2019 Gander Outdoors Truck Series Thread

StandOnIt said:
What we saw last year was a tiny under funded team, 13 some odd employees embarrass all of the big money teams and win the championship. The irony is that the team was good enough to attract a buy a ride driver for next year and Brett Moffitt is out of a ride.
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An underfunded team running TRD motors until NASCAR screwed them, and made them run the more expensive spec ****.
 
Conover said:
I’m for keeping Cup drivers out of both trucks and Xfinity. I also want the junior series to go to more short tracks for their race weekends (granted I want more short tracks for Cup too).
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NASCAR has never acknowledged those series as the Minors. Unless they do, this bull**** of keeping Cup drivers out is just that. Is attendance better at the stand alones? This could be a problem for all of those who wax poetic about "names made here." If you want this to be the Minor Leagues, then go to Minor League venues, and charge Minor League prices, and then see what happens to the series.
 
Revman said:
The problem you have is that NASCAR has never acknowledged those series as the Minors. Unless they do, this bull**** of keeping Cup drivers out is just that. Is attendance better at the stand alones? This could be a problem for all of those who wax poetic about "names made here." If you want this to be the Minor Leagues, then go to Minor League venues, and charge Minor League prices, and then see what happens to the series. Cake and eating it too right now.
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Since 2017.o_O
NASCAR giving kids 12 and under free admission to XFINITY and Truck Series races
 
NASCAR Trucks work on many levels from driver development, brand identity, and good hard racing with great entertainment on dirt and road courses. As for Cup Drivers coming down to compete -- that should be for a few showcase races throughout the year (but not in the Chase), and NASCAR should heavily promote it to generate excitement for the fans -- Eldora being one of those few races.
 
Revman said:
No, I am saying that the best racing is produced by the best drivers driving the best cars. The Trucks and Xfinity are not the best drivers or cars by definition--unless you catch a race where Kyle is let out of jail, of course. With the line of thinking here, we should all just head out to our local Karting track, and watch great racing instead of paying all of that money to go to a Cup event.
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Xfinity might actually be the best cars in 2019. ;)
 
Charlie Spencer said:
For the Twitter-ignorant among us, is the track replying to Snider, or vice versa? I could never figure out how comments flow; that's one of the reasons I haven't looked at it in years.
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RR responding to Myatt. The formatting can look a little weird on this site but the bottom is the response.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Xfinity might actually be the best cars in 2019. ;)
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The Xfinity series this year has the best driver match ups I have seen in years, irregardless of the car they will be driving. Bell, Allgaier, Custer, Gragson, Nemechek, hopefully Chastain, Cendrick, Briscoe and Reddick all of these can win a race given half a chance.
 
Revman said:
I love this. Really do.
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and he did it. so now nascar will cut back all the cup drivers hoping that the big teams will still participate. I think hey will all drop back to 1 or 2 cars at the most.
 
StandOnIt said:
uh no. That team ran both engines, it didn't matter Moffitt won races with whatever motor was in the truck.
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Uh, yeah, they had to run both engines, and according to Zippy Lite, the spec cost more, and according to Sauter, it did matter, but, again, whatevs, I get your narrative.
 
Revman said:
Uh, yeah, they had to run both engines, and according to Zippy Lite, the spec cost more, and according to Sauter, it did matter, but, again, whatevs, I get your narrative.
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You missed the point as usual. That team on a shoestring budget beat all of the factory funded multi truck teams of Ford, Toyota and Chevy.
 
StandOnIt said:
You missed the point as usual. That team on a shoestring budget beat all of the factory funded multi truck teams of Ford, Toyota and Chevy.
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That team on a shoestring budget could afford a "factory" motor. That was my point that you missed.....as usual.
 
Revman said:
That team on a shoestring budget could afford a "factory" motor. That was my point that you missed.....as usual.
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what is your point? The motor they couldn't afford was the higher HP spec motor. The factory teams were all running high buck custom motors during the year. Some stepped up to the Illimore motor. The yoters stepped up finally and bought them a spec motor for the last three races. That isn't the story, it didn't matter what motor they ran They were terribly out budgeted with only 10 employees working on the truck and they beat everybody. shesh
 
StandOnIt said:
2018 NASCAR Truck champion Brett Moffitt still looking for work


“We’ve got a lot of stuff going on that I think is all positive,” he said. “Nothing concrete yet but I'm hoping in the next week or two we'll know and have a better sense of direction. So hopefully I'll be back in a winning ride and go after another championship.”


https://autoweek.com/article/nascar/2018-nascar-truck-champion-brett-moffitt-still-looking-work
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This is the type of post that makes me wish there was an 'Agreed' option, because I certainly DON'T 'Like' it.
 
