Air Gun Problems

I'd like to know why NASCAR is catching the flak for any air gun problem. The RTA asked for this to be implemented.
 
Spotter22 said:
I'd like to know why NASCAR is catching the flak for any air gun problem. The RTA asked for this to be implemented.
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I don't think it is coming from the owners, they are invested parties. The again the people have to use them could complain as an excuse for them being slower. Everyone needs a fall guy for their own short comings. :sarcasm:
 
When teams made their own guns, who could they blame the failures on but themselves? And then we have the ever present peanut gallery. :D Sounds like they are going to let them have their mega buck nozzles back though.
 
Somebody on FOX (DW? Larry Mac?) speculated Sunday that teams may have had similar numbers of gun problems when the teams were individually responsible, but that we just didn't hear about it. I haven't seen any stats, just the attention the 'problem' is getting now that NASCAR's taken over.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Somebody on FOX (DW? Larry Mac?) speculated Sunday that teams may have had similar numbers of gun problems when the teams were individually responsible, but that we just didn't hear about it. I haven't seen any stats, just the attention the 'problem' is getting now that NASCAR's taken over.
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Right, NASCAR the go to fall guy.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Somebody on FOX (DW? Larry Mac?) speculated Sunday that teams may have had similar numbers of gun problems when the teams were individually responsible, but that we just didn't hear about it. I haven't seen any stats, just the attention the 'problem' is getting now that NASCAR's taken over.
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When the equipment was under their control, the teams took care of the problems. No need to say anything. Now that NASCAR controls the equipment, what are they SUPPOSED to do? Just pretend there are no issues? Go complain to the hot dog vendor? When NASCAR agreed to take this on, they tacitly agreed to put up with all of the complaining that goes with it. No tears shed for them.
 
Formerjackman said:
When the equipment was under their control, the teams took care of the problems. No need to say anything. Now that NASCAR controls the equipment, what are they SUPPOSED to do? Just pretend there are no issues? Go complain to the hot dog vendor? When NASCAR agreed to take this on, they tacitly agreed to put up with all of the complaining that goes with it. No tears shed for them.
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They took on a job they were asked to do, so yes they will get blamed for it but its misplaced. NASCAR in turn could blame the company doing the air guns but they understand that passing around blame is lame and the way to handle it is to continue to problem solve and quit whining.
 
Formerjackman said:
When the equipment was under their control, the teams took care of the problems. No need to say anything. Now that NASCAR controls the equipment, what are they SUPPOSED to do? Just pretend there are no issues? Go complain to the hot dog vendor? When NASCAR agreed to take this on, they tacitly agreed to put up with all of the complaining that goes with it. No tears shed for them.
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I'm not excusing NASCAR. I'm wondering how much of this 'problem' is new. We don't have information about how often team-owned guns failed during a race. All we have is the media focus on NASCAR's management of them in 2018.

For all any of us know, the guns may actually be failing LESS often than previous seasons. :blink:
 
At least among the leaders, any slow pit stops are usually analyzed by the TV crew pretty good. Air gun malfunction comes up, but not very often. I would just like to know when NASCAR decided to make this change, how they decided on a supplier, how much input they got from the teams concerning what was chosen, and how much chance the teams got to work with the EXACT type of equipment they would be using before the season started.
 
Formerjackman said:
At least among the leaders, any slow pit stops are usually analyzed by the TV crew pretty good. Air gun malfunction comes up, but not very often. I would just like to know when NASCAR decided to make this change, how they decided on a supplier, how much input they got from the teams concerning what was chosen, and how much chance the teams got to work with the EXACT type of equipment they would be using before the season started.
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At one point Sunday I told my wife that NASCAR should purchase the guns from wherever Gibbs was getting them, to the same JGR specifications.
 
Formerjackman said:
At least among the leaders, any slow pit stops are usually analyzed by the TV crew pretty good. Air gun malfunction comes up, but not very often. I would just like to know when NASCAR decided to make this change, how they decided on a supplier, how much input they got from the teams concerning what was chosen, and how much chance the teams got to work with the EXACT type of equipment they would be using before the season started.
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Did you not read where the RTA wanted this done, not NASCAR?
 
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I love the top photo. (In case you are unfamiliar, a lollipop man is what the English call a school crossing guard).
 
Spotter22 said:
Why, why is this so hard to understand?
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When EXACTLY did NASCAR cede all of it's power to sanction the series over to the RTA? The RTA wanted a cheaper pit gun. I doubt their directive went a whole lot further than that. I'm pretty sure somebody at NASCAR came up with all of the specifics, and as always, the devil is in the details....
 
Formerjackman said:
When EXACTLY did NASCAR cede all of it's power to sanction the series over to the RTA? The RTA wanted a cheaper pit gun. I doubt their directive went a whole lot further than that. I'm pretty sure somebody at NASCAR came up with all of the specifics, and as always, the devil is in the details....
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This is how it works. The race teams are spending themselves out of sponsorship money, they ask for help from NASCAR. The RTA and NASCAR go over submitted bids from various organizations to provide pit guns and maintain them. Rules on when they are released to and returned to the teams, regulators used and the do's and donts are written.NASCAR oversees the rules, they didnt make the decision to do this, they were asked.
 
Formerjackman said:
When EXACTLY did NASCAR cede all of it's power to sanction the series over to the RTA? The RTA wanted a cheaper pit gun. I doubt their directive went a whole lot further than that. I'm pretty sure somebody at NASCAR came up with all of the specifics, and as always, the devil is in the details....
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The subject matter is air-driven pit guns, not sanctioning authority. The team owners granted themselves 36 charters for reasons far beyond the past, present or future value of the individual pieces of paper.
 
Spotter22 said:
This is how it works. The race teams are spending themselves out of sponsorship money, they ask for help from NASCAR. The RTA and NASCAR go over submitted bids from various organizations to provide pit guns and maintain them. Rules on when they are released to and returned to the teams, regulators used and the do's and donts are written.NASCAR oversees the rules, they didnt make the decision to do this, they were asked.
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Yes, NASCAR oversees the program, that makes them responsible for the details in my book. Was the RTA involved in who the supplier would be? If so, it's the first time I've heard it, which kind of makes my point. I asked some rather simple questions about how this whole process developed, and suddenly I'm a jerk for wanting to understand it better.
 
Formerjackman said:
When the equipment was under their control, the teams took care of the problems. No need to say anything. Now that NASCAR controls the equipment, what are they SUPPOSED to do? Just pretend there are no issues? Go complain to the hot dog vendor? When NASCAR agreed to take this on, they tacitly agreed to put up with all of the complaining that goes with it. No tears shed for them.
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The guy in the "Tool Crib" gets all the flack when a tool isn't right.
 
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