Are We Seeing Fewer Wrecks In Cup This Year?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Tumbleweed, May 13, 2019.

  1. Tumbleweed

    Tumbleweed Team Owner

    I have absolutely no data to back this up and I may be all wet but it seems to me that we are seeing fewer wrecks, (or at least fewer bad wrecks) this year with the new package. It seems to me that you may see someone brush the wall now and then or even hit the wall fairly hard but other than that, I don’t remember many significant wrecks this year (other than Dega and Daytona).

    There seem to be a lot of “almost” wrecks but guys are usually able to gather their cars back up and keep going. Guys seem often able to recover from spins as well without hitting anyone or anything. There just doesn’t seem to be as much equipment torn up this year as in previous years. For example, if I remember correctly, out of a 40 car field in Kansas 1, there wasn’t a single car out of the race because of wreck damage.

    Like I said, I have no data to back this up and may be all wet but does anyone else see it that way? If it’s true, the owners must be loving it this year.
     
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  2. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Prolly aren’t going fast enough to wreck anymore :whoopee:
     
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  3. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    The things handle like slot cars and are easier to drive. The drivers keep saying that. Yes we have seen fewer wrecks and I don't even need stats to know that.
     
  4. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    I do have data thanks to collecting crash stats and we are on pace for fewest wrecks since the 80s
     
  5. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Only 1 car was out due to crash last year at Kansas in Oct
     
  6. NASCAR Apologist

    NASCAR Apologist Crew Chief

    There are fewer wrecks because the drivers are the best they've ever been. Don't read so much into it.
     
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  7. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    It has been trending downward for several years, and more so again this year. Yes.
     
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  8. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    I'll have to get my stats up when I'm back on my computer, I have every year of Cup other then 2004-2007 which I'm working on
     
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  9. mack

    mack Team Owner

  10. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    So Kyle IS better than Petty? :eek:
     
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  11. Tumbleweed

    Tumbleweed Team Owner

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  12. DaBiff1618

    DaBiff1618 Team Owner

    Guys can go wide open in qualifying while driving one handed so yes lol
     
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  13. Pandaz3

    Pandaz3 Jackman

    Well yes, but I believe it is the package. There was some good banging at Kansas.
     
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  14. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    Some of the ridiculous saves we've seen this year when guys get out of sorts don't happen in previous years. I don't need to explain why.
     
  15. mack

    mack Team Owner

    I guess it's an odd trade off. Would I rather see a phantom "debris" caution, and go to a commercial break, or go to commercials and miss racing action? I noticed in the race thread Saturday night, it was mentioned a time or two "Fox goes to a commercial break and we have a lead change", to paraphrase that. Its a no win situation. I'd like to see all of the race. Solutions anyone?
     
  16. nitetrain

    nitetrain Crew Chief

    Clint Boyer and Dale Jr. talked about this subject on Jr's podcast. Clint said the cars won't wreck anymore and Jr. agreed with him.
    Ever since the no ride height rule and the way the bodies are on the cars it is almost impossible to wreck or spin out. Clint said heck even touching bumpers now will straighten each other out .
    Clint said in a meeting about the Gen 7 cars that the cars need to be able to wreck. The others looked at him like he was crazy but Clint said " I mean the cars need to be able to spin out".

    Rick Mears said in a article that it takes more driver skill to drive high horsepower/low down force than low horsepower/ high downforce. I.e; today's cup cars are to easy to drive compared to the skills of the guys driving them. So end result less cautions.
     
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  17. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    I don’t watch racing for wrecks. My heart still jumps into my throat when anyone wrecks,
     
  18. Zerkfitting

    Zerkfitting Team Owner

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  19. ReturnTrip

    ReturnTrip Team Owner

    That was a sweet drift by Chase Elliott though. Maybe if they add some more rear downforce they can drift all the way through the corners.
     
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  20. NASCAR Apologist

    NASCAR Apologist Crew Chief

    Richard was a great driver but spent a lot of time running against farmers and milkmen. Kyle will always get the nod for GOAT for that.
     
  21. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I have a hard time reading much that Matt Weaver writes. This year was the first time he had been close to a dirt sprint car and he's full grown. He is pretty much an east coaster who has knowledge of the short track pavement scene there. Anything else he is out of his element IMO. He does a lot of knocking Nascar racing, but most of his knowledge is flawed.
     
