Alon Day And Duck Dynasty

The catch: In order to give Day a chance, the 63-year-old Levin had to personally guarantee $60,000 of his money – which he will take out of his retirement account, much to wife Lori’s chagrin. Levin is looking for a sponsor to cover the cost and give Day more time behind the wheel (the goal is five additional Xfinity races this season).
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Amazing. Seriously.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Amazing. Seriously.
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The part where he thinks he's gonna turn that 60k into 5 races? Or the part where Lori is mad at her Jewish husband for giving up the cash? Lmao.

In all seriousness, a race like today is exactly what Levin and Day needed. Dude got some solid, solid TV time. Right there with Andy Lally and Mario Gosselin.
 
It makes me uncomfortable that the NASCAR invocation usually is strictly Christian in that Jesus is included in the prayer. No good reason for that IMO. A prayer to God can embrace all religions, but a prayer to Jesus does not. I am a Christian but I see no reason to slight the Jewish community or other religions. This has bothered me for a while, and I'm sure is bothers Jewish owners, crewmen, and others.
 
LewTheShoe said:
It makes me uncomfortable that the NASCAR invocation usually is strictly Christian in that Jesus is included in the prayer. No good reason for that IMO. A prayer to God can embrace all religions, but a prayer to Jesus does not. I am a Christian but I see no reason to slight the Jewish community or other religions. This has bothered me for a while, and I'm sure is bothers Jewish owners, crewmen, and others.
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As an atheist, I'm not usually offended by invocations. They're just there with the pre-race concert, driver intros, displays of patriotism, and the national anthem. To me, they're all just stuff that comes before the green flag.

But I have heard several invocations over the years that have made me cringe for their obvious insensitivity to non-Christians on the track, in the stands, and watching from home. The MRO guys usually do a pretty good job staying non-sectarian. Track chaplains are an iffy bunch; some are better than others. Invited celebs are most likely to display no concern for those outside their own belief system.

Just one idjits opinion.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
As an atheist, I'm not usually offended by invocations. They're just there with the pre-race concert, driver intros, displays of patriotism, and the national anthem. To me, they're all just stuff that comes before the green flag.

But I have heard several invocations over the years that have made me cringe for their obvious insensitivity to non-Christians on the track, in the stands, and watching from home. The MRO guys usually do a pretty good job staying non-sectarian. Track chaplains are an iffy bunch; some are better than others. Invited celebs are most likely to display no concern for those outside their own belief system.

Just one idjits opinion.
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From one idjit to another I don't understand why Nascar races still have an invocation seeing we live in a secular country. Christianity is the default religion of the country which is why prayers may be offered in the name of Jesus but even the Bible speaks plainly that people honor Christianity with their lips yet their hearts are far away. One thing is for sure is that if everyone who claimed to be a Christian actually followed the tenets of Christianity the country would be markedly different.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
From one idjit to another I don't understand why Nascar races still have an invocation seeing we live in a secular country. Christianity is the default religion of the country which is why prayers may be offered in the name of Jesus but even the Bible speaks plainly that people honor Christianity with their lips yet their hearts are far away. One thing is for sure is that if everyone who claimed to be a Christian actually followed the tenets of Christianity the country would be markedly different.
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It's not just NASCAR. Many other sports events I've attended include a form of prayer. But those other sports don't usually included it and the anthem as part of the telecast. They have them before the scheduled TV start, during the broadcast of a national pre-game show that's usually looking at multiple games and doesn't focus on a single location's ceremonies. Only NASCAR includes them as part of the TV broadcast.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
It's not just NASCAR. Many other sports events I've attended include a form of prayer. But those other sports don't usually included it and the anthem as part of the telecast. They have them before the scheduled TV start, during the broadcast of a national pre-game show that's usually looking at multiple games and doesn't focus on a single location's ceremonies. Only NASCAR includes them as part of the TV broadcast.
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I had forgotten about the invocation before races as I haven't heard one since the last race I attended and these days I start watching at the drop of the green. I suppose it is just a tradition that has been going on for years but now the subject has been mentioned I am surprised there have not been complaints about it as people choose to be offended by so many things these days.

