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LOL Ricky said Roczen got "lucky" last week.

Did this guy hit his head this morning? How do you dominate the last couple of weeks and call that luck?
 

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LOL Ricky said Roczen got "lucky" last week.

Did this guy hit his head this morning? How do you dominate the last couple of weeks and call that luck?
I missed that remark. Not sure what context would make sense of that.

This Oakland track is tight but actually has some good passing opportunities and alternate lines. The mains should be racey.
 

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I missed that remark. Not sure what context would make sense of that.

This Oakland track is tight but actually has some good passing opportunities and alternate lines. The mains should be racey.
He was talking about Tomac as he passed Roczen for the lead in the first heat. Not sure if he was talking for Tomac or something he said for himself.

But I do know he likes to ride Tomac's dick.
 

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Ralph sounds extra dopey tonight, tried to hype up the Ferrandis on probation angle even though his pass of Forkner wasn't even close to questionable.
 

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Ralph sounds extra dopey tonight, tried to hype up the Ferrandis on probation angle even though his pass of Forkner wasn't even close to questionable.
Not sure why Ferrandis is getting booed for. Guy makes an unintended mistake a couple of weeks ago and people think he's the devil now.

Now he cant make a pass without a controversy..
 

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Tomac's pass on his teammate was rougher than the Ferrandis on Forkner pass the crowd was butthurt over.
 

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If the crowd was mad at Ferrandis than Webb just became public enemy number 1.
 

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Surprisingly good race on a tight degraded track. Quite a finish with the duel between Tomac and Roczen and the last second Webb pass.

I sure hope Roczen's leg is okay.

Can we get Reed in the booth full-time? The announcing was much improved with him there.
 

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Can Ralph stop clutching his pearls over the Ferrandis probation thing every time he breathes on someone? He's the fastest rider but not the best starter, which has made it interesting. He's made one reckless bad pass (Craig) and a bunch of completely acceptable ones this season.
 

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What a duel between Webb and Cianciarulo. Webb is so smart. He's clearly back in the title hunt.
 

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Roczen is my sentimental favorite. I think his comeback is amazing and a championship title would be great.
But I like Tomac too, and I think he is little more mature than before with less mistakes than his previous seasons.
I really hope both get to win a championship at least once.
 

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I have a hard time singling out a favorite between 94 and 3. I really want to see each of them win championships.


Roczen is probably working on more of a comeback just due to damn-near loosing his arms within the past couple years.
 

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I also hope the championship comes down to Roczen and Tomac. I enjoy them both and don't really have a favorite. Webb is right back in it though.
 

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It was great to see James Stewart on the broadcast and in attendance to watch Malcom tonight.

One of those nights where Tomac was clearly the class of the field. Webb puts in a solid effort for second. Roczen's speed has faded the past couple weeks, but he is still right there in the championship as well.

Every single week Cianciarulo has been the fastest qualifier, and more weeks than not he's made an unforced error to drop out of contention. Eventually he's going to put it together for 20 minutes, but when?

McElrath dominated the first round for the 250 East group. Looks like Sexton and a strong returning Jeremy Martin are his main competitors.

Good night of racing overall. That sand section added a much needed variable and difficulty to a straightforward track. I wish they would use those more often.
 

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I also hope the championship comes down to Roczen and Tomac. I enjoy them both and don't really have a favorite. Webb is right back in it though.
I don't think Webb has the pace to compete for the championship. There is a long way to go, but I think Tomac is the favorite, then Roczen close behind.

When Webb won in that head-to-head battle with Cianciarulo, didn't both Tomac and Roczen get really bad starts? That's my recollection... but could be wrong. I haven't seen Webb able to go head-to-head with Tomac and beat him when both get a good start.
 

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It had been an intriguing and varied night of racing so far in the 450s. But I hate to see Webb go down like that. That was vicious and looked awful. I hope he isn't seriously hurt. Yikes.
 

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This is probably the best triple crown format finale race they've had. Those guys brought it, so intense. It's a shame about Webb.
 

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Glad to hear that Cooper Webb will try to ride this weekend. He has no shot at the SX championship unless both Tomac and Roczen suffer a DNF, but good to see him return to action.

 

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Webb is one tough little dude. I've gained a lot of respect for his abilities and smarts at the 450 level with KTM.

