2024 Next Gen Car

If pit road speed was a safety issue, we would have speed limiters....and while I am at it, if safety was a concern we would have tire pressure sensors/monitors....and while I am still at it, how about we through in gas gauges......cuz NASCAR?
You finally made it. cuz Nascar. Go watch something else if you are having a problem. Your ideas of improvement aren't Nascar's it is as simple as that. Nobody in any racing series do pit stops as well as Nascar. The damaged midgets at the Chili Bowl get close, but nobody holds a candle to how much skill it takes to execute a pit stop than they do in Nascar.
 
It's auto racing. It's inherently dangerous. There's an ever-shifting balance between safety and entertainment. All activities include a measure of danger; only the degree differs.

I assumed you're old enough to already know that, but I can't explain why you trotted out a reductio ad absurdum response.
Could have saved a ton on SAFER barriers....because of the inherent danger......and you're right, why bother with the ole contact patches? Dale Jr. Line 1. Thanks for the Latin....took me back to things I don't care about.
 
Might as well ask why open wheel series don't run fenders, or why sports cars don't run single classes. Safer, maybe more efficient, but that's not what they're about.
You are aware that Indy Car kind of does....to prevent them from getting airborne.....reduced that inherent danger thing which killed Wheldon......which is sad, and not great for the sport.....but you go kid.
 
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I'll be just fine with it unless they start running multiple classes in the same race. It could affect the GT classes in IMSA possibly, Trans Am also. It could be a fairly easy step over to Nascar if they decide to go forward with it.
 
I'll be just fine with it unless they start running multiple classes in the same race. It could affect the GT classes in IMSA possibly, Trans Am also. It could be a fairly easy step over to Nascar if they decide to go forward with it.
Could only do it at a big track. Let's make it a big race. Future Daytona 500 with 30 cars/trucks each from each of the 3 national series at once. Lets break some Wrecords :bazooka:-_-:lurk:
 
I know its getting way off topic, but I always thought an exhibition race with the top 10 from the top 3 series on the track at the same time would be cool
 
I know its getting way off topic, but I always thought an exhibition race with the top 10 from the top 3 series on the track at the same time would be cool
Maybe kind of like an Iron since some say they are moving that anyway. Some also say the championship 4 should only race each other.

Make the finale a combined event, one race consisting of all 3 championships. The championship 4 from each series is in, and that's it.
12 cars. Settle it all. It would be great for showcasing rising stars competing with the champions etc.
 
Maybe kind of like an Iron since some say they are moving that anyway. Some also say the championship 4 should only race each other.

Make the finale a combined event, one race consisting of all 3 championships. The championship 4 from each series is in, and that's it.
12 cars. Settle it all. It would be great for showcasing rising stars competing with the champions etc.
I could take that as an exhibition race, but I'll never be a fan of a winner take all championship race
 
Indeed, I read one of the reasons for the Honda / Nissan merger was to improve hybrid and EV development.
Well, that ain't happening.
 
Don't know how I feel about this...
What this will lead to is engine teams/engine builders getting penalized for doing too good of a job and making more horsepower. While it is an unwanted but sadly necessary evil in sports car racing, it has ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE in NASCAR. The absolute LAST thing NASCAR needs is even more cars going EXACTLY the same speed.
 
What this will lead to is engine teams/engine builders getting penalized for doing too good of a job and making more horsepower. While it is an unwanted but sadly necessary evil in sports car racing, it has ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE in NASCAR. The absolute LAST thing NASCAR needs is even more cars going EXACTLY the same speed.
I understand you think it is your duty to find fault wherever possible, but the main theme of the article was that with this piece of equipment, other configurations of engines can be used similar to what other racing series do to handicap performance so all have an opportunity to compete on a level playing field.
There are plenty of other areas where speed can be obtained with engine horsepower giving one of the lesser returns for money spent and aero and handling being areas that give greater rewards.
 

Bozi was on Denny's podcast this week, went into detail about what he saw at Martinsville on pit crews. Talked a lot about the jackman on the crews and what he observed. It was interesting what he noticed.
 
Bozi was on Denny's podcast this week, went into detail about what he saw at Martinsville on pit crews. Talked a lot about the jackman on the crews and what he observed. It was interesting what he noticed.
Bozi is a crewman in IMSA.
 
I understand you think it is your duty to find fault wherever possible, but the main theme of the article was that with this piece of equipment, other configurations of engines can be used similar to what other racing series do to handicap performance so all have an opportunity to compete on a level playing field.
There are plenty of other areas where speed can be obtained with engine horsepower giving one of the lesser returns for money spent and aero and handling being areas that give greater rewards.
 