The worst invocations I recall hearing are the ones that are so watered down trying to appeal to everyone and offend no one. Personally I think it is far less offensive to have no invocation and a moment of silence then piss everyone off by giving some namby pamby quasi politically correct statement. JMO of course.
 
LewTheShoe said:
It makes me uncomfortable that the NASCAR invocation usually is strictly Christian in that Jesus is included in the prayer. No good reason for that IMO. A prayer to God can embrace all religions, but a prayer to Jesus does not. I am a Christian but I see no reason to slight the Jewish community or other religions. This has bothered me for a while, and I'm sure is bothers Jewish owners, crewmen, and others.
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If you know your Bible which all Christians are suppose to follow then you wouldn't be surprised. Do you know what a Christian is? The first half of the word should clue you in. A Christian is someone who believes in the resurrection do to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
The Bible tells you that "All Prayers" to the Heavenly Father must be through Jesus.
Why should we stop praying to our creator just because you may hurt the feeling of those who really want to kill you because your not part of their faith. The Jews killed Jesus so of course they deny his existence as the son of God. That is the God who created the universe and everything within including humans.
There are over 3000 different Gods so feel free to worship anyone you want but please let us have the same opportunity.

So From what the bible teaches, "your not a Christian".
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
From one idjit to another I don't understand why Nascar races still have an invocation seeing we live in a secular country. Christianity is the default religion of the country which is why prayers may be offered in the name of Jesus but even the Bible speaks plainly that people honor Christianity with their lips yet their hearts are far away. One thing is for sure is that if everyone who claimed to be a Christian actually followed the tenets of Christianity the country would be markedly different.
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Nascar has its roots in the south which is a Christian part of the States. The Carpetbaggers haven't killed it YET. :D
 
DUN24 said:
The part where he thinks he's gonna turn that 60k into 5 races? Or the part where Lori is mad at her Jewish husband for giving up the cash? Lmao.

In all seriousness, a race like today is exactly what Levin and Day needed. Dude got some solid, solid TV time. Right there with Andy Lally and Mario Gosselin.
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Just the fact that he put up his own money for it to start with.
 
I'm not religious at all. I'm pretty much an agnostic. But a prayer that appeals to the 95% of fans that are Christians makes sense. Shouldn't offend the 95 percent in sports to appease a small minority....this isn't government.

As to why they still have a prayer, these guys used to be putting their lives on the line, and I guess there is still a .00001% chance that someone could be seriously hurt today. A prayer for safety in that context makes sense.
 
Not a believer myself so I just skip all of the pre-race stuff as well. The Phil Robertson thing was over the line though, I think. Fortunately occurrences like that are rare.
 
Team Penske said:
If you know your Bible which all Christians are suppose to follow then you wouldn't be surprised. Do you know what a Christian is? The first half of the word should clue you in. A Christian is someone who believes in the resurrection do to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
The Bible tells you that "All Prayers" to the Heavenly Father must be through Jesus.
Why should we stop praying to our creator just because you may hurt the feeling of those who really want to kill you because your not part of their faith. The Jews killed Jesus so of course they deny his existence as the son of God. That is the God who created the universe and everything within including humans.
There are over 3000 different Gods so feel free to worship anyone you want but please let us have the same opportunity.

So From what the bible teaches, "your not a Christian".
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Revelation 3:16 essentially says that God wants Christian people to be hot and if you can't be hot then be cold. What He can't stand are those that are lukewarm and do the "namby pamby take what the Bible says out of context and make it fit what works for me thing." I believe the term used is that God will "spit them out of His mouth."

ToyYoda said:
Doesn't Judaism prohibit driving on Saturdays?
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Orthodox Jews are prohibited from even writing anything on the Sabbath. I don't know if you can type or print though!!!

29-4 said:
I'm not religious at all. I'm pretty much an agnostic. But a prayer that appeals to the 95% of fans that are Christians makes sense. Shouldn't offend the 95 percent in sports to appease a small minority....this isn't government.