He does lack the pace of Tomac, but that was true last year too. Tomac has just been in the habit of giving away these championships with a lack of consistency and risk mitigation. This year, Tomac seems more stable and willing to take a fourth on a night that he isn't at his best. I'm not ready to declare that he couldn't suffer a freak DNF or couple of poor finishes yet.

Roczen rides carefully. If he gets a good start, he can stay at the front. If he is mired in the pack, it's hard for him to advance the way Tomac and Webb can.

I think it is going to be tough for Webb this weekend, and we may see him struggle as he did with illness early in the season. If he is able to place it in the top five, that would be quite a feat.

It's a shame that Cianciarulo will be out for an extended period. His pure speed made the battles at the front more interesting.
 

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Good to see that Webb looked pretty good in his heat. I like the deep field and it's been getting thinned by injuries.
 

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Clinic by Roczen. Gutsy performance by Webb. Credit to Tomac for recovering, he was fortunate so many in front of him started having trouble.

What a ****** final lap battle for third! Wow, that track didn't seem well designed for most of the night, but the second half of the 450 main was fantastic.
 

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I never thought I would say this, but call me a Cooper Webb fan now. I'm a fan of Kenny and Eli too for different reasons. But Webb's determination and smarts are too much to not appreciate. All of the snottiness of his younger days is gone, and what's left is a warrior who keeps fighting no matter what. To see how much pain he was in during the post-race interview was inspiring. What a ride for him.
 

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I never thought I would say this, but call me a Cooper Webb fan now. I'm a fan of Kenny and Eli too for different reasons. But Webb's determination and smarts are too much to not appreciate. All of the snottiness of his younger days is gone, and what's left is a warrior who keeps fighting no matter what. To see how much pain he was in during the post-race interview was inspiring. What a ride for him.
I'm not familiar with Webb's early career as I never paid attention to the undercard until the last few years. I first noticed him in 2017... factory Yamaha, 450 class rookie, flashes of brilliance, but inconsistent and plagued by injuries.

[I'd describe myself as a casual fan of SX, but an avid fan of intense, hard core racing, which these top guys bring every week. And I have a bit of a soft spot for the Yamaha guys, as I've owned and raced a lot of 'em back in the day, LOL]

Anyway, I don't recall Webb acting snotty in the 450's. In 2018, more of the same like his rookie 450 season. I figured he had blown his chance, would lose his factory gig, and wind up racing for a secondary team. I was very surprised that Roger De Coster signed him for KTM, but it turned out to be a brilliant move. Webb's interviews remain kinda cringe-worthy, but I'm happy for his success.

Atlanta was a Micky Mouse track, but the same for everyone so Tomac's troubles were self inflicted. Not a fan of several of his crash passes... channeling Ironhead... sorry for the Nascar reference... let's say he's channeling a petulant young Marc Marquez. Tomac remains the championship favorite IMO. He already has two (or three?) outdoor MX championships. That's better racing IMO, but SX has the prestige and the big money so it's the one they all want to win the most. This may be Eli's year, finally.
 

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Webb is one tough little dude. I've gained a lot of respect for his abilities and smarts at the 450 level with KTM.

He does lack the pace of Tomac, but that was true last year too. Tomac has just been in the habit of giving away these championships with a lack of consistency and risk mitigation. This year, Tomac seems more stable and willing to take a fourth on a night that he isn't at his best. I'm not ready to declare that he couldn't suffer a freak DNF or couple of poor finishes yet.

Roczen rides carefully. If he gets a good start, he can stay at the front. If he is mired in the pack, it's hard for him to advance the way Tomac and Webb can.

I think it is going to be tough for Webb this weekend, and we may see him struggle as he did with illness early in the season. If he is able to place it in the top five, that would be quite a feat.

It's a shame that Cianciarulo will be out for an extended period. His pure speed made the battles at the front more interesting.
What happened to Cianciarulo?
 

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I'm not familiar with Webb's early career as I never paid attention to the undercard until the last few years. I first noticed him in 2017... factory Yamaha, 450 class rookie, flashes of brilliance, but inconsistent and plagued by injuries.

[I'd describe myself as a casual fan of SX, but an avid fan of intense, hard core racing, which these top guys bring every week. And I have a bit of a soft spot for the Yamaha guys, as I've owned and raced a lot of 'em back in the day, LOL]

Anyway, I don't recall Webb acting snotty in the 450's. In 2018, more of the same like his rookie 450 season. I figured he had blown his chance, would lose his factory gig, and wind up racing for a secondary team. I was very surprised that Roger De Coster signed him for KTM, but it turned out to be a brilliant move. Webb's interviews remain kinda cringe-worthy, but I'm happy for his success.

