CEO says NASCAR 'not isolated' in fighting to attract fans

Good insight in this thread, specifically from ACS. Thanks for sharing.

I think Texas and Kansas are in good locations because they are near big cities but also have enough to do around them. I'm going to Kansas next weekend and my brother is flying out to go to the game and couple friends from work are coming as well. A big draw is that right next to the track are bars, restaurants, a casino, a bass pro etc. It's also a Saturday night race so people can travel to it and not worry about one rain delay having them miss their flight or have to miss back half of race.

I'm 35 so not the young demographic NASCAR is targeting but at this age my peers and I have money to spend on good tickets, RVs, travel etc that we didn't have in our 20s.
 
BobbyFord said:
If millennials were allowed in the passenger seat during a race they'd opt out if wifi weren't available.
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They would be like "hold this thing still, can't you see that I'm trying to text".
 
R Clarence said:
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Chasin' birds is a hoot.
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I love them good 'ol Turkey Vultures

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Skoalbandit33 said:
I can't remember for sure but I think they may have only come in red, black and white. As long as you got rid of them before 100K and didn't have to change an alternator you were OK.
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They also made them in gray and Maui Blue, although those two colors had much smaller production numbers.

That 3.4 DOHC was a good engine but like you said, the design made a couple basic fixes much more labor intensive than necessary.

My brother's had 240k miles and never had anything major break on it.
 
NJJammer said:
Birding sounds like a relaxing hobby I'd like to get into (damn, that sounds so "old" to me but intriguing.) Any websites/books a starter like me should check out? I think I'll be decent at it since I love following individual drivers around Dover during races with binoculars...haha!
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If you have a half-decent pair of binos you're already comfortable with, you're halfway there. Add a field guide (Sibley's or Peterson's) and you're good to go.

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/

http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

https://www.whatbird.com/forum/index.php?/forum/10-help-me-identify-a-bird/

Due to its geography, the Garden State is one of the top birding areas in the country. Cape May is a major departure point for birds migrating north and south.

http://www.njaudubon.org/
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
What camera do you like for birding?
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I'm not a shutterbug, so don't take what I say as any kind of recommendation.

I have a Panasonix Lumix DMC-FZ70 I bought explicitly for the purpose of photographing birds. It ran me about $250 on line at B&H. It's a higher-end point-and-shoot with a 60x optical zoom. I've had it about a year and mostly leave it in 'Auto' mode. One of my summer projects is to learn how to use the manual settings. I'm not trying to be artistic; my primary goal is to capture images I can use to identify the bird later. Moving up to a DSLR is probably more money and learning curve than I'm willing to put into this, but who knows? Maybe I'll learn enough about my current toy that something better won't be so intimidating.
 
NJJammer said:
You are probably right. Millennials are saddled with ridiculous student loans due to the Mafia of higher education learning. Colleges are, IMO, one of the last refuges of over-inflated spending in the USA. Their day of reckoning is coming like the wave of over-priced housing in 2008.
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Been to a hospital lately? :rolleyes:
 
Conover said:
Hi Folks. First post here and I plan to hang around a while. I am a long time racing fan, know many in the sport, grew up around it, and even covered it for a few years while I was in the radio business. I am still young enough to appreciate how the sport needs to change but old enough to also recognize the value of roots. As a youngster I saw races at Hickory Motor Speedway when they were part of the Winston series.

Great post by the 25 year old fan; your perspectives are valuable and important. Relevance is difficult sometimes in an older sport. The reality is many of you are all correct in some form. Between the demographic changes, experiences being different for kids growing up, cultural changes, it is hard for racing to maintain their numbers. NASCAR doesn't help themselves either. I am one who generally likes the format changes for this season. A regular season champ is important, and I hope they give that award the huge justice it deserves. I sort of like the Chase but recognize how empty it can be. The last race is dramatic and fun. We've gone to Homestead every year since the Chase began.

Now, here is my diagnosis of the ills and suggested prescription to help:
> The Cars: I know the COT was the start of the disaster. They had to stop cars from getting airborne. But, from then on you couldn't draft anyone. Air doesn't help, it pushes you back. Drafting and slingshots made large tracks fun. Find a way to bring that back. Also, use the latest sports cars like they do in Xfinity. Camaros and Mustangs are more appreciated by younger fans and many others. I have other desires but they won't happen.
> The Drivers: Frankly the drivers might be more talented than ever (as a whole) but too many are scared to tick off a sponsor or NASCAR by speaking their mind. I like good folks and people with character, but I also like characters! Let them breathe and be themselves. Encourage more open mic dialogue or other insights that aren't so heavily produced and packaged.
> The Races & Tracks: Move nearly all Monster events to Saturday's or Saturday nights. I know that bumps against college football but rain issues are real concerns. Folks cannot stay over for Monday races. Frankly Saturday races won't compete with the NFL which could help. Also NASCAR needs to promote on-site camping they furnish at reasonable costs. The expense of attending races is driving people to stay home and enjoy it in big screen HD. Young folks want more experiences during a race weekend, so help them to enjoy it without killing their wallets. Lastly, look to add more short tracks and another road race. Variety is important to keeping NASCAR relevant and fun.

