Broken Cable

Get ready for a debate. :)

I'm in agreement with you and posted my thoughts in the race thread (they're on the last page of it). A lot of other guys don't seem to agree with us though.
 
Nope, this is a points race. In the past other drivers and cars have been taken out by outside sources and Nascar didn't help them.

I think Kenseth said it best. There were 16 different techs working on the cars at one time. No way for Nascar to keep track of who was working on what.
 
I did not agree with it, but I can understand why they did it. We've seen some stuff in the passed with pieces of track coming up and in-car cameras catching fire and the rule stood and it cost some guys an opportunity to win. What I don't like is the amount of cans and bottles that were on the track though. Some cans even had the can coozie still on them. There's only one way they get there and that's if somebody throws them and that's just not cool. Those aren't race fans.
 
pjmolo said:
then again, maybe it's about time that they started
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Then where do you draw the line? Freak shower in turn three takes out 4 or 5 cars. Do we stop the race so they can repair the cars? Hot dog wrapper causes a car's engine to blow, and 4 or 5 cars hit the oil and into the wall. Lets red flag the race and fix them too?
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Then where do you draw the line? Freak shower in turn three takes out 4 or 5 cars. Do we stop the race so they can repair the cars? Hot dog wrapper causes a car's engine to blow, and 4 or 5 cars hit the oil and into the wall. Lets red flag the race and fix them too?
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Yep, NASCAR opened up a can of worms last night.

Every time something happens on the track it isn't somebody's fault. If Danica crashes into Dale Jr, is it Dale's fault? Should he be allowed to 15 minutes to fix the car? If Jimmie Johnson cuts a tire because of a mistake Goodyear made in the tire manufacturing process, should the #48 be allowed 15 minutes to repair the car? If Kenseth blows an engine because TRD made a mistake in building the engine, should they be allowed 15 minutes to change the engine?

If instead of a rope from the camera, the #18 and #9 had been damaged by debris from some start-and-park, would NASCAR have given them 15 minutes to repair the car? Where do you draw the line? Why is some incidental debris from a TV camera more special than debris from fans (the infamous hot dog wrapper) or debris from another car?

Last night was bush league amateurish crap. I don't know what disgusted me more, that NASCAR actually did it, that most people here joined the happytime NASCAR defense brigade and defended it, or that they actually wasted our time and made Ambrose run three laps by himself why the rest of the field was red flagged to "get his laps back".
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Nope, this is a points race. In the past other drivers and cars have been taken out by outside sources and Nascar didn't help them.
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pjmolo said:
then again, maybe it's about time that they started
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Jeffrey00 said:
Then where do you draw the line? Freak shower in turn three takes out 4 or 5 cars. Do we stop the race so they can repair the cars? Hot dog wrapper causes a car's engine to blow, and 4 or 5 cars hit the oil and into the wall. Lets red flag the race and fix them too?
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Good point, but IMO your examples are somewhat weak.

In this day and age of lap-tops in every pit stall with access to weather radar, the concept of a "freak shower" is somewhat dated. Besides, the weather is something that is beyond anyone's control.

Hot dog wrappers causing a blown engine?

They're so commonplace that teams are, or should be, aware of them long before they can cause any serious damage.

The incident last night was a freak occurrence that happened in an instant and simultaneously impacted numerous cars.

I find it hard to imagine a comparable situation.
 
KevinWI said:
Last night was bush league amateurish crap. I don't know what disgusted me more, that NASCAR actually did it, that most people here joined the happytime NASCAR defense brigade and defended it, or that they actually wasted our time and made Ambrose run three laps by himself why the rest of the field was red flagged to "get his laps back".
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Maybe you missed the explanation provided in another thread.

TexasRaceLady said:
Marcos had to make those laps to get caught up on the electronic scoring monitors. Those register every time the car crossed the start/finish. If he hadn't made those laps the scoring would keep him 3 laps down. I imagine trying to change that by hand would require changing the database and rewriting the code on the server. Much easier to just have him make the laps.
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Besides, if he hadn't been required to run the three laps, wouldn't he have been given an advantage in having extra gas ?
 
What happens if a fan throws some debris on the track and a driver hits it and cuts down a tire or something?

NASCAR opened a can of worms especially since they set a precedent they will never live by.
 
Then where do you draw the line?
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I agree with you on where do you draw the line. I thought the cable deal was a special situation and I happen agree on how they handled it. There are other examples that are hard to decide. I'm fine with NASCAR dealing with it on a case by case basis, that's why the get the big bucks - whoops, don't want to open another can a worms.
 
This is really rediculess say if there's a crash red flag the race,or a soda bottle. This was one of those times that it was NOT a racing problem, this was an outside force that caused it. The rule should be if its part of a racing incident they they continue but in this case they did what needed and should have been done.
 
pistolshooter said:
This is really rediculess say if there's a crash red flag the race,or a soda bottle. This was one of those times that it was NOT a racing problem, this was an outside force that caused it. The rule should be if its part of a racing incident they they continue but in this case they did what needed and should have been done.
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There are several instances where outside forces have impacted races.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I agree with you on where do you draw the line. I thought the cable deal was a special situation and I happen agree on how they handled it. There are other examples that are hard to decide. I'm fine with NASCAR dealing with it on a case by case basis, that's why the get the big bucks - whoops, don't want to open another can a worms.
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An open can of worms shouldn't be a major problem, because a lot of people love fishing here anyway.;)
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
What happens if a fan throws some debris on the track and a driver hits it and cuts down a tire or something?

NASCAR opened a can of worms especially since they set a precedent they will never live by.
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Like the "freak" rain shower or the hot dog wrapper that causes on engine to overheat to the point of blowing up, I find "debris on the track" to be a weak "what if ?"

