Bruton live..

FenderBumper said:
I missed the whole thing, but grinding sounds more reasonable than ripping the whole thing up. Atleast they will still be racing on an old surface. If Kez wins again, they'll probably just blow the place up. ;)
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I like this one from Kez

Brad Keselowski
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I never used it.
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@RealEricStout No more progressive banking at BMS. Lets see how you do now kid.
 
Ok, Gluck wrote this........

And though many fans, drivers and observers won't like Smith's ultimate decision, Bristol announced Wednesday it will grind down the top lane of the track and therefore take away the advantage of progressive banking.
Where there were three racing lanes before, drivers will only have two viable options come the night race in August. The idea, said track general manager Jerry Caldwell, is to "tighten these guys up, bring 'em back together (so they're) not going to get away from each other very quickly."

Bruton took the middle road and is taking the track halfway back to what it was. This might work for everyone, or the old fans may still reject it.
 
FenderBumper said:
Ok, Gluck wrote this........

And though many fans, drivers and observers won't like Smith's ultimate decision, Bristol announced Wednesday it will grind down the top lane of the track and therefore take away the advantage of progressive banking.
Where there were three racing lanes before, drivers will only have two viable options come the night race in August. The idea, said track general manager Jerry Caldwell, is to "tighten these guys up, bring 'em back together (so they're) not going to get away from each other very quickly."

Bruton took the middle road and is taking the track halfway back to what it was. This might work for everyone, or the old fans may still reject it.
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hahahahahaha tighten these guys up?bring them back together????At Bristol???????That track is so small you CAN'T get away from anybody there.
 
mike honcho said:
hahahahahaha tighten these guys up?bring them back together????At Bristol???????That track is so small you CAN'T get away from anybody there.
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Yeah, I think he misworded it. In my mind, the old Bristol excitement came when one car was faster and had to work his way thru the field. It all comes back to tires, IMO.
 
Ok so no more progressive banking, but not as much banking as it had before he changed it last time?
 
kkfan91 said:
Ok so no more progressive banking, but not as much banking as it had before he changed it last time?
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No more extra banking along the wall, but progressive banking for the middle line will remain. Instead of going from 3 racing lines back to the original 1, they will have 2 lines.
 
FenderBumper said:
Do you know if Bristol has 3 levels of banking or 2?
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It's not actually "progressive" from the bottom to top, it has three steps of banking as in 30 bottom lane 34 middle lane 36 top lane. Those are not the exact numbers just an example.
 
FlFlash said:
It's not actually "progressive" from the bottom to top, it has three steps of banking as in 30 bottom lane 34 middle lane 36 top lane. Those are not the exact numbers just an example.
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I know what nascar means by progressive banking, which is why I asked if there were 2 or 3 levels of banking.

I don't think it could work the other way you described. The right side of the car being on one degree of banking, and the other side on a different degree of banking would make things tough. Like driving on a perpetual turn exit or something.
 
No one has ever accused Brad of being smart. In fact, he's as dumb as a rock most of the time.
 
Matthew2470 said:
No one has ever accused Brad of being smart. In fact, he's as dumb as a rock most of the time.
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That's not true. Many reporters have tagged him as one of the most intelligent drivers in the garage. He just says stupid sheet from time to time.
 
FenderBumper said:
I know what nascar means by progressive banking, which is why I asked if there were 2 or 3 levels of banking.

I don't think it could work the other way you described. The right side of the car being on one degree of banking, and the other side on a different degree of banking would make things tough. Like driving on a perpetual turn exit or something.
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Oh damn I forgot you know everything sorry I tried being helpful.

I actually raced on a track that had Parabolic banking once you got the car set up correctly you could fly in any lane Fast Fun place.
 
FlFlash said:
Oh damn I forgot you know everything sorry I tried being helpful.

I actually raced on a track that had Parabolic banking once you got the car set up correctly you could fly in any lane Fast Fun place.
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So Flash , help me understand this , ...Is this change going to make Bristol more of a flat track like say New Hampshire ? The fast groove is hugging the bottom ,there is an outside groove , but there is a lot of centrifugal force out there that wants to slow your speed to keep from wrecking. You can pass if you have a great car but it's damn difficult. That somewhere close ?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
One last pic from BMS today. This is either a representation of what they are about to do the the surface of the track or a chart representing ticket sales. I'm not sure which.

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It almost looks as if will end up with less banking than it had before the reconfiguration several years ago. Instead of 36 degrees will it end up at 33 or 34?
 
I don't see the changes their making doing much to the racing we've been seeing at Bristol, actually I'm a lil confused over why their making such a fuss out of doing so little? From what I understand all their going to do is take the extra banking out of the third groove so it will match the second groove, we don't see much passing or racing going on out there now? It may change the transitions going in and coming off the corners but thats about it.
I think it's just more of Brutons BSing.
 
