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little>E
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all gordon fans here lol. ok
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racerx11
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Whatever floats your boat, but tin foil doesn't really work. You need a lead hat.Originally posted by Flamebow@Apr 25 2004, 05:40 PM
Do we need to dig out our tin foil hats?
Yep. We're all here now.
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cutiepie24
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Flamebow
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It's been a while since I've heard the Jeff/Nascar conspiracy theories. It's just like the good old days! Yeeeeeehaaaaaaaa! :lol:
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DE_Wrangler_2
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Yeah...........maybe the tide is shifting back to Jeffy!!
I was getting tired of the Jr conspiracy stuff anyway!! 
Do we need to call Muldar and Scully?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Flamebow
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little>e, may I just ask how many races you've seen?
LOL i love it when the angered rear their heads. What would he have done if a no name rookie came in and beat JR? Its a race, for ENTERTAINMENT has absolutely nothing to do with anyone of us liking one driver over the other.
PS, it was nice to se JG win one again even if by a yellow/red flag.
Im hoping to see the kelloggs car in the circle next week.
PS, it was nice to se JG win one again even if by a yellow/red flag.
Im hoping to see the kelloggs car in the circle next week.
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Luckydvl29
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My oh MY...........Some of these "racing fans" really need to grow up!!! The only thing I was ticked off about was the fact that they ended under yellow! And the sickening display of "FANS" throwing debris on the track! Now that was disgusting.
Am I upset cause Jr finished 2nd? Heck no!!! Great Finish Jr!!!
Am I upset cause Jeff won? Naaaaaaaa its been awhile!! Way to go Jeff!!!!
Have a great day ya'll!
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Am I upset cause Jr finished 2nd? Heck no!!! Great Finish Jr!!!
Am I upset cause Jeff won? Naaaaaaaa its been awhile!! Way to go Jeff!!!!
Have a great day ya'll!
Luckydvl
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BIG E FAN
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This race was travesty to NASCAR fans (true fans). Mike Helton and Nextel has ruined what us true nascar fans have come to love. NASCAR and Helton had to make up for last weekend for crying JG. This new rule of freezing the feild when yellow comes out is good for safety, but it really takes away from racing by causing to long of yellows for sorting out the feild . Some driver needs to step up and speak for the drivers and fans. Us true fans of NASCAR do not care for the tv coverage and the money hungry Frances.
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Luckydvl29
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By the way........i thought Harvick was 3rd????
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RobbyG Fan
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You know... I really dont like Jeff Gordon, but this was actually the very first time I can say (and probably will ever say) that I am happy he won.
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smack500
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I know dale jr fans are not complaining about favortism towards certain drivers ( I know not all). Some of you must have memory problems, anyone else remember a little incident involving dale jr and the yellow line rule...
If dale jr had been determined to be in front of jeff went the caution came out, and he won none of you would be complaining.
If dale jr had been determined to be in front of jeff went the caution came out, and he won none of you would be complaining.
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DE_Wrangler_2
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By my count you mentioned "true fans" or "true NASCAR fans" three times. I'd like for someone to define just exactly what a "true fan" of NASCAR really is. All I can gather from folks who constantly elude to the "true fan" term is that a "true fan" must hate the sanctioning body (NASCAR). Not be particularly happy that the major sponsor of NASCAR is no longer R J Reynolds (Winston). Hate "young guns". Hate "cookie cutters". Hate restrictor plates. Hate road courses. Hate the racing back the caution. Thinks the SAFER barriers are ruining the tracks. Hate the TV contracts that provide us live coverage during the season. Hate the aerodynamic packages for tracks. Hate the inspection process. And a whole bunch of things about the sport that I don't have time or desire to type out.
My question is: Just what is that a "true fan" likes about the sport? I mean why do you watch it? Why do you find it necessary to come to a forum and post your hatred of the sport?
I've been watching this game of cars going to circles for just under 25 years........but I've yet to attain that pedestal you are on. That "true fan" pedestal. Enlighten me so I, too can, be a "true fan".
