Bonehead of the week: Phoenix

I'm going with FOX coverage. They seem to point the cameras predominately at the jibbs toyoders, all 5 of them. The guys that need the coverage/ exposure are running in the back and really could use the extra cash to continue to race week in and out. If they aim the cameras at the 25th and back cars,( at least for a lap or 2 on each car) the sponsors may feel like they are getting their monies worth and keep showing up. TV coverage is one of the big reasons why the the number of race teams are declining. The 14 car finished 6th, who'd know? All 4 haas cars in the top 10, but i didnt know until after the race, but every 10 minutes they showed where the top performing toyoders were. geez its a 3 hour tour, a 3 hour tour. They could find some time for the smaller teams but they dont. It really seems to me and others that toyoder is paying Fox for extra "more" coverage, Not the 30th place toyoder though, just the "elite". On a positive note, Tiger Woods finished 2nd on Sunday and it was on the "other " channel at the same time.
 
Team Penske said:
All the apples in 1 basket?
Penske isn't challenging and RFR hasn't for years.
Heck even Blaney was running better in the WB #21.
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The model is there for the Ford teams to be successful, they just have to put it together like the 4 did. He doesnt have anything Ford doesnt give the others.
 
Contrary to the guy that said they were focused on the Toyotas, it seemed like every time Blaney got passed or went loose toward the fence they embarrassingly had a camera on him. :D
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
I never said the race wasn't sold out I said there were empty seats which were clearly visible. It is possible the race sold out and seats went unused or the track got creative.
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AtomicPunk55 said:
One couldn't help but notice the number of seats that went unsold so I hope they made the section with less capacity.
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Don't worry, I'm sure you will find empty seats to count - and wallow in - on some future race weekend. When you do, all will be well with your world once again.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Don't worry, I'm sure you will find empty seats to count - and wallow in - on some future race weekend. When you do, all will be well with your world once again.
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I am good with overflowing crowds or Brickyard sized ones as it is nothing I can control or anything for me to worry about. BTW Jim and I have no time to wallow in the mire so lets hope for spiffy crowd next race. Who is with me?
 
Team Penske said:
All the apples in 1 basket?
Penske isn't challenging and RFR hasn't for years.
Heck even Blaney was running better in the WB #21.
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What? Jeez fair weather fan much? One bad race and that's it eh? Lol You know Joey led the standings going into Phoenix right?

I vote @Team Penske be forced to change his name :D

JK of course.. well about that last part anyway
 
kyle18fan said:
You should have ...... it might be our last though, after seeing what this ISM outfit is doing.
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kyle18fan said:
Ticket prices going thru the roof .. pit passes doubling in price ..... no cool events around the track ( freestyle and such)
PIR has always been a very affordable and super fun place .......... that can be ruined very easily by the wrong management.
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I thought ISM just had the naming rights? Isn't Phoenix still an ISC track? Or did you mean ISC in the first place? :blink:

Incidentally, anybody know what ISM is or does? Googling the letters turns up the Institute for Supply Management. I know who they are, and I doubt they have the budget or interest in track naming rights.

EDIT: Never mind; @gnomesayin had already posted about them over in the 'Random' discussion.
 
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Charlie Spencer said:
I thought ISM just had the naming rights? Isn't Phoenix still an ISC track? Or did you mean ISC in the first place? :blink:

Incidentally, anybody know what ISM is or does? Googling the letters turns up the Institute for Supply Management. I know who they are, and I doubt they have the budget or interest in track naming rights.

EDIT: Never mind; @gnomesayin had already posted about them over in the 'Random' discussion.
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Naming rights or not, there are BIG changes coming. Weekend pit pass will go from 60 dollars to over 120 dollars .. ticket prices are going up considerably as well. What used to be an affordable experience will soon turn into one that's not so affordable.
 
kyle18fan said:
Naming rights or not, there are BIG changes coming. Weekend pit pass will go from 60 dollars to over 120 dollars .. ticket prices are going up considerably as well. What used to be an affordable experience will soon turn into one that's not so affordable.
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You can get a ticket from $42-$72 for the Cup race in November. Thats cheap for a Major professional sport, hell even the 112.00 ticket isnt bad.
 