I liked Bristol when it was asphalt and 36 degrees what a wicked ass fast track that you could hang a car out on and still be fast, the concrete took that away.......of course I liked bias tires better too :moon:
 
racer8 said:
It almost looks as if will end up with less banking than it had before the reconfiguration several years ago. Instead of 36 degrees will it end up at 33 or 34?
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It's never been 36. That was a myth that BMS never bothered to correct. The banking now goes from 24 to 28. They are just taking the 28 down the 26 found in middle groove.
 
Matthew2470 said:
It's never been 36. That was a myth that BMS never bothered to correct. The banking now goes from 24 to 28. They are just taking the 28 down the 26 found in middle groove.
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I have no reason to not believe you. And I think you answered my question it will be less than it used to be. And here I was all these years thinking it was 36. Kinda wish my age was still 36.
 
racer8 said:
I have no reason to not believe you. And I think you answered my question it will be less than it used to be. And here I was all these years thinking it was 36. Kinda wish my age was still 36.
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Several years ago Newman's Penske team tested at Bristol and they measured the banking at 26. There is probably more info if someone feels like googling it.
 
Matthew2470 said:
It's never been 36. That was a myth that BMS never bothered to correct. The banking now goes from 24 to 28. They are just taking the 28 down the 26 found in middle groove.
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From 1969 when the track was first banked till 1992 when they concreted the track it was over 30 degrees. When they went to concrete in 1992 they where not able to keep that much banking and it became 26 to 28 I'm not sure what the exact degrees where when the did the "progressive banking" thing a few years ago.
It was never really 36 but in it's asphalt configuration it was alot more than it is now.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Several years ago Newman's Penske team tested at Bristol and they measured the banking at 26. There is probably more info if someone feels like googling it.
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Keep in mind Newman came to NASCAR in 2001 so it was'nt that long ago and he never saw the track before it was concrete.
 
FlFlash said:
From 1969 when the track was first banked till 1992 when they concreted the track it was over 30 degrees. When they went to concrete in 1992 they where not able to keep that much banking and it became 26 to 28 I'm not sure what the exact degrees where when the did the "progressive banking" thing a few years ago.
It was never really 36 but in it's asphalt configuration it was alot more than it is now.
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So thats the problem, bring back asphault and let em rip.
 
FlFlash said:
From 1969 when the track was first banked till 1992 when they concreted the track it was over 30 degrees. When they went to concrete in 1992 they where not able to keep that much banking and it became 26 to 28 I'm not sure what the exact degrees where when the did the "progressive banking" thing a few years ago.
It was never really 36 but in it's asphalt configuration it was alot more than it is now.
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The older banking claims are sketchy mainly because Bristol and Winchester (used to claim 37 degrees) were always trying to outdo each other in their claims to be the steepest banked tracks. Both tracks still claim to be "The World's Fastest Half Mile".
 
racer8 said:
So thats the problem, bring back asphault and let em rip.
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Ripping it up is exactly why they went to concrete, the cars became so fast on the asphalt with so much grip and corner speed they literally started Ripping up the track, ridges and ripples where forming.

Matthew2470 said:
The older banking claims are sketchy mainly because Bristol and Winchester (used to claim 37 degrees) were always trying to outdo each other in their claims to be the steepest banked tracks. Both tracks still claim to be "The World's Fastest Half Mile".
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Thats true, Winchester is an awesome track to watch a Latemodel race!
 
After 24 hours to digest the changes that were announced yesterday, I still don't understand how this is going to change much of anything. IDK, maybe it can put the cars a little closer together and the 'caution fans' can get what they're looking for? That reminds me..... Buy a bigger cooler for that fall race. I could be sitting there a lot longer.

I wonder if Kansas can get a discount on Bristol's progressive banking? o_O
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
After 24 hours to digest the changes that were announced yesterday, I still don't understand how this is going to change much of anything. IDK, maybe it can put the cars a little closer together and the 'caution fans' can get what they're looking for? That reminds me..... Buy a bigger cooler for that fall race. I could be sitting there a lot longer.

I wonder if Kansas can get a discount on Bristol's progressive banking? o_O
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For the past few years, it seems guys ran the top or the bottom and the middle wasn't used all that much. The way I see it, we'll get SOME bumping if 2 cars set up for the same line are racing. We'll also see some side by side racing when there's no lane conflict.

I have my fingers crossed, but I think Bristol will be better than ever.
 
KevinHarvick says Bruton Smith planned to talk with drivers at Texas about Bristol & what to do. But that meeting never came off.


Harvick not impressed with BMS: "Obviously, it didn't seem like Bruton wanted anybody's opinion who drives the car, so he went to Darrell"


"When was the last time Darell drove at Bristol?''
 
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