Sorry for my long post but just wanted to share some thoughts.
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Did anyone officially say, 'Welcome to the asylum'? Let me be the first.

Good post. You may not fit in around here if you're going to insist on making sense. :D
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If you have a half-decent pair of binos you're already comfortable with, you're halfway there. Add a field guide (Sibley's or Peterson's) and you're good to go.

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/

http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

https://www.whatbird.com/forum/index.php?/forum/10-help-me-identify-a-bird/

Due to its geography, the Garden State is one of the top birding areas in the country. Cape May is a major departure point for birds migrating north and south.

http://www.njaudubon.org/
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Thanks for the info.
 
2 Sweet said:
They also made them in gray and Maui Blue, although those two colors had much smaller production numbers.

That 3.4 DOHC was a good engine but like you said, the design made a couple basic fixes much more labor intensive than necessary.

My brother's had 240k miles and never had anything major break on it.
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I forgot about Maui "no sale" Blue lol and gray but now that you mention it I remember. 240K from a 3.4 is outstanding and I drove some Lumina's and 1 Z34 with that engine. I always was a big fan of the 3800 V6 as it had good power and torque plus excellent fuel economy and those engines were truly bulletproof.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm not a shutterbug, so don't take what I say as any kind of recommendation.

I have a Panasonix Lumix DMC-FZ70 I bought explicitly for the purpose of photographing birds. It ran me about $250 on line at B&H. It's a higher-end point-and-shoot with a 60x optical zoom. I've had it about a year and mostly leave it in 'Auto' mode. One of my summer projects is to learn how to use the manual settings. I'm not trying to be artistic; my primary goal is to capture images I can use to identify the bird later. Moving up to a DSLR is probably more money and learning curve than I'm willing to put into this, but who knows? Maybe I'll learn enough about my current toy that something better won't be so intimidating.
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We are like minded as I use a Nikon P600 with a 60x zoom and a P900 with a 83x zoom. The P600 is much more compact and does a great job but when I am trying to capture images of birds like Kestrels, Prairie Falcons and Bald Eagles I need the better zoom as those birds are very skittish.

IDK how to use the manual settings on my camera and no nothing about photography other than I enjoy taking pics of things that interest me. A DSLR camera would be cost prohibitive for me and I seriously doubt I could take any better pics with them. The Turkey Vultures I posted were taken with my P600.

Thank you very much for the info.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
We are like minded as I use a Nikon P600 with a 60x zoom and a P900 with a 83x zoom. The P600 is much more compact and does a great job but when I am trying to capture images of birds like Kestrels, Prairie Falcons and Bald Eagles I need the better zoom as those birds are very skittish.

IDK how to use the manual settings on my camera and no nothing about photography other than I enjoy taking pics of things that interest me. A DSLR camera would be cost prohibitive for me and I seriously doubt I could take any better pics with them. The Turkey Vultures I posted were taken with my P600.

Thank you very much for the info.
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The problem with the long zooms is keeping the darn thing steady. I don't know about you but a tripod would be useless for what I do. Either the bird moves too much or I move to another target too quickly. (Or maybe I just don't know how to use one effectively.)

I keep my elbows in tight, try to not breathe, take multiple shots, and accept that half of them are going to be junk. I assume you have a digital zoom option to go with the optical. I've found that to be almost useless too; too pixelated and not enough detail in shots at that range to use for IDs.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I forgot about Maui "no sale" Blue lol and gray but now that you mention it I remember. 240K from a 3.4 is outstanding and I drove some Lumina's and 1 Z34 with that engine. I always was a big fan of the 3800 V6 as it had good power and torque plus excellent fuel economy and those engines were truly bulletproof.
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Absolutely. The 3800 is the best V6 that GM ever made. I've owned five 3800 powered cars (all supercharged) :cheers:
 
Nikon D7100 with a Sigma 150 to 600. I’ve done enough with the thing set to 600 rested on solid objects I can get decent shots out of it but 400 is much easier to handle.

Can't believe anyone would have bought one of the Z34 things. Those who did deserve 'em.
 
NJJammer said:
Mustangs vs Camaros vs Challengers is the FIRST thing NASCAR should do to drum up interest IMO. Then again, what the heck do I know?
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Yeah I think it's just one idea among many needed to get things swinging better and capture young fans. Even if they cannot afford one now, who wouldn't want to own one? Can't race a Kia Soul.
 
It's almost like pony cars were conceived to attract young buyers to a brand. What worked 50 years ago apparently works now too.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The problem with the long zooms is keeping the darn thing steady. I don't know about you but a tripod would be useless for what I do. Either the bird moves too much or I move to another target too quickly. (Or maybe I just don't know how to use one effectively.)

I keep my elbows in tight, try to not breathe, take multiple shots, and accept that half of them are going to be junk. I assume you have a digital zoom option to go with the optical. I've found that to be almost useless too; too pixelated and not enough detail in shots at that range to use for IDs.
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I have had the same experiences as you have. It took me about an hour to get a good pic of a woodpecker the other day as they move around a lot and are wary.
 
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