can live with the original chase , in it's original set up . It really just enhanced the end of the season and got everyone talking about the 10th to 12 th place drivers who are normally forgotten . This new double secret knockout elimination round does nothing but eliminate the chances of a Jimmie Johnson and enhance the chances of an AJ Almendinger . I just don't get that crap. And please , don't give me that stupid crap about making the drivers 'try harder' . Anyone who thinks they weren't already trying as hard as they could isn't a Nascar fan , IMO.
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What? How does it do that? It helps the guys who perform, the guys don't perform get the boot, pretty simple.
 
I have yet to see a poll from any source, showing that the majority of NASCAR fans like The Chase.
I expect to see a dramatic dip in ratings and attendance this coming season.
 
ted@economy said:
Please favor us with your list of drivers that don't try hard .
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I would tell you about a driver but I already got heck for saying something negative about him.. But I will Say this, when drivers admit they are cruising at the back and just doing enough to not lose the draft, I don't call that racing or going all out. I would describe it as a strategy to not get my car damaged and maybe luck into a win at the end. Junior himself said he wasn't going to race that way ever again.
 
BobbyFord said:
I have yet to see a poll from any source, showing that the majority of NASCAR fans like The Chase.
I expect to see a dramatic dip in ratings and attendance this coming season.
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Didn't say that I liked the chase Bobby . Just that , in it's original form , it was pretty meaningless . It didn't seem to cause any actual harm . This current monstrosity , that reseeds AJ Almendinger and Ryan Newman ahead of Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon , is criminal . ..edit , sorry ,I was thinking Denny Hamlin and writing AJ ...point is the same
 
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Pete:Team Penske said:
I would tell you about a driver but I already got heck for saying something negative about him.. But I will Say this, when drivers admit they are cruising at the back and just doing enough to not lose the draft, I don't call that racing or going all out. I would describe it as a strategy to not get my car damaged and maybe luck into a win at the end. Junior himself said he wasn't going to race that way ever again.
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So that would put drivers like Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart in that bunch too?
 
ted@economy said:
Didn't say that I liked the chase Bobby . Just that , in it's original form , it was pretty meaningless . It didn't seem to cause any actual harm . This current monstrosity , that reseeds AJ Almendinger and Ryan Newman ahead of Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon , is criminal .
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you're saying. It has pissed me off to the point that the sport, for me, is now only marginally entertaining.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
NASCAR fans love to complain.
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As someone relatively new to the sport (last 5 years) my two biggest takeaways of the fan base are 1) nicer than any of the other major sports fan bases and 2) they complain about everything.

The problem is that there's absolutely no youth movement in the sport. The average age demographic gets older by roughly half a year, every year. But every time you make a change to try and attract the youth movement, the older folks get pissed. It's a very, very, very difficult position for NASCAR to be in. This sport will probably die with its fan base. Literally. Of course, none of them would care. They'd sooner spend their last 15-20 years watching the sport they grew up with, even if it died with them.
 
The majority of younger people do not care about stock car racing. They never will, regardless of any attempted gimmick.
I took my son to Fontana and to LVMS. He fell asleep in the grandstands at both races.
 
Pete:Team Penske said:
I would tell you about a driver but I already got heck for saying something negative about him.. But I will Say this, when drivers admit they are cruising at the back and just doing enough to not lose the draft, I don't call that racing or going all out. I would describe it as a strategy to not get my car damaged and maybe luck into a win at the end. Junior himself said he wasn't going to race that way ever again.
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I'll say one last thing on this topic , then shoot me . A driver 25th in points ,slows down under green to conserve fuel in what turns out to be a fuel mileage race . He thereby takes the win , giving him a golden ticket to the chase and, with a break or two , the chance at the National Championship . Great thing / bad thing ?
 
BobbyFord said:
The majority of younger people do not care about stock car racing. They never will, regardless of any attempted gimmick.
I took my son to Fontana and to LVMS. He fell asleep in the grandstands at both races.
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So your point is "don't bother"?
 
Allenbaba said:
As someone relatively new to the sport (last 5 years) my two biggest takeaways of the fan base are 1) nicer than any of the other major sports fan bases and 2) they complain about everything.

The problem is that there's absolutely no youth movement in the sport. The average age demographic gets older by roughly half a year, every year. But every time you make a change to try and attract the youth movement, the older folks get pissed. It's a very, very, very difficult position for NASCAR to be in. This sport will probably die with its fan base. Literally. Of course, none of them would care. They'd sooner spend their last 15-20 years watching the sport they grew up with, even if it died with them.
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I ranted on this board for months on the absolute necessity of Travis Pastrana having success in Nascar . Sadly , a huge missed opportunity . Ricky Carmichael too . These names would have meant a heck of a lot more than any of those coming up today . Possible exception , Bubba Wallace who might be Nascar's biggest asset .
 
ted@economy said:
I ranted on this board for months on the absolute necessity of Travis Pastrana having success in Nascar . Sadly , a huge missed opportunity . Ricky Carmichael too . These names would have meant a heck of a lot more than any of those coming up today . Possible exception , Bubba Wallace who might be Nascar's biggest asset .
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Agree with all of this. Someone's gotta take the flag and run with it. It ain't Larson, Chase or the Dillons,...I can assure you of that.
 
Allenbaba said:
Agree with all of this. Someone's gotta take the flag and run with it. It ain't Larson, Chase or the Dillons,...I can assure you of that.
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I agree . Certainly unknowns outside of hardcore Nascar fans .
 
From my perspective, the kids still grow up playing football, baseball, basketball, hockey and they fall in love with the sport. Racing is pretty much a rich kid's playground nowadays where only the elite can compete. It's just inherently difficult to make it accessible to younger people. You can put a basketball court or and hockey rink in a park, your kids can play football in school. It's pretty hard to get kids out to the tracks unless their parents are already involved themselves.

In NASCAR's heyday, the drivers were regular folks, an everyday kind of man could relate to them. Now they're multimillion dollar brand ambassador's that have very little relevance in normal folks lives, in other words they can't relate to the younger generation. You still see poor kids coming up and making it big in other sports, but it doesn't happen in NASCAR very often. So there's no question that NASCAR faces an uphill battle in attracting a new younger audience, why would kids care about a sport they can't try themselves? Or their parents can't afford to take them out to see often? (not that it's getting any more affordable to see other sports these days)
 
3wideinturn1 said:
From my perspective, the kids still grow up playing football, baseball, basketball, hockey and they fall in love with the sport. Racing is pretty much a rich kid's playground nowadays where only the elite can compete. It's just inherently difficult to make it accessible to younger people. You can put a basketball court or and hockey rink in a park, your kids can play football in school. It's pretty hard to get kids out to the tracks unless their parents are already involved themselves.

In NASCAR's heyday, the drivers were regular folks, an everyday kind of man could relate to them. Now they're multimillion dollar brand ambassador's that have very little relevance in normal folks lives, in other words they can't relate to the younger generation. You still see poor kids coming up and making it big in other sports, but it doesn't happen in NASCAR very often. So there's no question that NASCAR faces an uphill battle in attracting a new younger audience, why would kids care about a sport they can't try themselves? Or their parents can't afford to take them out to see often? (not that it's getting any more affordable to see other sports these days)
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I think it has more to do with the fact that youngsters are not really interested in stock cars.
 
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