I understand you think it is your duty to find fault wherever possible, but the main theme of the article was that with this piece of equipment, other configurations of engines can be used similar to what other racing series do to handicap performance so all have an opportunity to compete on a level playing field.
There are plenty of other areas where speed can be obtained with engine horsepower giving one of the lesser returns for money spent and aero and handling being areas that give greater rewards.
You just said it: Handicap performance. There are so few areas available as it is to separate one car from another, and this will only exacerbate the problem. If you like watching a bunch of cars run 100 miles bumper to bumper and never change position, then this will be right up your alley. In IMSA, when one car somehow finds a slight performance advantage and wins a race, they usually get hammered with a BoP adjustment so draconian that the car ends up being completely uncompetitive for about half the season. It is one of the primary reasons I don't enjoy sportscar racing nearly as much as I used to. If this comes to NASCAR, it will likely be the final nail in the coffin for many of us. Today's race was nearly unwatchable as it was.
 
You just said it: Handicap performance. There are so few areas available as it is to separate one car from another, and this will only exacerbate the problem. If you like watching a bunch of cars run 100 miles bumper to bumper and never change position, then this will be right up your alley. In IMSA, when one car somehow finds a slight performance advantage and wins a race, they usually get hammered with a BoP adjustment so draconian that the car ends up being completely uncompetitive for about half the season. It is one of the primary reasons I don't enjoy sportscar racing nearly as much as I used to. If this comes to NASCAR, it will likely be the final nail in the coffin for many of us. Today's race was nearly unwatchable as it was.
What will you find to complain about if that happens? I would like you to find me any racing series that doesn't have handicapping and let me know what it is. Find me in the rule book where it says you can run any size engine displacement, any kind of intake or wheel wheel tire combination etc.

BTW we just watched a race at Darlington one of the toughest tracks, might be the toughest track to pass and we watched Blaney pass cars all day long. BTW saying cars can't pass is nonsense. The facts disprove that.

Darlington.
Green flag passes: 2,966 (11.8 per green flag lap)
(Source: NASCAR loop data)

Martinsville
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Homestead
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What will you find to complain about if that happens? I would like you to find me any racing series that doesn't have handicapping and let me know what it is. Find me in the rule book where it says you can run any size engine displacement, any kind of intake or wheel wheel tire combination etc.

BTW we just watched a race at Darlington one of the toughest tracks, might be the toughest track to pass and we watched Blaney pass cars all day long. BTW saying cars can't pass is nonsense. The facts disprove that.

Darlington.
Green flag passes: 2,966 (11.8 per green flag lap)
(Source: NASCAR loop data)

Martinsville
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Homestead
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I don't know how people pass at Darlington. Attending there numerous times I was always in awe of it's narrowness after growing up just south of MIS.
 
What will you find to complain about if that happens? I would like you to find me any racing series that doesn't have handicapping and let me know what it is. Find me in the rule book where it says you can run any size engine displacement, any kind of intake or wheel wheel tire combination etc.

BTW we just watched a race at Darlington one of the toughest tracks, might be the toughest track to pass and we watched Blaney pass cars all day long. BTW saying cars can't pass is nonsense. The facts disprove that.

Darlington.
Green flag passes: 2,966 (11.8 per green flag lap)
(Source: NASCAR loop data)

Martinsville
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Homestead
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NASCAR has always given engine parameters to work in, but they have NEVER outright penalized teams for making too much horsepower. That is what they do in IMSA, and that evidently is what they want to bring to NASCAR. As for all of these passes, take out green pit stops and the first two laps after a restart and see what they look like. I saw several cars run multiple fuel stops and never change more than one position. Passes for the lead have been as rare as unicorns lately.
 
NASCAR has always given engine parameters to work in, but they have NEVER outright penalized teams for making too much horsepower. That is what they do in IMSA, and that evidently is what they want to bring to NASCAR. As for all of these passes, take out green pit stops and the first two laps after a restart and see what they look like. I saw several cars run multiple fuel stops and never change more than one position. Passes for the lead have been as rare as unicorns lately.
Tell ya what. You go ahead and handicap the passing all you chose. Take out 10% or 20% because they don't suit your fancy. Take out 90% , it doesn't matter, there is passing. The narrative is nonsense.
You must have missed the memo about Nascar's engine rules. You should have been complained out by now lol. Nobody is listening.
 
NASCAR has always given engine parameters to work in, but they have NEVER outright penalized teams for making too much horsepower. That is what they do in IMSA, and that evidently is what they want to bring to NASCAR. As for all of these passes, take out green pit stops and the first two laps after a restart and see what they look like. I saw several cars run multiple fuel stops and never change more than one position. Passes for the lead have been as rare as unicorns lately.
Well ya got part of it right with IMSA, but it isn't that simple. The goal is to balance the performance, not penalize anybody.
Some people will always miss the fundamental rule. The rule has been proved many times and it is If you let teams go without any boundaries, the racing series will eat itself in a short time. For example Can-Am from the mid 60's proved it with 1500 HP cars.
Anyway, here is how IMSA's BOP works.