That stuff happens all the time and should, for all practical purposes, just be considered part of another day at the races.

But . . . . . . what if, after a big one at Daytona or Talledaga, a tow truck heads out to haul back damaged cars and the driver suddenly flips out and starts running his "wrecker" into cars that haven't already been damaged ?

To me, that's how far outside the box this falling cable thing was.
 
Agree pj that's why they need to take it on a case by case. A soda can or hot dog wrapper is not the same as fox screwing up another race. I don't always agree with NASCAR but this time they did it right
 
I have a feeling that most of us will survive this storm and pick our selves up, dust our selves off, and march on down the road of entertainment... and the ones that don't will just get left behind to bask in their sorrow.
 
Soda cans, wrappers, etc, blown by the wind deal with it no points. Objects under 8 ounces, wind blown, if hit by the driver should get one bonus point. Over 8 ounces thrown by fan but missed the car it was intended for, but was hit, 2 points to the driver that hit it. 8 ounces or more, thrown by the fan and hit the car and not the track, 4 points awarded to the driver. Kyle would have had the obvious advantage followed by the 48. Even though Kyle dropped out, he would have picked up valuable bonus points.
 
I didn't agree with it when they did it for Dale Earnhardt Sr . , but I do agree with doing it for Kyle and Marcos , but they better not do it for Jimmy Johnson , cause I don't want him to win . I guess it depends on who you like . Nascar tries to be fair , but you'll never please all of the people , all of the time . Heh , there's my hot dog wrapper.:D
 
I love how everyone is using "soda cans" for their examples when every time I go to a race all I see getting thrown by people are beer bottles and chicken bones. :D
 
The only silver lining to me is that just about every car that was allowed to make repairs ended up dropping out of the race anyways.

The problem with case-by-case on situations like that is the appearance - there are a lot of people (myself included) who think the decision was made because Kyle Busch and Danica Patrick's cars were damaged.
 
NC HillBilly said:
I love how everyone is using "soda cans" for their examples when every time I go to a race all I see getting thrown by people are beer bottles and chicken bones. :D
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Well, they're usually drinking Bud Light at the races - it's better to throw that stuff on the track than drink it. I can piss in a glass and it would taste the same and have a higher alcohol content. Of course, I'm out in Franklin County, VA. :D
 
Nitro Dude said:
That's why they are only going to let you take boneless chicken in from now on.:)
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I ATE THE BONES!!!!
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AndyMarquisLive said:
Well, they're usually drinking Bud Light at the races - it's better to throw that stuff on the track than drink it. I can piss in a glass and it would taste the same and have a higher alcohol content. Of course, I'm out in Franklin County, VA. :D
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Good old Franklin County, shot myself a couple of tasty deer up there.

Rockingham County, South of the border checking in. ;)
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The only silver lining to me is that just about every car that was allowed to make repairs ended up dropping out of the race anyways.

The problem with case-by-case on situations like that is the appearance - there are a lot of people (myself included) who think the decision was made because Kyle Busch and Danica Patrick's cars were damaged.
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I can understand why people might think that. A few cars ran over the cable as well so who knows what it might have been messed up on those.
 
NC HillBilly said:
I can understand why people might think that. A few cars ran over the cable as well so who knows what it might have messed up on those.
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The biggest issue I had is that NASCAR let everyone pit but determined that only a handful of drivers could make repairs and what repairs they could make. I understand the circumstance but, if you're going to have a intermission, let everyone do whatever the **** they want.
 
NC HillBilly said:
Good old Franklin County, shot myself a couple of tasty deer up there.

Rockingham County, South of the border checking in. ;)
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Come on up to Franklin County Speedway. Racing starts at 5:10 sharp. You don't want to miss this - gonna be an instant classic here in the Moonshine Capital!
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The biggest issue I had is that NASCAR let everyone pit but determined that only a handful of drivers could make repairs and what repairs they could make. I understand the circumstance but, if you're going to have a intermission, let everyone do whatever the **** they want.
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That I can agree with but I kinda understand why they didn't too. You run into a case where you might have had a damaged car that wasn't anywhere near the cable and a team making repairs they couldn't otherwise do.

I think we could go on all day like this (and will I'm sure! :)) but hopefully we can all agree that this was one of those freak things that probably won't happen again any time soon. Even if you wanted to write a catch-all rule for something like this I don't think you could.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Come on up to Franklin County Speedway. Racing starts at 5:10 sharp. You don't want to miss this - gonna be an instant classic here in the Moonshine Capital!
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I wish I could, but I'm catching the tail end of the Bike Rally tonight and we're having a after party on the farm. I'll have to come up and watch a race there sometime though. Never been to that track (shame on me! :()
 
NC HillBilly said:
That I can agree with but I kinda understand why they didn't too. You run into a case where you might have had a damaged car that wasn't anywhere near the cable and a team making repairs they couldn't otherwise do.

I think we could go on all day like this (and will I'm sure! :)) but hopefully we can all agree that this was one of those freak things that probably won't happen again any time soon. Even if you wanted to write a catch-all rule for something like this I don't think you could.
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FOX should be glad that didn't happen during an NFL game. Roger Goodell would have flipped ****.
 
ted@economy said:
I didn't agree with it when they did it for Dale Earnhardt Sr . , but I do agree with doing it for Kyle and Marcos , but they better not do it for Jimmy Johnson , cause I don't want him to win . I guess it depends on who you like . Nascar tries to be fair , but you'll never please all of the people , all of the time . Heh , there's my hot dog wrapper.:D
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I'm sure you're probably half joking, but you've raised an interesting point.

I hate to even go here, and I may be fishing, as you guys say, but I just can't help but wonder what the reaction here would have been if instead of Kyle, a more popular driver like Stewart had run over the wire and received the same damage.
 
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