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sm51757
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Ol Gordo should have been proud of that win...hell i drive a 1985 chevy Caveliar and it will go 65 mph... he should have a party ...winning at 65 miles per hour ohhhhhhhhhh im so impressed
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smack500
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my how people forget about 4 championships and 60+ wins so quickly.
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DE_Wrangler_2
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Smack are you ever going to let that go? I've seen that tape probably more times than you. It was a judgement call.....it's done. It's over. And it was last season.........geeze, I think a year is plenty of time to beat that horse.
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smack500
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my point is that is was a very close judgement call that in several cases before it was ruled in the oposite way then it was on that ocasion. Now a year later the same fans who were saying we need to accept nascars decision are now booing when there on the other side. Even though I dont find anything that happened today questionable.
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DE_Wrangler_2
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I've only heard a couple trolls booing..............not one regular member on this forum who is a Jr fan boo NASCAR's decision.
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Windsor377
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I see the new "more exciting" nascar, is in fact, creating more excitement.
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smack500
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You are right on that count. I apologize I went a little overboard its just I have a bunch of hardcore jr fan friends, and I have been hearing this same stuff ever since the race ended.
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RobbyG Fan
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To the Junior fans complaining about the call:
Blame your driver's fans, not Nascar! Had Junior's fans kept their Bud cans in their hands, the race probably would have been restarted, but since they decided to litter to track, of course they wont start restart the race over an obstacle course of aluminum.
Brendan Gaughan:
"It's amazing how Junior fans there are. They need to just take a break. We may have been able to restart it and go green, white, checkered if they hadn't thrown all those beer cans on the racetrack. It's not my call. It's NASCAR's call. If there's time to finish under green, then let's do it. The fans created that unsafe situation there, and it's a shame. Have a little respect for what we do. Jeff Gordon won that race. Sorry Junior can't win 'em all."
Well said Brendan.
Blame your driver's fans, not Nascar! Had Junior's fans kept their Bud cans in their hands, the race probably would have been restarted, but since they decided to litter to track, of course they wont start restart the race over an obstacle course of aluminum.
Brendan Gaughan:
"It's amazing how Junior fans there are. They need to just take a break. We may have been able to restart it and go green, white, checkered if they hadn't thrown all those beer cans on the racetrack. It's not my call. It's NASCAR's call. If there's time to finish under green, then let's do it. The fans created that unsafe situation there, and it's a shame. Have a little respect for what we do. Jeff Gordon won that race. Sorry Junior can't win 'em all."
Well said Brendan.
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DE_Wrangler_2
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Go beat up on you hard core buds!! I'm a hard core bud of yours, too...........I hope!! But, I'm on your side on this one!!
I'm a hard core bud of yours, too...........I hope!! But, I'm on your side on this one!! 
racer8
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I really like the way people assume it was JR's fans throwing stuff on the track. In my eyes people that do that aren't fans at all.
I say 2nd place is better than 42nd and I am plenty happy with the results.
I think I'll crack open a cold Bud and toss the can in the recycle bin.
I say 2nd place is better than 42nd and I am plenty happy with the results.
I think I'll crack open a cold Bud and toss the can in the recycle bin.
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BIG E FAN
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By my count you mentioned "true fans" or "true NASCAR fans" three times. I'd like for someone to define just exactly what a "true fan" of NASCAR really is. All I can gather from folks who constantly elude to the "true fan" term is that a "true fan" must hate the sanctioning body (NASCAR). Not be particularly happy that the major sponsor of NASCAR is no longer R J Reynolds (Winston). Hate "young guns". Hate "cookie cutters". Hate restrictor plates. Hate road courses. Hate the racing back the caution. Thinks the SAFER barriers are ruining the tracks. Hate the TV contracts that provide us live coverage during the season. Hate the aerodynamic packages for tracks. Hate the inspection process. And a whole bunch of things about the sport that I don't have time or desire to type out.