  22. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I’ve been saying that since at least California.
     
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  23. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Short of a walking NASCAR encyclopedia like Pockrass, there aren't many in the NASCAR media contingent that have more pure racing knowledge than Weaver. He is definitely a southeastern late model guy, but he'd been to dirt races and even raced on dirt himself briefly, as his Dad was a dirt racer. He just hadn't been to a WoO show before this year. Credit to him for expanding his scope. I look for him to become one of the premier American auto racing journalists in coming years.

    I like Gluck personally too, nice guy, and Weaver's depth of knowledge is much, much greater.
     
  24. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    It is definitely not just the 2019 package. Wrecks were trending downward in the low downforce years too. Other factors are fewer field fillers and backmarkers, fewer damaged cars allowed back on the track, and greater overall reliability. The easier to drive (and certainly easier to save from spinning with the drastic increase in drag) cars are decreasing accidents even more.
     
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  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    dirt racer eh..bicycles?
     
  26. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    He's been covering USAC for years and attended races in Indiana. And yes, his father and he raced on dirt at the local level. Jeez. You get so biased against anyone who isn't pro-package that you lose your wits. There were other NASCAR media people covering their first WoO race this year in Vegas.

    Gluck went to his first WoO race last fall. He'd be the first to tell you that Weaver knows more about the technical aspects of racing. Many others haven't been at all. It's a niche thing, as you know.
     
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  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Sure would be nice to see all of this second hand knowledge in print. But it really doesn't matter, full grown and haven't seen a sprint car tells it all for me. I Prefer to read Kelly Crandall's articles. Much less bias, wins reporting awards, not a 10%er..

     
  28. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Fewer wrecks is a large component to fewer cautions. As D.W. likes to say cautions breed cautions. There are wrecks and there are WRECKS. The cars need to be tougher so they don't become wrecks, even a light brush with the wall creates problems when racing hard. The drivers racing on the track are tip toeing around these days with a tin foil thick car afraid to touch anybody because it could damage them more than who they hit could also be improved. The Xfinity composite body is the way to go, those things are light and tough. I think we would see a lot more pushing and shoving going on.
     
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  29. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    No, it doesn't matter. You decided you didn't like him because he has a different opinion of the package. I've talked to him, so if you prefer to believe I decided to invent a fake backstory for him, go ahead.

    Kelly Crandall is a bright young reporter as well and doing good work. I say that without knowing how many WoO races she has attended.



     
  30. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    didn't say I didn't like him. Don't be putting words in my mouth Bud. Here is what I said: He does a lot of knocking Nascar racing, but most of his knowledge is flawed
     
  31. Tumbleweed

    Tumbleweed Team Owner

    They could do like ESPN did with the F1 races when they started running commercials during the final few races last year, i.e. delay the race broadcast for the duration of the commercials and return to the race at exactly the point they left it when the first commercials first started.

    That way no racing action is missed.
     
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  32. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    Just run the best organic races possible. I would rather miss a few moments of green TV time, than poisoning the actual race.
     
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  33. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Dell Junyer retired.
     
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  34. mack

    mack Team Owner

    Ward Burton to me Dell Junah "retahd". An he ain't comin back. leese not fuuul time.
     
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  35. DSquad48

    DSquad48 Wizard/Mall Santa

    oooo please share
     
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  36. DIDIT

    DIDIT Old School Fan

    I agree with you. While I never want to see anyone hurt, wrecks are an exciting part of racing. That is definitely missing and I think without wrecks new fans will be hard to come by.
     
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  37. Privateer

    Privateer Crew Chief

    I don't want to say "we need more wrecks", but lack of wrecks demonstrates that no one is riding on the edge of being in control.
     
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  38. DIDIT

    DIDIT Old School Fan

    Perhaps they have that new fancy adaptive cruise control, emergency braking system and blind spot indicators in their mirrors like the new Buick.
     
  39. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    But it was better back in the day!
    :sarcasm:
     
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  40. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    I do have a few years posted in a thread called crash stats and some other series too, I didnt want to post everything until I get all the seasons done because I was trying to figure out who has crashed most in NASCAR history, right now I'd guess just based off of what I can guess is Richard Petty, Kurt Busch and Jimmy Spencer are leading the pack
     

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