Atlanta was a Micky Mouse track, but the same for everyone so Tomac's troubles were self inflicted. Not a fan of several of his crash passes... channeling Ironhead... sorry for the Nascar reference... let's say he's channeling a petulant young Marc Marquez. Tomac remains the championship favorite IMO. He already has two (or three?) outdoor MX championships. That's better racing IMO, but SX has the prestige and the big money so it's the one they all want to win the most. This may be Eli's year, finally.
My take on Webb was formed by watching him in the 250 class and absorbing stories from his amateur days. He was always considered a strong prospect, but perhaps not the top prospect (Cianciarulo was probably that, as they came up together and were often in the same classes). A lot of people described Webb as always having a chip on his shoulder. To me it came across as not having respect for his fellow riders. His manner was also distant and remote, and he would make occasional snide remarks. The last vestige of this was his comment at the end of last year regarding Cianciarulo'a failure to win the 250 championship: "He cracked. I didn't." Harsh, maybe even true, but not my style. I think this was a holdover from his feelings of resentment that Cianciarulo was always more lauded.

Still, I have to remember these guys are all young men and growing. I've seen him become a lot more confident, secure, and respectful of his place in the sport over the past year. I think he does carry himself like a champion now. He also rides aggressively but with supreme control.


As for Tomac, his move on Baggett last night was over-anxious and not cool. I think he was feeling the heat from Barcia (who I don't think he did anything wrong to, Barcia is just oddly sensitive to being touched for a guy named Bam Bam) and sent it into the corner way too hard, leaving Baggett no real option to avoid. Baggett was right to be upset.

The Atlanta track was not a good design, extremely tight and hard to pass on. Somehow it still produced a very good 450 main once it was broken down.
 

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I agree - that was a good 450 main. Points nice and tight.
 

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My take on Webb was formed by watching him in the 250 class and absorbing stories from his amateur days. He was always considered a strong prospect, but perhaps not the top prospect (Cianciarulo was probably that, as they came up together and were often in the same classes). A lot of people described Webb as always having a chip on his shoulder. To me it came across as not having respect for his fellow riders. His manner was also distant and remote, and he would make occasional snide remarks. The last vestige of this was his comment at the end of last year regarding Cianciarulo'a failure to win the 250 championship: "He cracked. I didn't." Harsh, maybe even true, but not my style. I think this was a holdover from his feelings of resentment that Cianciarulo was always more lauded.

Still, I have to remember these guys are all young men and growing. I've seen him become a lot more confident, secure, and respectful of his place in the sport over the past year. I think he does carry himself like a champion now. He also rides aggressively but with supreme control.


As for Tomac, his move on Baggett last night was over-anxious and not cool. I think he was feeling the heat from Barcia (who I don't think he did anything wrong to, Barcia is just oddly sensitive to being touched for a guy named Bam Bam) and sent it into the corner way too hard, leaving Baggett no real option to avoid. Baggett was right to be upset.

The Atlanta track was not a good design, extremely tight and hard to pass on. Somehow it still produced a very good 450 main once it was broken down.
Sounds like Hurricane...he is a chump too I guess.
 

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Looking forward to Daytona this evening. The opinions of those who have been watching practices are sharply divided on the track layout. Some say it looks great, others say it is terrible, one lane, and there will be no passing. I guess we'll see, but Daytona is always one of the more interesting tests on the schedule.
 

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Looking forward to Daytona this evening. The opinions of those who have been watching practices are sharply divided on the track layout. Some say it looks great, others say it is terrible, one lane, and there will be no passing. I guess we'll see, but Daytona is always one of the more interesting tests on the schedule.
I can see both sides. Looks very exciting...to start.

But what's with the twists and turns on this track? Too many, imo.
 

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I like a track that is technical and has longer straights, not just designed to keep them bunched up, but this is pretty bad.
 

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What a disaster. Putting the sand trap at the first corner has proven to be a bad move.
 

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As has happened a few other times this year, the racing improved a lot as the track broke down. Good 450 Main again. It's fun to watch Tomac and Roczen compete with so much respect. I was impressed that Roczen stayed with him after getting passed, I almost thought he was going to pressure Eli into a mistake.

This isn't really a Webb type of track, but a strong third is good for him. He'll need a break to get back into the championship picture.
 
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