Nascar has to do something to make sure the Champion has a comparable ride the following season. There are many ways to tackle the situation from $ No Fees $ to "Nascar Official Sponsors" covering 1 race each. Lets face it Trucks is not an expensive race to run if they would cut out super tracks and allow more body braces for short tracks.
 
Team Penske said:
Nascar has to do something to make sure the Champion has a comparable ride the following season. There are many ways to tackle the situation from $ No Fees $ to "Nascar Official Sponsors" covering 1 race each. Lets face it Trucks is not an expensive race to run if they would cut out super tracks and allow more body braces for short tracks.
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NASCAR did. Spec motor. Didn't work apparently.
 
Team Penske said:
Nascar has to do something to make sure the Champion has a comparable ride the following season. There are many ways to tackle the situation from $ No Fees $ to "Nascar Official Sponsors" covering 1 race each. Lets face it Trucks is not an expensive race to run if they would cut out super tracks and allow more body braces for short tracks.
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Racing is never going to be fair and it will always make news, it isn't like an endless pool of subs going in the game when one of them goes down for good and disappears. I understand why it happened. It is a heck of a Cinderella story to beat all of the factory sponsored teams with 10 people and no money. But it isn't sustainable. They aren't the first and won't be the last. A whole lot more drivers want to be race car drivers than there are teams to drive for. Sometimes you got to go with the money if you want to continue.
 
Mario tells the story about winning Daytona back in the day. They gave him a motor that was slower than the Holman Moody/regular Ford factory driver had. Mario figured it out and by hook or crook he got one of those motors in his car and was leading the race with it. The team held him in the pits letting the lead driver get by him. Mario was able to pass him and win the race anyway. There was a whole bunch of political complaining about Moffitt and his bunch, rule changes to screw them and tilt it to the factory teams this year. Irregardless of what some think, the trucks are big money racing compared to many other series of racing in the U.S. and the factories are all involved heavily. To beat them all is quite an accomplishment.
 
Team Penske said:
Nascar has to do something to make sure the Champion has a comparable ride the following season. There are many ways to tackle the situation from $ No Fees $ to "Nascar Official Sponsors" covering 1 race each. Lets face it Trucks is not an expensive race to run if they would cut out super tracks and allow more body braces for short tracks.
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Why would we wanna see that though? Say what you will but the best 1.5+ mile track racing in America right now is the NASCAR truck series
 
Revman said:
NASCAR did. Spec motor. Didn't work apparently.
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I put my left foot in front of the right but until the right foot moves I am going no where.
Same thing applies to all aspects of life, no one act determines anything, you got to have a plan and then work the plan.
 
Team Penske said:
I put my left foot in front of the right but until the right foot moves I am going no where.
Same thing applies to all aspects of life, no one act determines anything, you got to have a plan and then work the plan.
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This is exactly what concerns me....the plan. You go spec, you minimize the manufacturers. If the move has no impact on the product, and you lose them, you are in trouble. There is an implied backlash against the manufacturers (specifically Toyota) for raising costs. I might argue that it is the millionaires in the sport who constantly plead to have NASCAR save themselves from themselves (even when they made their millions by themselves) who are responsible for a lack of self-restraint.
 
Revman said:
This is exactly what concerns me....the plan. You go spec, you minimize the manufacturers. If the move has no impact on the product, and you lose them, you are in trouble. There is an implied backlash against the manufacturers (specifically Toyota) for raising costs. I might argue that it is the millionaires in the sport who constantly plead to have NASCAR save themselves from themselves (even when they made their millions by themselves) who are responsible for a lack of self-restraint.
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Toyota is the only one who manufactures their own engines for the teams. Roush/Yates
does Ford and RCR/ HMS do GM motors. Slap a set of valve covers on any engine and I doubt many fans would know the difference. As long as Nascar seizes different motors for inspection, I would think they are all the same or very close. I also doubt manufacturers care what engines are used (except maybe Toyota), it saves them money.
Drivers and set-ups win races ( unless foiled by pit crew mistakes.)