IMSA’s technical team, led by the IMSA Technical Committee (ITC), collects and analyzes a wide range of data to assess each car’s performance. This includes telemetry from onboard data loggers (measuring things like speed, throttle position, and torque), timing and scoring data, wind tunnel tests, engine dynamometer results, and even real-world race performance. For some classes, like GTP and GT cars, advanced tools like driveshaft-mounted torque sensors have been introduced in recent years to measure power output directly at the wheels, providing a more accurate picture of a car’s capabilities.

Based on this data, IMSA adjusts specific parameters to balance the cars within each class. These adjustments can include:
  • Weight: Adding or removing ballast to alter a car’s minimum weight.
  • Power: Restricting engine output via air restrictors (for naturally aspirated engines), boost limits (for turbocharged engines), or fuel flow rates.
  • Aerodynamics: Modifying wing angles or other aero elements to adjust downforce and drag.
  • Fuel Capacity: Changing tank size or refueling rates to influence stint length and strategy.
The aim is to keep all cars within a tight performance window—typically 0.3% for GTP and GTLM classes (about 0.3 seconds over a 100-second lap) and 0.5% for GTD (0.5 seconds). This ensures close racing where no single manufacturer dominates due to raw performance.
 
This is interesting. Pre built major parts and pieces would make it easier with much less manpower and tech to build car than the older science project Nascar had I would think.
 
Well ya got part of it right with IMSA, but it isn't that simple. The goal is to balance the performance, not penalize anybody.
Some people will always miss the fundamental rule. The rule has been proved many times and it is If you let teams go without any boundaries, the racing series will eat itself in a short time. For example Can-Am from the mid 60's proved it with 1500 HP cars.
Anyway, here is how IMSA's BOP works.

IMSA’s technical team, led by the IMSA Technical Committee (ITC), collects and analyzes a wide range of data to assess each car’s performance. This includes telemetry from onboard data loggers (measuring things like speed, throttle position, and torque), timing and scoring data, wind tunnel tests, engine dynamometer results, and even real-world race performance. For some classes, like GTP and GT cars, advanced tools like driveshaft-mounted torque sensors have been introduced in recent years to measure power output directly at the wheels, providing a more accurate picture of a car’s capabilities.

Based on this data, IMSA adjusts specific parameters to balance the cars within each class. These adjustments can include:
  • Weight: Adding or removing ballast to alter a car’s minimum weight.
  • Power: Restricting engine output via air restrictors (for naturally aspirated engines), boost limits (for turbocharged engines), or fuel flow rates.
  • Aerodynamics: Modifying wing angles or other aero elements to adjust downforce and drag.
  • Fuel Capacity: Changing tank size or refueling rates to influence stint length and strategy.
The aim is to keep all cars within a tight performance window—typically 0.3% for GTP and GTLM classes (about 0.3 seconds over a 100-second lap) and 0.5% for GTD (0.5 seconds). This ensures close racing where no single manufacturer dominates due to raw performance.

Yeah, go read the list of BoP changes for Long Beach. It reads almost like a parody. About the only thing they left out is if the driver farts between lap 2 and 17, the RPM of his engine will be restricted by 75 RPM for the remainder of the race.

"All cars in the GTP class except for the BMW M Hybrid V8 receive weight adjustments since last month’s Mobil 1 Twelve Hours of Sebring, with the Aston Martin Valkyrie getting a 10 kg break, and both the Porsche 963 and Cadillac V-Series.R getting 9 kgs of less weight.

The Acura ARX-06, however has received a 5 kg increase in minimum weight, along with a 7 kW (9.3 hp) reduction in first-stage power levels below 230 km/h. Conversely, the Acura gets a 2.3 percent increase in power at speeds over 240 km/h.

Both the Cadillac and Porsche have also been hit with first-stage power reductions, to the tune of 13 kW (17 hp), although with increases of 2.1 percent and 2.4 percent at the second stage, respectively.
https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/wholesale-bop-changes-for-long-beach-for-gtp-gtd/#
The Valkyrie gets a 3 kW (4 hp) power reduction at the first stage, and a 0.2 percent increase at top end speeds, while the BMW has a 3 kW (4 hp) increase at low-end and a 1.1 percent boost at top-end speeds.

All nine of the GTD class manufacturers have underwent adjustments in power and weight to its cars, meanwhile.
Among the biggest weight changes include a massive 31 kg reduction for the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 GT3.R, a 27 kg break for the Ferrari 296 GT3 and 24 kg reduction for the Lexus RC F GT3.
Almost all of the GT3-spec cars have received weight breaks, but to smaller degrees, except for increases to the Porsche 911 GT3 R (+12 kg) and BMW M4 GT3 EVO (+9 kg).
The Mustang GT3 gets the largest low-end power adjustment at a 5.6 percent increase, compared to the Porsche at +4.8 percent and BMW at +4.5 percent."

Maybe this is what YOU want to see in auto racing, but it sure isn't want I want to see.
 
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