My question is: Just what is that a "true fan" likes about the sport? I mean why do you watch it? Why do you find it necessary to come to a forum and post your hatred of the sport?
I've been watching this game of cars going to circles for just under 25 years........but I've yet to attain that pedestal you are on. That "true fan" pedestal. Enlighten me so I, too can, be a "true fan". [/b][/quote]
This True NASCAR fan have been wathcing for 30+ years. When the drivers decided the races not NASCAR or fuel mileage or cautions for commmercials to pay for Frances, Helton, or NEXTEL. The change to the point system is BS. The heritage of NASCAR is being made a mockery of. The change of date for the SOUTHERN 500 is another example of money hungry NEXTEL and NASCAR. The days of real racing is about gone. The taking of races from the mainstays of the REAL NASCAR Heitage has changed the face of the sport that I love. The drivers have become a bunch of robots for Sanctioning body of NASCAR. As you so put it. I believe in my heart that if the intimidator was still racing this craaaap that NASCAR and NEXTAL calls racing would not be. The fans deserve better than 50+laps of caution and the way races are ending. No I'm not a JR fan. but this race was another example of murder to NASCAR.
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DE_Wrangler_2
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As a huge fan of Dale Earnhardt, I say it's time to get past it........he's not with us anymore. The sport did not die with him. He left his mark and will forever be remembered for it. And, I don't think you are correct in your assessment of where the sport would be if he had not died.......you're in dreamland, my friend. Yeah, he was a big influence on what happened in the sport, but he was not the God you make him out to be........he was a racer (a good one. Perhaps the best ever, but just a racer). But thanks for your attempt at answering my questions. I still don't know what a "true fan" is though.
Sorry Big E Fan, but I just can't bring myself to agree with you. I don't care for the wholesale changes over the past few years, but safety, business decisions, et al seem to be a good thing in the long run. I have REALLY been a race fan for more than 50 years and as much as some changes have irked me, overall it's a good thing no matter how much we bit##.....my 2 cents only
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Flamebow
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BIG E FAN ...
I've not been watching for 30+ years, but I've sat out in the pouring rain waiting for a break in the clouds for the race to start and I've sat freezing my buns off on metal seats cheering for my favorites. I love Nascar and the day I don't, I'll just stop watching and go off and do something else. Until that day comes, I am a true fan and I don't need anyone else to define me. Cheers.
I've not been watching for 30+ years, but I've sat out in the pouring rain waiting for a break in the clouds for the race to start and I've sat freezing my buns off on metal seats cheering for my favorites. I love Nascar and the day I don't, I'll just stop watching and go off and do something else. Until that day comes, I am a true fan and I don't need anyone else to define me. Cheers.
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Patrick9999
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Wow! One would think a race has never ended under caution before. Where were all the complainers YESTERDAY??? huh?
Considering 90 % of the fans appear to be DEjr's fans.....I too find it amazing that HIS fans would get the blame for throwing trash.
Considering 90 % of the fans appear to be DEjr's fans.....I too find it amazing that HIS fans would get the blame for throwing trash.
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DE_Wrangler_2
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That 90% number is a little optimistic!! This forum is probably comprised of approximately the same driver fan base as the general NASCAR fan base. I don't think 90% of the members here are Jr fans!! Maybe 90% of the member here don't hate Jr, but that's not the same as 90% are Jr fans.
This forum is probably comprised of approximately the same driver fan base as the general NASCAR fan base. I don't think 90% of the members here are Jr fans!! Maybe 90% of the member here don't hate Jr, but that's not the same as 90% are Jr fans.
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Patrick9999
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point taken.
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Gollum
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:lol: MY My I leave a couple of hours and still the debate rages.
