23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

[Revman]

Considering what their anti-trust issues are, it sounds to me like they want be able to split from the series and they want everything handed to them so they can do both. Race Nascar and wherever they want using Nascar's car and tracks and facilities.

Anti-trust issues.
1. Teams cannot race elsewhere
2. Teams cannot choose their own race car parts and suppliers
3. Tracks cannot hold other similar race events
4. NASCAR purchased competing race tracks (ISC) and race series (ARCA)

So, do you see the potential here as something similar? Sounds like it could be.....

 

[Revman]

Revman, I think that is my greatest fear. It’s easy for some fans to figuratively say “NASCAR is all wrong, they’ve got tons of money, so I hope those teams win this a stick it to the man!”. But the money in this sport HAS LIMITS for everyone. TV and sponsorship money is the largest chunk by far, with racetrack revenues from paying fans bringing up the rear. However this plays out, a significant loss by NASCAR will affect the sport. We don’t know how yet, but weakened or fractured racing organizations ultimately reflect back to the sport and fans.

I was so deep into CART at the time of the split. I had tickets next to a great guy named Barry, and he said the series was going in the tank. I wouldn't believe it. I mean CART was F1 level of polish and production at the time (F1 wasn't what it was now). The next season, with spec Coswrorths was a gut punch. Nobody came...the vibe was gone. Devastating.

...but it takes two to Tango.....figure this **** out. Fans will be the losers. The rich guys will still be rich. Do they care? We'll find out.

 

[Blaze]

I get that.. but also the absence of evidence is not evidence.

I'm probably wrong. Doesn't really matter though. Maybe I'm not. Maybe sometimes I bring up certain talking points just to make conversation.

The main thing that is important for me in all of this is pretty simple.. if the 22 Team Penske car is on track and I'm able to watch nascar races from home I'll be happy with whatever they have going on behind the scenes. It's none of my business really. If this doesn't cripple the sport idc what happens.

Also I have zero sympathy for these team owners complaining about their financial situations. They're all multi millionaires who could decide to disappear from racing tomorrow and live on an island somewhere for the rest of their lives and we wouldn't even notice they were gone.

Oh i agree it’s not , i just was giving a counterpoint since you wanted to assume it meant they didn’t want to go. There’s always plenty of possibilities. Other people to think about ya know? Maybe the person can’t go out to eat with friends, because they got no one to watch their kids. So they have to think about the kids. To put that in perspective for the team, maybe they didn’t want to rock the boat and risk putting people out of a job, or hurt sponsors. It’s also always possible that yeah teams didn’t have a problem with it. I think it’s silly to assume either way. But I forgot it til I read a little bit longer, but our little insider here, who has shown to be really reliable, he did say that they were teams rooting for 23 and FRM, that weighs a lot and makes me think that it’s a good chance teams wanted to join them but felt they couldn’t risk it.

 

[StandOnIt]

So, do you see the potential here as something similar? Sounds like it could be.....

It does to me also. If you could make other parts for the car, it could race in something else, a different class or organization/series. Forcing Nascar to open up their tracks to another competitive series opens up another door.

 

[Revman]

It does to me also. If you could make other parts for the car, it could race in something else, a different class or organization/series. Forcing Nascar to open up their tracks to another competitive series opens up another door.

Oh ****. I remember at the time of the CART/IRL split wishing that open wheel was more like NASCAR so this couldn't happen. Seriously, Orevicz's book....the egos destroyed that series.

 

[StandOnIt]

Oh ****. I remember at the time of the CART/IRL split wishing that open wheel was more like NASCAR so this couldn't happen. Seriously, Orevicz's book....the egos destroyed that series.

It would be pretty simple to do if they can get ahold of the car, even more so if they can be allowed to race on tracks that Nascar owns.

 

[virtualbalboa]

It does to me also. If you could make other parts for the car, it could race in something else, a different class or organization/series. Forcing Nascar to open up their tracks to another competitive series opens up another door.

You know who it really opens a door to? Indycar, by forcing NASCAR to negotiate with them in good faith when it comes to dates, sponsors, etc.

 

[SlicedBread22]

Oh i agree it’s not , i just was giving a counterpoint since you wanted to assume it meant they didn’t want to go. There’s always plenty of possibilities. Other people to think about ya know? Maybe the person can’t go out to eat with friends, because they got no one to watch their kids. So they have to think about the kids. To put that in perspective for the team, maybe they didn’t want to rock the boat and risk putting people out of a job, or hurt sponsors. It’s also always possible that yeah teams didn’t have a problem with it. I think it’s silly to assume either way. But I forgot it til I read a little bit longer, but our little insider here, who has shown to be really reliable, he did say that they were teams rooting for 23 and FRM, that weighs a lot and makes me think that it’s a good chance teams wanted to join them but felt they couldn’t risk it.

Yeah I do want to point out that I received information after saying that that I had not up to that point. It seems the other teams are in fact more on board than it seemed.

 

[Blaze]

Yeah I do want to point out that I received information after saying that that I had not up to that point. It seems the other teams are in fact more on board than it seemed.

Yeah I saw that as i was getting caught up.

Whatever makes things better for fans is what I hope for, if that’s things being made better for the teams, that’s what I want. Which is probably more likely what the better outcome would be in my opinion.

 

[SlicedBread22]

Yeah I saw that as i was getting caught up.

Whatever makes things better for fans is what I hope for, if that’s things being made better for the teams, that’s what I want. Which is probably more likely what the better outcome would be in my opinion.

Absolutely agree. In the end all we really want is some good racing. No matter what opinion any of us have about any of this. We all share that trait.