Brian Vickers: No regrets, helping teammates within rules.

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Mod..... Feel free to move this thread to the rest of the MRW stuff. I just wanted it not to get lost for a little while today so people had a chance to read/debate. Good points by Vickers here IMO.

Article by Brian Vickers.

To all interested parties, the easy thing to do when faced with situations such as these is to say nothing and do nothing. But the right thing to do is defend what you believe in. Unfortunately, the "right thing" and the "easy thing" are rarely one in the same. What I believe in is this team. The Michael Waltrip Racing organization is made up of the most honorable and quality group of people I have ever worked with in my life. It starts with Rob Kauffman and Michael Waltrip, the team owners. Those two guys have a passion for racing and NASCAR equal to or greater than anyone in that garage. Their level of appreciation and respect for this sport inspires me every day I work with them. And they have spent the last decade or more hiring and building a team of like-minded individuals who put their hearts and souls into making these cars and teams the very best they can be. I am proud to say I'm a driver at Michael Waltrip Racing.

People are saying a lot of things about this team right now without considering the consequences. This team is more than just the few people you see every weekend. This team is hundreds of hardworking men and women who strive every single day to win in the most honorable way possible. They are not cheaters. Few people these days take time to consider the effect the words they write can have on these hardworking families. If our amazing partners were pressured to the extent of pulling out, hundreds of families would lose their means of income. You should consider this next time you decide to rant on Twitter about something without having all the facts.

As Michael addressed in his statement, Ty Norris, MWR's general manager and my spotter, had a split-second decision to make that could help this team in a major way. He didn't have some grand strategy to manipulate the race. He was thinking about all the hardworking people on this team and what they put into making the Chase.

Every weekend, every team in that garage goes on the track to win and put on the very best race they possibly can to honor fans — past, present and future. And to honor this great sport, NASCAR. MWR is no exception, but sometimes your race doesn't evolve as you planned and you're not battling for the win or the Chase. But oftentimes, your teammate is and you try to help him, whether it's by giving him your setup or maybe it's letting him lead a lap during the race, or maybe it's even giving him that one spot he needs to win the championship. Do you think that if you were running in 21st position and your teammate needed that one spot to win the championship, you wouldn't give it to him? You think that doesn't happen every race, every year? You think that if Jimmie Johnson was in front of Jeff Gordon he wouldn't give it to him? You think Mark Martin wouldn't have given a spot to Ryan Newman or Brad Keselowski to Joey Logano? They would — and they have.

Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon have acknowledged that teammates help each other all the time, but somehow, us pitting has crossed the line? Where is that line?

My interpretation of the rules is as follows: I'm driving the car and can drive it how I like — pit when we like, pass whomever I want and let whomever I want to pass me, whenever I want to. If those are not the rules, and if my team and I are not in control of our car and our race, and if we have to race how we're told and pit when we are told, then someone needs to clarify that and define the rules as such, including who would tell us. There is currently no rule that states you can't help a teammate or give a teammate your position if you choose. If we as competitors and fans of this amazing sport would like to have that rule, then let's write it. Maybe something to the effect of: "No two or more cars of the same owner may take any action that supports or helps his teammate by any means." Now before the pendulum swings in that direction, it is important to acknowledge that this is a very slippery slope and would be extremely difficult to police.

This approach undoubtedly would come with unintended consequences, not to mention have what I believe to be a negative impact on the quality and excitement of each race. But until this rule is in place, don't condemn our team or any other team that takes the same actions every single weekend.

Every lap we take, every car we pass, every pit stop we make changes the outcome of the race. Are we free to choose what and when those moments are or not? You can't have it both ways.

If helping a teammate, friend and brother in arms is a crime, then I'm guilty. I didn't make that call to pit last Saturday nor did I even understand why we did it at the time. But if my teammate(s) needed me again and it was of no consequence to me, my team or our partners, I would make the same decision time and time again.

So if death by a firing squad is what you want, then add me to the lineup. I stand by my team, not because it's easy but because it is right!

from here
 
Vickers must be the biggest pussywhipped man on the planet
 
2 cars per team and eliminate the chase. Problem solved for the most part. Vickers is just sucking up to Mikey who signs his check. Lets face it, most of these guys are in it for the money and not the trophys. The sport has really turned corrupt. I hope MWR fails miserably in the future.
 
2 cars per team and eliminate the chase. Problem solved for the most part. Vickers is just sucking up to Mikey who signs his check. Lets face it, most of these guys are in it for the money and not the trophys. The sport has really turned corrupt. I hope MWR fails miserably in the future.
Not gonna work , You will have teams affiliated with teams. They will still help each other when they can. Always have and Always Will period.
 
Of course Vickers didn't go near Bowyer spinning his car to bring out the caution. That's the part that manipulated the outcome of the race, not them pitting their cars.
I know, nascar couldn't prove it.

I don't have a problem with teammates giving a position to help a teammate. Who cares if a driver pulls off the track to help a teammate? Hell, that's another spot for my fav driver too.

