2024 Next Gen Car

Charlie Spencer said:
GM is already fielding hybrid Cadillacs. Honda (Acura) is too, so they'd be ready if interested. Indeed, I read one of the reasons for the Honda / Nissan merger was to improve hybrid and EV development. I don't know about Ford or Toyota but I'd be astonished if they weren't working on something as far as racing goes. I can tell you I'm delighted with my hybrid Ford Maverick.

For a variety of reasons, some good and some 'What the...?', NASCAR has historically been slow to adopt new technologies.
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You know what? I had no idea there was a Maverick truck, this is the Maverick I remember. 😁
 

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Charlie Spencer said:
GM is already fielding hybrid Cadillacs. Honda (Acura) is too, so they'd be ready if interested. Indeed, I read one of the reasons for the Honda / Nissan merger was to improve hybrid and EV development. I don't know about Ford or Toyota but I'd be astonished if they weren't working on something as far as racing goes. I can tell you I'm delighted with my hybrid Ford Maverick.

For a variety of reasons, some good and some 'What the...?', NASCAR has historically been slow to adopt new technologies.
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Toyota has twin turbo 6 hybrid experience in the WEC. While the GR stuff is probably a branding exercise, it would be interesting to know if there would be some sharing should NASCAR go the hybrid direction. I would imagine so as the narrative is GR unites all of Toyota's racing activities. On the consumer side, Toyota has a turbo 4, twin turbo 6, and soon a twin turbo 8 hybrid in the line up in addition to the hybrid 4s. A new manufacturer simply is not going to sing up unless the tech becomes more relevant, but I don't think that NASCAR is willing to spend to make this happen. Head scratcher for those who actually like the race cars.
 
Revman said:
Toyota has twin turbo 6 hybrid experience in the WEC. While the GR stuff is probably a branding exercise, it would be interesting to know if there would be some sharing should NASCAR go the hybrid direction. I would imagine so as the narrative is GR unites all of Toyota's racing activities. On the consumer side, Toyota has a turbo 4, twin turbo 6, and soon a twin turbo 8 hybrid in the line up in addition to the hybrid 4s. A new manufacturer simply is not going to sing up unless the tech becomes more relevant, but I don't think that NASCAR is willing to spend to make this happen. Head scratcher for those who actually like the race cars.
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Horsepower is horsepower. It doesn't care. Little huffed four bangers work harder than larger displacement motors. That is a fact of physics. Another law. There is no substitute for cubic inches when you are making horsepower.
 
StandOnIt said:
Horsepower is horsepower. It doesn't care. Little huffed four bangers work harder than larger displacement motors. That is a fact of physics. Another law. There is no substitute for cubic inches when you are making horsepower.
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Dont forget torque, its the reason I love my 7.3 diesel so much
 
I do wonder how the racing would be if they went to something like a 6 cylinder turbo charged engine? You could really mess around with performance with different sized turbos to get the result you're looking for.

The engineer in me would be really interested in seeing how this would perform across the different types of tracks.
 
wi_racefan said:
I do wonder how the racing would be if they went to something like a 6 cylinder turbo charged engine? You could really mess around with performance with different sized turbos to get the result you're looking for.

The engineer in me would be really interested in seeing how this would perform across the different types of tracks.
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If you limit the horsepower, it doesn't matter how you get there.
 
Maybe NASCAR needs to do what teams did in the late 70's and early 80's. The GM teams ran the Olds 442 at the superspeedways and fast tracks and ran the big Monte Carlos at the short tracks and intermediate tracks. Maybe they need to run the NextGen car at the 1.5-mile and larger tracks and bring back the Gen 7 car for the short tracks, road courses, and intermediate tracks.
 
MRM said:
Maybe NASCAR needs to do what teams did in the late 70's and early 80's. Maybe they need to run the NextGen car at the 1.5-mile and larger tracks and bring back the Gen 7 car for the short tracks, road courses, and intermediate tracks.
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I expect them to stick to the primary objectives of Gen 7 and to give Goodyear free rein to deal with whatever problems remain.
 
wi_racefan said:
I really think it matters how you get there when it comes to racing. Manipulating the torque curve can really change racing
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What exciting difference would it make with everybody being the same? Probably should look at IMSA and their balance of performance and what a nightmare that brings. Typical Nascar fans heads would explode if that was in Nascar. There are always complaints about teams sandbagging, unfair manufacturers advantages, it's a handful for officials to get it right. I think they do a pretty good job myself, but in Nascar? lol.
 
StandOnIt said:
Probably should look at IMSA and their balance of performance and what a nightmare that brings. ... it's a handful for officials to get it right. I think they do a pretty good job myself, ...
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Agreed. IMSA does a better job than the days when NASCAR was changing each manufacturer's spoiler heights and widths every week.
 