As to why they still have a prayer, these guys used to be putting their lives on the line, and I guess there is still a .00001% chance that someone could be seriously hurt today. A prayer for safety in that context makes sense.
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I truly think a lot of it comes down to people choosing to be offended about something instead of choosing not to be offended. I agree with you that the overwhelming majority of fans at Nascar races would either embrace or be tolerant of a Christian prayer. In reality the number of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and adherents of other faiths attending Nascar events could be counted on the head of a pin.

FLRacingFan said:
Not a believer myself so I just skip all of the pre-race stuff as well. The Phil Robertson thing was over the line though, I think. Fortunately occurrences like that are rare.
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IDK anything about Phil Duck and his clan other than that they have some TV show and he said something a while back that got a lot of people hot under the collar. When watching a Nascar race I make sure I am either past the Boogity or GREEN FLAG IS IN THE AIR AGAIN moment before the sound is on and it works well for me.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Orthodox Jews are prohibited from even writing anything on the Sabbath. I don't know if you can type or print though!!!
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When I lived up in Ohio we lived not too far from a Jewish community, if you drove through there on a Saturday you would see a bunch of people walking to Temple. I think they have a pretty long list of stuff they can't do on Saturday, which is the Jewish sabbath day.
 
ToyYoda said:
When I lived up in Ohio we lived not too far from a Jewish community, if you drove through there on a Saturday you would see a bunch of people walking to Temple. I think they have a pretty long list of stuff they can't do on Saturday, which is the Jewish sabbath day.
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I agree as I don't think you can cook, drive, shop, use things that are made from glue or are perforated like paper towels and toilet paper, use the phone and other electronics and that is just from memory from when I lived near Hasidic Jews. I am sure the Jews like the Amish and others are adept at skirting the rules and the spirit of the rules through legalism.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
n reality the number of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and adherents of other faiths attending Nascar events could be counted on the head of a pin.
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I don't think that is accurate. We have Jewish car owners. We have Jewish sponsors reps. Not to mention potential sponsors and potential fans. Should there be a vote in the grandstands to determine whether NASCAR should embrace the Confederate flag and display it? No. Why is this different? NASCAR should choose to be open and welcoming to all.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I don't think that is accurate. We have Jewish car owners. We have Jewish sponsors reps. Not to mention potential sponsors and potential fans. Should there be a vote in the grandstands to determine whether NASCAR should embrace the Confederate flag and display it? No. Why is this different? NASCAR should choose to be open and welcoming to all.
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Due to your propensity for misquoting me, misrepresenting things I have said and attributing things to me that I didn't say I am going to pass on answering. I don't believe you have malice aforethought but I can get myself into enough trouble without the aid of anyone else......:D
 
Team Penske said:
... Why should we stop praying to our creator just because you may hurt the feeling of those who really want to kill you because your not part of their faith. ...
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No one is asking Christians to stop praying, either individually or collectively. But if there's going to be public prayer at an event that charges admission, it would take only a minimal effort to phrase that prayer to include as many as possible.

You're also assuming that everyone outside of your creed is out to get you. Most people of other religions have the same request you have - the freedom to worship peacefully without outside interference. When you start hurting feelings callously, that's when people start wanting to kill you.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
No one is asking Christians to stop praying, either individually or collectively. But if there's going to be public prayer at an event that charges admission, it would take only a minimal effort to phrase that prayer to include as many as possible.

You're also assuming that everyone outside of your creed is out to get you. Most people of other religions have the same request you have - the freedom to worship peacefully without outside interference. When you start hurting feelings callously, that's when people start wanting to kill you.
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What about atheists for whom any prayer may be offensive? What about satanists who would prefer a prayer to the devil than to any God? When you try to appease everyone in the name of political correctness, you often end up pleasing no one.
 
29-4 said:
What about atheists for whom any prayer may be offensive? What about satanists who would prefer a prayer to the devil than to any God? When you try to appease everyone in the name of political correctness, you often end up pleasing no one.
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So it's okay to offend people just because they're the minority?