I also know that drivers have spun on purpose to bring out the caution in the past, even before the chase. But when it's done with just a handful of laps left in the race to stop another car from winning, that's when it crosses the line.

I hope the next time Vickers is headed for a win with less than 10 laps to go, someone spins their car to bring out the caution, killing his chance at the win.

I doubt he'd be ok with it.
 
"Every lap we take, every car we pass, every pit stop we make"

Isn't that a line from an old song?

Anyway, Brian equates giving a spot to a teammate with what they did. I'm not sure if that works for me, but where is the line and why does everyone have to keep asking nascar 'where is the line' ?
 
It also has to be remembered that there were several days for the PR firm to help with that statement to be configured reconfigured, hashed rehashed, checked rechecked and put in front of a committee that approved the release of it. Did BV write it, I believe he did but with a lot of input from the powers that be. That is a normal procedure under adverse circumstances and an integral part of administering damage control. There will be more releases like it to come with regularity, count on it.
 
He's just another disgruntled former HMS employee who couldn't produce......MWR signed him for "Chickenfeed" money...Because he couldn't find a Sprint Cup ride anywhere else.......
 
nascar always freezes up when the press challenges them. I still feel nascar over reacted to the pitting because they couldn't get the evidence on the spin. They took a shortcut and 'fixed' the race, and now they are paying the price for being so cute. Penske's trade a spot move happens every race, and nascar knows it. If they rule against such a minor move, they will be forced to police all this stuff after every damn race when some team says "I saw a dude from one team talking to the guys spotter just before he passed him".

Good lord, what a mess. nascar helped kill have at it racing by giving a wink to wrecking for blood, and even using the resulting video to promote the sport, so any decision by them now could have very negative implications.

I'm happy they are hiding. Some of nascar's best decisions are when they don't make one.
 
...I still feel nascar over reacted to the pitting because they couldn't get the evidence on the spin. They took a shortcut and 'fixed' the race, and now they are paying the price for being so cute....

That's how I see it.
Spinning out on purpose to bring out the caution during the race isn't that big of a deal. But when it's done with just a few laps left in the race to stop a win, it crosses the line in a big way.
 
That's how I see it.
Spinning out on purpose to bring out the caution during the race isn't that big of a deal. But when it's done with just a few laps left in the race to stop a win, it crosses the line in a big way.

Wasn't it Junior that spun out on purpose a couple of years back then made the mistake of admitting he did it on National TV ?
 
I haven't said much about this situation because it has been black and white for most people. Vickers pitting wasn't an issue for me and I agree with the statement above.

Bowyer spinning out, well, that is a completely different matter.
 
Wasn't it Junior that spun out on purpose a couple of years back then made the mistake of admitting he did it on National TV ?
Yes, but it wasn't to prevent someone specifically from winning, it was for himself cause he wanted a caution to improve his own car. And he was fined for it as well.
 
Sounds great God, country, team. Looked stupid on TV though. He's right about the slippery slope. Nascar opened up a can of worms. Micro managing is a big problem in other motorsports.."waiting on race central to make a call" so an so in race central needs to be fired...all that jazz. It is messed up, rough justice, 20 20 hindsight for me would have been to say nothing but "that's racing" that's the way it is done and let them do what they did and move on. They didn't come close to defining all involved in the "ripple effect". either punish all of them, or leave them alone and let the chips fall where they may.
 
I hate multicar teams. If a team has been proven (proven the keyword) to aide a teamate all of the cars in the team should be unconditionally disqualified.

The slippery slope imo is allowing or tolerating the assistance, and I am well aware that it happened many times in the past.

I just dont think many people care about how many wins Mr Hendricks or Mikey gets. But they do care about their driver and his wins and losses should be all about his performances rather than what some syndicate can pull off.

FTR, I am not the biggest Gordon fan and I take some occasional shots at him here. But he should be in the chase, I didnt want to see him denied this way. Having to sympathize with him and his fans sucks.
 
You get into micro managing, and it isn't a race anymore..it is a fiasco..rough driving, no touch, don't have at it, got enough debris cautions to deal with and plenty of actions detrimental to stock car racing calls as it is. Some people you can't make enough rules and regulations to satisfy them trying to make things fair? there isn't fair, life isn't fair, racing has never been fair and it never will be. I understand Brian's statement, but he also didn't want another unenforceable rule in the book.
 
You get into micro managing, and it isn't a race anymore..it is a fiasco..rough driving, no touch, don't have at it, got enough debris cautions to deal with and plenty of actions detrimental to stock car racing calls as it is. Some people you can't make enough rules and regulations to satisfy them trying to make things fair? there isn't fair, life isn't fair, racing has never been fair and it never will be. I understand Brian's statement, but he also didn't want another unenforceable rule in the book.


Thank you for that.
 
This is Vickers in a nutshell. He's always been a slimeball willing to do anything for good results.

I cant believe any of you haven't brought up the fact this is the same guy who wrecked his own teammate and Jr. at 200mph for a win.

That whole Waltrip bunch are still in denial. Mikey himself was acting like the sad victim on the booth last night. Get the F out of here with this sappy story.
 