Spotter22 said:
He believed we needed to slow the cars to match the talent.
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and the talent has gone down hill ever since. Maybe go back to real drivers and let the buyers drop back to Xfinity. I would rather watch 30 qualified drivers than 36 imitations
 
StandOnIt said:
Horsepower is horsepower. It doesn't care. Little huffed four bangers work harder than larger displacement motors. That is a fact of physics. Another law. There is no substitute for cubic inches when you are making horsepower.
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Yeah, but the target isn't how much horsepower you can make rather than how it is delivered anymore....and I think electrification has kind of changed that cubic inch law.
 
StandOnIt said:
What exciting difference would it make with everybody being the same? Probably should look at IMSA and their balance of performance and what a nightmare that brings. Typical Nascar fans heads would explode if that was in Nascar. There are always complaints about teams sandbagging, unfair manufacturers advantages, it's a handful for officials to get it right. I think they do a pretty good job myself, but in Nascar? lol.
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I hate BOP, and if the spec chassis didn't finish Toyota off, that probably would....I would hope.
 
StandOnIt said:
If you limit the horsepower, it doesn't matter how you get there.
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Help me with this....if you limit horsepower, the only thing that matters is how you get there, right? What am I missing?
 
Revman said:
Yeah, but the target isn't how much horsepower you can make rather than how it is delivered anymore....and I think electrification has kind of changed that cubic inch law.
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We were talking about non electric motors.
 
Revman said:
I hate BOP, and if the spec chassis didn't finish Toyota off, that probably would....I would hope.
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Poor yotas. over decades they have been held back. If, If they could only be allowed to have more HP and anybody else, a new slipperier front end something, anything to get them out of the tie with the Hudsons with three wins. They are going down for the count if they don't get a break. .
 
Revman said:
Help me with this....if you limit horsepower, the only thing that matters is how you get there, right? What am I missing?
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If you think a small displacement motor with turbos makes more torque than a larger displacement motor with injectors you would be mistaken. If you have spent any time in a turbo car the power band is much different. Terrible low speed torque, the turbo isn't making the boost at low RPMs.
 
StandOnIt said:
If you think a small displacement motor with turbos makes more torque than a larger displacement motor with injectors you would be mistaken. If you have spent any time in a turbo car the power band is much different. Terrible low speed torque, the turbo isn't making the boost at low RPMs.
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Give the engineers the chance, and they mitigate the lag. Oh, hey, F1.
 
StandOnIt said:
Poor yotas. over decades they have been held back. If, If they could only be allowed to have more HP and anybody else, a new slipperier front end something, anything to get them out of the tie with the Hudsons with three wins. They are going down for the count if they don't get a break. .
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In the meantime, WE should try the louver thing.
 
I guess it would be too much to hope that this will be used to determine car positions at the time of cautions. More likely it's just NASCAR trying to sell another single-source part.
 
Pit road speed is measured / calculated electronically using embedded wiring on pit road and transponders attached to each car.

The speed of each car through each timing segment is instantly transmitted to every computer screen on pit road and in every war-room. Overspeeds appear in red onscreen.
 
aunty dive said:
Pit road speed is measured / calculated electronically using embedded wiring on pit road and transponders attached to each car.

The speed of each car through each timing segment is instantly transmitted to every computer screen on pit road and in every war-room. Overspeeds appear in red onscreen.
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Any speculation as to what purpose these antennas will serve?
 
aunty dive said:
Pit road speed is measured / calculated electronically using embedded wiring on pit road and transponders attached to each car.

The speed of each car through each timing segment is instantly transmitted to every computer screen on pit road and in every war-room. Overspeeds appear in red onscreen.
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Yeah but it's games of how far out you go around a curve, speeding up coming into your box, speeding coming out of your box.......

Just measure it with gps and if you speed at any point you're busted, end of story.
 
wi_racefan said:
Yeah but it's games of how far out you go around a curve, speeding up coming into your box, speeding coming out of your box.......

Just measure it with gps and if you speed at any point you're busted, end of story.
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Why take the game out of it?

You must be a lot of fun at parties.
 
It's possible some of it might stream down to viewers, showing for instance in a crash the rate of deceleration, or more accurate speeds down the straights and corner speeds. Super easy positioning in getting the field back in place after a wreck..That was nuts at the last restrictor plate race, cars were every where.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Well, pit road has a speed limit for safety reasons.

I don’t care one way or the other, just pointing that out.
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If pit road speed was a safety issue, we would have speed limiters....and while I am at it, if safety was a concern we would have tire pressure sensors/monitors....and while I am still at it, how about we through in gas gauges......cuz NASCAR?
 
Revman said:
If pit road speed was a safety issue, we would have speed limiters....and while I am at it, if safety was a concern we would have tire pressure sensors/monitors....and while I am still at it, how about we through in gas gauges......cuz NASCAR?
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It's auto racing. It's inherently dangerous. There's an ever-shifting balance between safety and entertainment. All activities include a measure of danger; only the degree differs.

I assumed you're old enough to already know that, but I can't explain why you trotted out a reductio ad absurdum response.
 
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