Why have a formal pre-race prayer at all? Each interested individual is free to offer up his own prayer to the deity / demon / Flying Spaghetti Monster of his or her choice. If there was no formal pre-race prayer, how many in the stands do you think would be concerned enough to make the effort on their own? If I was a deity, I'd value a handful of sincerely offered personally worded prayers more than a larger number from a group who had to be reminded and led to do so. Fortunately, I'm not in the deity business this month.

What makes sporting events different from other forms of entertainment? We don't expect a public prayer before concerts, plays, ballets, etc. People are certainly free to do so on their own, but I'll bet few do.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
So it's okay to offend people just because they're the minority?
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Yes. Or the majority. Or anyone. We have too many "safe spaces" in modern America. NASCAR thrived for decades on being politically incorrect, no reason to change that.
 
29-4 said:
Yes. Or the majority. Or anyone. We have too many "safe spaces" in modern America. NASCAR thrived for decades on being politically incorrect, no reason to change that.
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That's fine as an individual, personal approach. I spent one weekend a month for 21 years defending our right to express whatever personal opinions we may have without government interference.

For a business like NASCAR, pissing people off is a good way wind up out of business. When you don't take care to avoid offending a small slice of your market, you may accidentally wind up upsetting large slices of your potential market too.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
No one is asking Christians to stop praying, either individually or collectively. But if there's going to be public prayer at an event that charges admission, it would take only a minimal effort to phrase that prayer to include as many as possible.

You're also assuming that everyone outside of your creed is out to get you. Most people of other religions have the same request you have - the freedom to worship peacefully without outside interference. When you start hurting feelings callously, that's when people start wanting to kill you.
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I really think that it is best to allow a 60 second period where people can pray, think good thoughts, take a mental vacation or whatever they deem best instead of having one belief system embraced. I know what I believe, why I believe it and how I came to believe it BUT I keep that sort of thing quiet unless someone in the real world asks me about it. I know what I think is right and wrong but I also believe in freewill and I don't want to be jamming something down another's throat and I sure don't want that it happen to me either.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That's fine as an individual, personal approach. I spent one weekend a month for 21 years defending our right to express whatever personal opinions we may have without government interference.

For a business like NASCAR, pissing people off is a good way wind up out of business. When you don't take care to avoid offending a small slice of your market, you may accidentally wind up upsetting large slices of your potential market too.
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Well Nascar certainly could write a book on how to alienate customers and shrink a large fan base.

I can't recall ever hearing of any person or organization getting mad about Nascar's invocation so either Nascar has the most tolerant fans on earth or has a very concentrated fan base. The lack of any squawking speaks volumes to me .
 
TexasRaceLady said:
It's not Podium material ---- yet. So let's keep it that way, please.

And it is a very interesting discussion.
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I find it quite interesting too and appreciate reading the comments of others and get their take on things. I think everyone has been very respectful of others.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
No one is asking Christians to stop praying, either individually or collectively. But if there's going to be public prayer at an event that charges admission, it would take only a minimal effort to phrase that prayer to include as many as possible.

You're also assuming that everyone outside of your creed is out to get you. Most people of other religions have the same request you have - the freedom to worship peacefully without outside interference. When you start hurting feelings callously, that's when people start wanting to kill you.
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People paid admission to watch a race.
Learn to be tolerant and not insist that everything about you.
We were taught in school that if you don't like the public prayer, say your own prayer at the same time. No one got offended. Now it is illegal to say a prayer in school or any government building for fear you may hurt some ones feelings.
So how is this great country doing so far with all prayer stopped.????
 
Charlie Spencer said:
... When you start hurting feelings callously, that's when people start wanting to kill you.
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If someone wants to literally kill over hurt feelings about their religion, IMHO that says a lot more about their "religion" than any unintentional offense NASCAR may have given by having a Christian invocation before the start of the race.

I mean WTF? Are people really that hypersensitive these days?

Have some fans really been surprised that there is a prayer at Nascar events?

The overwhelming majority of Nascars audience is Christian, and they do a prayer out of tradition, so what?

If you are not Christian, what do you care? That's a little extra time to look at your cell phone, take a restroom break, or check the barbecue.
 
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