kyle18fan said:
Naming rights or not, there are BIG changes coming. Weekend pit pass will go from 60 dollars to over 120 dollars .. ticket prices are going up considerably as well. What used to be an affordable experience will soon turn into one that's not so affordable.
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I'm asking if those changes are due to ISM's involvement, or would they have been made by track owner ISC regardless of the sale of naming rights? You initially blamed ISM; why do you pin responsibility on them?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm asking if those changes are due to ISM's involvement, or would they have been made by track owner ISC regardless of the sale of naming rights? You initially blamed ISM; why do you pin responsibility on them?
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I am not involved in the business .. ISM is the name of the track that just doubled the price of a weekend pitt pass. I cannot afford 120 dollars
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I thought ISM just had the naming rights? Isn't Phoenix still an ISC track? Or did you mean ISC in the first place? :blink:

Incidentally, anybody know what ISM is or does? Googling the letters turns up the Institute for Supply Management. I know who they are, and I doubt they have the budget or interest in track naming rights.

EDIT: Never mind; @gnomesayin had already posted about them over in the 'Random' discussion.
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Read an article yesterday about all the video boards at NASCAR tracks are by ISM except Indianapolis and they scan your face as you watch them.

Not the article I read but pretty similar write up here
http://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/20990688/nascar-being-watched-watch
 
I will let others decide what is fair and isn’t fair for pit passes and tickets. However if prices are being doubled they were either stupid cheap to begin with or stupid expensive now. At a time when crowds are getting smaller each year doubling the price for some items is not very smart. A father that wants to take his son into the pits and the race is going to have to dig deep
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
I will let others decide what is fair and isn’t fair for pit passes and tickets. However if prices are being doubled they were either stupid cheap to begin with or stupid expensive now. At a time when crowds are getting smaller each year doubling the price for some items is not very smart. A father that wants to take his son into the pits and the race is going to have to dig deep
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Kids under 17.....20 bucks for the stands
 
Spotter22 said:
You have to go in to the pits everyday? Sunday pass is 89.00
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I would just as soon ... we always do. The price will be double ... you can't minimize that. My opinion is that they are going backward as a lot of the changes will have an effect on my experience there. I will go .. if I can afford to and see what it looks like in Nov.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Can you afford race tickets? You're complaining about the cost of an extra, an add-on.
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The tickets will be quite a bit more for decent seats . from what I have seen. Will I be able to afford 3 days at the track ? It will be difficult .... its difficult now and we get deals. If my "complaining" bothers you then ignore my posts. I am posting my feelings on a subject :idunno:
 
kyle18fan said:
The tickets will be quite a bit more for decent seats . from what I have seen. Will I be able to afford 3 days at the track ? It will be difficult .... its difficult now and we get deals. If my "complaining" bothers you then ignore my posts. I am posting my feelings on a subject :idunno:
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Poor choice of words on my part. I'm hard-wired to find solutions. I'm just pointing out that cutting out the extras can make the races themselves more affordable.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Poor choice of words on my part. I'm hard-wired to find solutions. I'm just pointing out that cutting out the extras can make the races themselves more affordable.
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Cutting out extras is not my idea of a good way to spend three days at the track. There was hardly anything going on at the track last weekend, all the cool stuff they had in the past was absent. There were about half as many vendors and Bud Light was hard to find. ( I seldom drink anyway)
I personally am not happy with the way things are going out there, the place has always kind of felt like home to me
 
StandOnIt said:
I thought being a KDB fan, go to the Xfinity race, he wins those a lot.
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Thats the main reason most dont watch anymore. I could care less if the cup guys step down and pretty much change the channel when they participate. I wouldnt watch if my favorite cup driver started the race. ( most of which have retired at this point, another reason I've almost lost all interest in the sport) The topic was bonehead of the race. I still stick with television coverage as being the bonehead, its turned into a commercial fest. Money talks but people dont have to buy into their game as I havent. When was the last time the TV screen was nothing but racing? as in no side bars, upper bar's, or bottom of the screen without an ad on it? Most people think thats the norm, but I cant stand it. There are 43, no, 40, no scratch that, 36 advertisements on the hoods of the cars.................. never mind.
 
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