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BIG E FAN
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You are correct on one thing he was the best and always will be. The assumption that NASCAR would be the same as it is today if he was alive could be right but he was a driver that stood up to the sanctioning butt heads. I only watch these days for hoping some driver to take on the dummies who have never been in a stock car. Some body on this forum said the new exciting NASCAR, but how could 50+ laps of caution be exciting. The sanctioning body has put the bumping, paint swapping, competetion on the list of things that can't be done in this new era of so called racing for the whiny. The fines and probation for the things that made racing. If you watched racing for 25+ years you know that banging, paint swapping, rivals, spinning others out, was the most exciting racing. Not this if you touch that other car again you will be fined or suspended. TRY THIS FOR A TRUE NASCAR FAN WATCHED EVERY SUNDAY , SATURDAY NIGHT RACE AND CHEERED FOR MY FAVORITE DRIVER NO MATTER WHERE HE FINISHED. IF HE WRECKED DID'T LEAVE OR TURNED OFF THE TV LIKE THE SO CALLED FANS WHO GET UP AND LEAVE (24 FANS). WHO WOULD SPEND THE LAST DIME TO GO SEE THE RACE. FANS OF NASCAR WHEN NASCAR WAS ABOUT THE DRIVER AND THE MACHINE NOT OF THE PIT CREW, GAS MILEAGE, OR WHO COULD WHINE THE MOST.
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Flamebow
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Question .......... do racing-forums trolls usually have multiple personality disorders, or is this a recent development? 
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cutiepie24
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personally I think it is a dead subject now and everything has been said that is gonna be said and I wish it would end now......
I HATE BICKERING
people that have to have the last word, the last say....WHO CARES ANYMORE? I SURE AND H DON'T......... :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:Originally posted by Flamebow@Apr 25 2004, 08:50 PM
Question .......... do racing-forums trolls usually have multiple personality disorders, or is this a recent development?
Unfortunately, it's pretty common. But, they usually come in bunches, but they don't stick around for very long.
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cutiepie24
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:lol: :lol:Originally posted by majestyx+Apr 25 2004, 05:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (majestyx @ Apr 25 2004, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Flamebow@Apr 25 2004, 08:50 PM
Question .......... do racing-forums trolls usually have multiple personality disorders, or is this a recent development?
Unfortunately, it's pretty common. But, they usually come in bunches, but they don't stick around for very long.
[/b][/quote]boy i sure noticed a ton of new ones on and like you said, they come in..make the trouble and leave and are forever gone......
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Eagle1
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You are correct on one thing he was the best and always will be. The assumption that NASCAR would be the same as it is today if he was alive could be right but he was a driver that stood up to the sanctioning butt heads. I only watch these days for hoping some driver to take on the dummies who have never been in a stock car. Some body on this forum said the new exciting NASCAR, but how could 50+ laps of caution be exciting. The sanctioning body has put the bumping, paint swapping, competetion on the list of things that can't be done in this new era of so called racing for the whiny. The fines and probation for the things that made racing. If you watched racing for 25+ years you know that banging, paint swapping, rivals, spinning others out, was the most exciting racing. Not this if you touch that other car again you will be fined or suspended. TRY THIS FOR A TRUE NASCAR FAN WATCHED EVERY SUNDAY , SATURDAY NIGHT RACE AND CHEERED FOR MY FAVORITE DRIVER NO MATTER WHERE HE FINISHED. IF HE WRECKED DID'T LEAVE OR TURNED OFF THE TV LIKE THE SO CALLED FANS WHO GET UP AND LEAVE (24 FANS). WHO WOULD SPEND THE LAST DIME TO GO SEE THE RACE. FANS OF NASCAR WHEN NASCAR WAS ABOUT THE DRIVER AND THE MACHINE NOT OF THE PIT CREW, GAS MILEAGE, OR WHO COULD WHINE THE MOST. [/b][/quote]
Ok, if you add going to weekly races Tuesday thru Sunday every week from the time I was in 1st grade up through High school till I joined the Marine Corps. My Uncles raced as did my stepdad in the Conn., Mass circut. I raced as well in the 70's and 80's and still disagree with most of you that go around flying the " I'm a traditional racing fan" There are many on these boards that may not be southerners but are long time loyal fans of this great sport.