I cant believe any of you haven't brought up the fact this is the same guy who wrecked his own teammate and Jr. at 200mph for a win.

That's one of the few things I like about the guy. lol

Actually that incident was just racing, not a calculated decision by vickers.
 
Before teams there were friends. Drivers would help a buddy allowing them to lead a lap or driving a common rival hard. An example was when the caution flag came out and the leader would back off quite a bit to let a friend get a lap back. (That became a tradition until Tony Stewart wouldn't back off - "I lapped those guys and I'm not giving it back"). Teams are a part of the sport now and I hate the idea of team orders. Even without teams there will be drivers working together.

With the furor from the Richmond race, teams should learn that the integrity of the sport lies in their hands and it in their financial interest to play fair.

NASCAR might consider using a threat against a team by reducing the number of teams they can run if they don't behave.
 
Mod..... Feel free to move this thread to the rest of the MRW stuff. I just wanted it not to get lost for a little while today so people had a chance to read/debate. Good points by Vickers here IMO.

Article by Brian Vickers.

To all interested parties, the easy thing to do when faced with situations such as these is to say nothing and do nothing. But the right thing to do is defend what you believe in. Unfortunately, the "right thing" and the "easy thing" are rarely one in the same. What I believe in is this team. The Michael Waltrip Racing organization is made up of the most honorable and quality group of people I have ever worked with in my life. It starts with Rob Kauffman and Michael Waltrip, the team owners. Those two guys have a passion for racing and NASCAR equal to or greater than anyone in that garage. Their level of appreciation and respect for this sport inspires me every day I work with them. And they have spent the last decade or more hiring and building a team of like-minded individuals who put their hearts and souls into making these cars and teams the very best they can be. I am proud to say I'm a driver at Michael Waltrip Racing.

People are saying a lot of things about this team right now without considering the consequences. This team is more than just the few people you see every weekend. This team is hundreds of hardworking men and women who strive every single day to win in the most honorable way possible. They are not cheaters. Few people these days take time to consider the effect the words they write can have on these hardworking families. If our amazing partners were pressured to the extent of pulling out, hundreds of families would lose their means of income. You should consider this next time you decide to rant on Twitter about something without having all the facts.

As Michael addressed in his statement, Ty Norris, MWR's general manager and my spotter, had a split-second decision to make that could help this team in a major way. He didn't have some grand strategy to manipulate the race. He was thinking about all the hardworking people on this team and what they put into making the Chase.

Every weekend, every team in that garage goes on the track to win and put on the very best race they possibly can to honor fans — past, present and future. And to honor this great sport, NASCAR. MWR is no exception, but sometimes your race doesn't evolve as you planned and you're not battling for the win or the Chase. But oftentimes, your teammate is and you try to help him, whether it's by giving him your setup or maybe it's letting him lead a lap during the race, or maybe it's even giving him that one spot he needs to win the championship. Do you think that if you were running in 21st position and your teammate needed that one spot to win the championship, you wouldn't give it to him? You think that doesn't happen every race, every year? You think that if Jimmie Johnson was in front of Jeff Gordon he wouldn't give it to him? You think Mark Martin wouldn't have given a spot to Ryan Newman or Brad Keselowski to Joey Logano? They would — and they have.

Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon have acknowledged that teammates help each other all the time, but somehow, us pitting has crossed the line? Where is that line?

My interpretation of the rules is as follows: I'm driving the car and can drive it how I like — pit when we like, pass whomever I want and let whomever I want to pass me, whenever I want to. If those are not the rules, and if my team and I are not in control of our car and our race, and if we have to race how we're told and pit when we are told, then someone needs to clarify that and define the rules as such, including who would tell us. There is currently no rule that states you can't help a teammate or give a teammate your position if you choose. If we as competitors and fans of this amazing sport would like to have that rule, then let's write it. Maybe something to the effect of: "No two or more cars of the same owner may take any action that supports or helps his teammate by any means." Now before the pendulum swings in that direction, it is important to acknowledge that this is a very slippery slope and would be extremely difficult to police.

This approach undoubtedly would come with unintended consequences, not to mention have what I believe to be a negative impact on the quality and excitement of each race. But until this rule is in place, don't condemn our team or any other team that takes the same actions every single weekend.

Every lap we take, every car we pass, every pit stop we make changes the outcome of the race. Are we free to choose what and when those moments are or not? You can't have it both ways.

If helping a teammate, friend and brother in arms is a crime, then I'm guilty. I didn't make that call to pit last Saturday nor did I even understand why we did it at the time. But if my teammate(s) needed me again and it was of no consequence to me, my team or our partners, I would make the same decision time and time again.

So if death by a firing squad is what you want, then add me to the lineup. I stand by my team, not because it's easy but because it is right!

from here

The man who wrote this has integrity. Far be it for me to say who is right or wrong, but this is a person who you want to root for, to be a fan of. Kids pay attention to this man's words, for he is wise. If this world had more integrity, it would be a far better place.
 
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