Bonehead of the Week: Las Vegas II

Call it the Ty Dillon award this week. It’s an egregious mistake he wasn’t waving out the window to pit when you had a race winning car that close behind you on the track
 
Dishonorable mention to the 9 crew for not having a warm body in place to track down stray tires. I have never liked the concept of rolling tires to the pit wall anyway, but with the reduced over the wall crew, you don't have much choice. Back in the old days when I carried tires with 7 crewmen, you took the old one back to the wall and grabbed your new left side tire.
 
Ty Dillon and/or his spotter. I put it more on Ty because he almost a whole lane above the white line. He ended Bryon's day and changed the outcome of the race.
 
MRM said:
Ty Dillon and/or his spotter. I put it more on Ty because he almost a whole lane above the white line. He ended Bryon's day and changed the outcome of the race.
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If you want an example of why I hate this playoff format, two of my favorites likely won't advance over something as simple as an uncontrolled tire and a wreck caused by something totally out of my driver's control. Racing has too many variables to determine a champion over such a small sample size.
 
Formerjackman said:
If you want an example of why I hate this playoff format, two of my favorites likely won't advance over something as simple as an uncontrolled tire and a wreck caused by something totally out of my driver's control. Racing has too many variables to determine a champion over such a small sample size.
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Formerjackman said:
If you want an example of why I hate this playoff format, two of my favorites likely won't advance over something as simple as an uncontrolled tire and a wreck caused by something totally out of my driver's control. Racing has too many variables to determine a champion over such a small sample size.
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Gonna slightly play devil's advocate. An uncontrolled tire might be out of the driver's control, but very much part of the TEAM'S control. That's like saying football playoffs shouldn't count because something outside the QB's control happened. However important a driver may be, it is still a team sport.

As for the Dillon/Byron issue, this is just another case of bad rules enforcement at a time when rules should be HEAVILY enforced for non-playoff drivers. Dillon was on the track and driving below minimum speed. **** like that needs to be cracked down on.

Every week I am calling out a driver who interferes with a playoff driver as something that should not be tolerated, but NASCAR refuses to enforce it. The problem isn't that they have playoffs, it's for refusing to act like playoff drivers are more important than the rest of the field. They are more important, and every non-driver needs to be told to stay the **** out of their way.

If you don't like the concept of playoffs, that's fine, as it is an outlier in motorsports, but I don't think playoffs are the problem. I think they have created fantastic moments, some of the most exciting of the modern era. If you are going to have playoffs, take them seriously. Get rid of the round of 16, hold non-playoff drivers to higher interference standards, and make this system matter.
 
kckolbe said:
The problem isn't that they have playoffs, it's for refusing to act like playoff drivers are more important than the rest of the field. They are more important, and every non-driver needs to be told to stay the **** out of their way.
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We disagree. Playoff drivers aren't more important. The other drivers have every right to compete for the best possible finishing position. Indeed, they have that responsibility, as stated in the rules. They're not out there just to give the playoff drivers something to pass. They have fans and sponsors too.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
We disagree. The other drivers have every right to compete for the best possible finishing position. Indeed, they have that responsibility, as stated in the rules. They're not out there just to give the playoff drivers something to pass. They have fans and sponsors too.
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And that's a valid stance. My feeling is that if that's how NASCAR feels, get rid of playoffs. But if they are going to keep playoffs, commit to it. I am pro-playoff, sure, but I'd MUCH rather no playoffs than half-assed playoffs.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
We disagree. Playoff drivers aren't more important. The other drivers have every right to compete for the best possible finishing position. Indeed, they have that responsibility, as stated in the rules. They're not out there just to give the playoff drivers something to pass. They have fans and sponsors too.
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One of the many reasons why the playoffs are a clown show. All it takes is one clown to screw up a season.
 
Another reason it is a clown show is that Nascar isn't going to eliminate the field down to 8 cars on the track, their architecture wouldn't allow it. They would lose most of their teams in a heartbeat if they did. So we as fans are supposed to ignore what we see year in year out as a legitimate way to award a championship.
 
kckolbe said:
Gonna slightly play devil's advocate. An uncontrolled tire might be out of the driver's control, but very much part of the TEAM'S control. That's like saying football playoffs shouldn't count because something outside the QB's control happened. However important a driver may be, it is still a team sport.

As for the Dillon/Byron issue, this is just another case of bad rules enforcement at a time when rules should be HEAVILY enforced for non-playoff drivers. Dillon was on the track and driving below minimum speed. **** like that needs to be cracked down on.

Every week I am calling out a driver who interferes with a playoff driver as something that should not be tolerated, but NASCAR refuses to enforce it. The problem isn't that they have playoffs, it's for refusing to act like playoff drivers are more important than the rest of the field. They are more important, and every non-driver needs to be told to stay the **** out of their way.

If you don't like the concept of playoffs, that's fine, as it is an outlier in motorsports, but I don't think playoffs are the problem. I think they have created fantastic moments, some of the most exciting of the modern era. If you are going to have playoffs, take them seriously. Get rid of the round of 16, hold non-playoff drivers to higher interference standards, and make this system matter.
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I'm not disputing that the uncontrolled tire was a team issue and shouldn't impact the 9 car, but should it erase a 32 week body of work? Me thinks not.
 
Formerjackman said:
I'm not disputing that the uncontrolled tire was a team issue and shouldn't impact the 9 car, but should it erase a 32 week body of work? Me thinks not.
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Technically, it isn't this penalty that erases the season's performance. It's the repeated points resets that deliberately reduce any substantial gains made to a handful of points.

But it all sucks like a turbocharged shop vac.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Technically, it isn't this penalty that erases the season's performance. It's the repeated points resets that deliberately reduce any substantial gains made to a handful of points.

But it all sucks like a turbocharged shop vac.
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I don't disagree with your take there, but I guess what I would have to ask is without the points reset, does the current playoff format make sense on ANY level?
 
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