2024 Next Gen Car

Charlie Spencer said:
GM is already fielding hybrid Cadillacs. Honda (Acura) is too, so they'd be ready if interested. Indeed, I read one of the reasons for the Honda / Nissan merger was to improve hybrid and EV development. I don't know about Ford or Toyota but I'd be astonished if they weren't working on something as far as racing goes. I can tell you I'm delighted with my hybrid Ford Maverick.

For a variety of reasons, some good and some 'What the...?', NASCAR has historically been slow to adopt new technologies.
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You know what? I had no idea there was a Maverick truck, this is the Maverick I remember. 😁
 

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Charlie Spencer said:
GM is already fielding hybrid Cadillacs. Honda (Acura) is too, so they'd be ready if interested. Indeed, I read one of the reasons for the Honda / Nissan merger was to improve hybrid and EV development. I don't know about Ford or Toyota but I'd be astonished if they weren't working on something as far as racing goes. I can tell you I'm delighted with my hybrid Ford Maverick.

For a variety of reasons, some good and some 'What the...?', NASCAR has historically been slow to adopt new technologies.
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Toyota has twin turbo 6 hybrid experience in the WEC. While the GR stuff is probably a branding exercise, it would be interesting to know if there would be some sharing should NASCAR go the hybrid direction. I would imagine so as the narrative is GR unites all of Toyota's racing activities. On the consumer side, Toyota has a turbo 4, twin turbo 6, and soon a twin turbo 8 hybrid in the line up in addition to the hybrid 4s. A new manufacturer simply is not going to sing up unless the tech becomes more relevant, but I don't think that NASCAR is willing to spend to make this happen. Head scratcher for those who actually like the race cars.
 
Revman said:
Toyota has twin turbo 6 hybrid experience in the WEC. While the GR stuff is probably a branding exercise, it would be interesting to know if there would be some sharing should NASCAR go the hybrid direction. I would imagine so as the narrative is GR unites all of Toyota's racing activities. On the consumer side, Toyota has a turbo 4, twin turbo 6, and soon a twin turbo 8 hybrid in the line up in addition to the hybrid 4s. A new manufacturer simply is not going to sing up unless the tech becomes more relevant, but I don't think that NASCAR is willing to spend to make this happen. Head scratcher for those who actually like the race cars.
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Horsepower is horsepower. It doesn't care. Little huffed four bangers work harder than larger displacement motors. That is a fact of physics. Another law. There is no substitute for cubic inches when you are making horsepower.
 
StandOnIt said:
Horsepower is horsepower. It doesn't care. Little huffed four bangers work harder than larger displacement motors. That is a fact of physics. Another law. There is no substitute for cubic inches when you are making horsepower.
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Dont forget torque, its the reason I love my 7.3 diesel so much
 
I do wonder how the racing would be if they went to something like a 6 cylinder turbo charged engine? You could really mess around with performance with different sized turbos to get the result you're looking for.

The engineer in me would be really interested in seeing how this would perform across the different types of tracks.
 
wi_racefan said:
I do wonder how the racing would be if they went to something like a 6 cylinder turbo charged engine? You could really mess around with performance with different sized turbos to get the result you're looking for.

The engineer in me would be really interested in seeing how this would perform across the different types of tracks.
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If you limit the horsepower, it doesn't matter how you get there.
 
Maybe NASCAR needs to do what teams did in the late 70's and early 80's. The GM teams ran the Olds 442 at the superspeedways and fast tracks and ran the big Monte Carlos at the short tracks and intermediate tracks. Maybe they need to run the NextGen car at the 1.5-mile and larger tracks and bring back the Gen 7 car for the short tracks, road courses, and intermediate tracks.
 
MRM said:
Maybe NASCAR needs to do what teams did in the late 70's and early 80's. Maybe they need to run the NextGen car at the 1.5-mile and larger tracks and bring back the Gen 7 car for the short tracks, road courses, and intermediate tracks.
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I expect them to stick to the primary objectives of Gen 7 and to give Goodyear free rein to deal with whatever problems remain.
 
wi_racefan said:
I really think it matters how you get there when it comes to racing. Manipulating the torque curve can really change racing
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What exciting difference would it make with everybody being the same? Probably should look at IMSA and their balance of performance and what a nightmare that brings. Typical Nascar fans heads would explode if that was in Nascar. There are always complaints about teams sandbagging, unfair manufacturers advantages, it's a handful for officials to get it right. I think they do a pretty good job myself, but in Nascar? lol.
 
StandOnIt said:
Probably should look at IMSA and their balance of performance and what a nightmare that brings. ... it's a handful for officials to get it right. I think they do a pretty good job myself, ...
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Agreed. IMSA does a better job than the days when NASCAR was changing each manufacturer's spoiler heights and widths every week.
 
Spotter22 said:
He believed we needed to slow the cars to match the talent.
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and the talent has gone down hill ever since. Maybe go back to real drivers and let the buyers drop back to Xfinity. I would rather watch 30 qualified drivers than 36 imitations
 
StandOnIt said:
Horsepower is horsepower. It doesn't care. Little huffed four bangers work harder than larger displacement motors. That is a fact of physics. Another law. There is no substitute for cubic inches when you are making horsepower.
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Yeah, but the target isn't how much horsepower you can make rather than how it is delivered anymore....and I think electrification has kind of changed that cubic inch law.
 
StandOnIt said:
What exciting difference would it make with everybody being the same? Probably should look at IMSA and their balance of performance and what a nightmare that brings. Typical Nascar fans heads would explode if that was in Nascar. There are always complaints about teams sandbagging, unfair manufacturers advantages, it's a handful for officials to get it right. I think they do a pretty good job myself, but in Nascar? lol.
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I hate BOP, and if the spec chassis didn't finish Toyota off, that probably would....I would hope.
 
Revman said:
I hate BOP, and if the spec chassis didn't finish Toyota off, that probably would....I would hope.
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Poor yotas. over decades they have been held back. If, If they could only be allowed to have more HP and anybody else, a new slipperier front end something, anything to get them out of the tie with the Hudsons with three wins. They are going down for the count if they don't get a break. .
 
Revman said:
Help me with this....if you limit horsepower, the only thing that matters is how you get there, right? What am I missing?
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If you think a small displacement motor with turbos makes more torque than a larger displacement motor with injectors you would be mistaken. If you have spent any time in a turbo car the power band is much different. Terrible low speed torque, the turbo isn't making the boost at low RPMs.
 
StandOnIt said:
If you think a small displacement motor with turbos makes more torque than a larger displacement motor with injectors you would be mistaken. If you have spent any time in a turbo car the power band is much different. Terrible low speed torque, the turbo isn't making the boost at low RPMs.
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Give the engineers the chance, and they mitigate the lag. Oh, hey, F1.
 
StandOnIt said:
Poor yotas. over decades they have been held back. If, If they could only be allowed to have more HP and anybody else, a new slipperier front end something, anything to get them out of the tie with the Hudsons with three wins. They are going down for the count if they don't get a break. .
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In the meantime, WE should try the louver thing.
 
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