I will never understand why the tire installer looks at a wheel as he runs around the car and waits for the Jack man. :eek:
 
Revman said:
This is exactly what concerns me....the plan. You go spec, you minimize the manufacturers. If the move has no impact on the product, and you lose them, you are in trouble. There is an implied backlash against the manufacturers (specifically Toyota) for raising costs. I might argue that it is the millionaires in the sport who constantly plead to have NASCAR save themselves from themselves (even when they made their millions by themselves) who are responsible for a lack of self-restraint.
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loose them? you can't keep them away or beat them away with a stick. Nascar gave up on trying to keep manufacturers out years ago. By hook or crook the manufacturers found a way even when Congress outlawed their participation in racing.
 
Team Penske said:
Toyota is the only one who manufactures their own engines for the teams. Roush/Yates
does Ford and RCR/ HMS do GM motors. Slap a set of valve covers on any engine and I doubt many fans would know the difference. As long as Nascar seizes different motors for inspection, I would think they are all the same or very close. I also doubt manufacturers care what engines are used (except maybe Toyota), it saves them money.
Drivers and set-ups win races ( unless foiled by pit crew mistakes.)

I will never understand why the tire installer looks at a wheel as he runs around the car and waits for the Jack man. :eek:
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What happened in the trucks this year? The factory teams and others that could afford it built custom motors that could out perform the big block spec motor. Nascar had to dial up the HP on the spec motor in the playoffs by 15% and lo and behold teams started switching to the spec with the top 6 all running the spec motor. . Smart move. No substitute for cubic inches when it comes to horsepower. Most fans could care less like you say and didn't know what was going on all year. Only way the factory teams are going to use the spec motor is if they can't better the HP of the spec motor and they will spend whatever it takes to do it unless there isn't any way possible OR Nascar outlaws factory motors period and seals the spec motor up for no tampering. It's racing, it's predictable.
 
Team Penske said:
Toyota is the only one who manufactures their own engines for the teams.
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That's an oversimplification. TRD manufacturers the engines for JGR and LFR. They have a strict budget just like Roush/Yates, Hendrick, and Childress--probably even more strict. TRD is completely separate from Toyota USA, but answers to Toyota USA in terms of budget. Toyota USA answers to the mothership in Japan, but Japan doesn't mettle with the racing budget. Toyota Racing is again a separate entity, and handles the marketing aspects of racing. The bottom line--and to your point--is that yes, building their own motors is extremely important to TRD. They only gave in to the Truck spec crap because they are now heavily invested in driver development, and to bail from the Trucks would create a gap. Had they not gotten into the business of driver development, I believe that TRD would have bailed from the Trucks with this spec crap. @StandOnIt talks about the possibility of outlawing factory motors...they already have....talk throwing money into a pit....NASCAR has to make the specs faster of Sauter will continue to crap his drawers. NASCAR will never allow the Cronquist built TRD motor to be competitive.

When we talk about "most fans," who are we talking about?
 
StandOnIt said:
loose them? you can't keep them away or beat them away with a stick. Nascar gave up on trying to keep manufacturers out years ago. By hook or crook the manufacturers found a way even when Congress outlawed their participation in racing.
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These are interesting times. I wouldn't be so certain.
 
Revman said:
When we talk about "most fans," who are we talking about?
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This is what I said: C&P from thread:


." Slap a set of valve covers on any engine and I doubt many fans would know the difference"
I stand by that statement, many fans don't have a clue about the engines in race cars. If they were all lined up on the floor and no valve covers, they couldn't tell one from another.
Point. I showed a picture last year of a race car then showed the guy a picture of a Roush/Yates engine in a street car and he was sure it was a cup engine.
Fans today may like racing but MANY couldn't change a tie-rod. :D
 
Team Penske said:
We saw the saw the same thing in the cup race at Homestead. I think the pressure is getting to the CC's and they are making desperate moves. One big reason to have the champion who scores the most points even if it is only the last 5 races.
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Yeah that would make sense to do it that way. BUT it would take away from the "drama" of the last race. If a team had only to start the final race to win the championship heaven forbid. Nascar has painted themselves in a corner with this stick n ball format that isn't designed for racing, but for multi teams, divisions, whatever they call it and I believe that it isn't a perfect system for them also. So what do they do, stuck on stupid.
I think some are fine with the randomness of the last race and all of the points manipulating, cut offs, and whatever. My big gripe is so much is lost trying to figure out who is who during the season except three or four of the top drivers. From a publicity standpoint teams having close battles farther down the food chain are never mentioned in the media. So in so needs to finish 8th or better in both stages and the other so in so needs to not finish in the top ten...doesn't have much of a ring to it. Impossible to predict almost. They tried and they looked like fools during the playoffs.
 
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