Chase Elliott Injury/Rehab

donthaveanickname said:
When was that? I hope your recovery went/is going well.
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That was Nov 2021. Recovery has been a process back to work and all right now. Lost some mobility in terms of crouching bnut thats it.

Also had a stroke due the accident, and had a torm arorta. Im only here due to the rapid response of EMS and Police.
 
Going forward many of the teams will be expecting their drivers to start wearing a specially designed PPE bubble suit for any and all physical activities away from the track.

Chase will be allowed to I-snowboard after his recovery. But he will be required to wear a three point harness system for fall protection and it must be throughly inspected and approved before each use by his assigned Safety Board of Directors. The Safety Board will also be commissioned to ensure that a Safety Chaperone is always present during these types of high risk activities.

Nascar is also considering sectioning off a screened in area to prevent drivers from having to exchange germs with the masses. The proposal for each track to have its own "sanitized screened in porch with drivers in rocking chairs zone" is being well recieved by the sponsors and owners.

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The Nature Boy said:
Other sports leagues have teams that ban their athletes from participating in dangerous recreational activities during the season (and some during the off-season), so it wouldn't be unprecedented for NASCAR teams to do the same. There's an inherent danger in daily life (such as driving your personal vehicle, which in Chase's case also includes flying). Still, teams try to minimize the risk by not letting their athletes do other risky activities when they're in season.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I've always found the laissez-faire approach to drivers to be a bit of an oddity, especially given how much rides on the success of the individual driver. If a ball sport player misses time, he has teammates who can pick up the slack, but a driver of Chase's caliber is more challenging to replace than even someone like Tom Brady.
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Comparing stick n ball to racing seldom ever works. It's all about degrees. A race car driver can be injured pretty badly in a wreck and still compete soon or with no pause. Stick n ballers usually can't with weeks to months of rehab. A serious injury can curtail a players career and they cart them off never to return. not so with race car drivers (see Kyle Busch).
Stick n ballers are glorified indentured servants with little if any rights. Drivers are independent contractors and they can move freely from team to team (see Tyler Reddick)
 
StandOnIt said:
Comparing stick n ball to racing seldom ever works
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I hate when race fans say this. This is a pretty direct comparison. If a driver is injured to the extent that he can’t compete, it still impacts the team. This is the same if Mike Trout or Patrick Mahomes get hurt. This is actually one place where there is a direct comparison.

If anything, athletes in other sports have more rights. In some sports, they get guaranteed money. Their unions have negotiated certain protections. They also get pensions. NASCAR drivers are “free” but that comes at a huge cost. There is no pension and getting any kind of guaranteed money is up to the negotiating power of their agent. Calling other athletes “indentured servants” represents a huge misunderstanding of sports business.

In another sport, Childress still would have either released Reddick or traded him to another team.
 
You can hate it all you want, but I pointed out the glaring differences and it appears you are doing the same thing.
 
StandOnIt said:
You can hate it all you want, but I pointed out the glaring differences and it appears you are doing the same thing.
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There are also differences between an NFL and MLB players and their playing conditions. This whole “us vs. them” stance that some race fans take when it comes to other sports is just unnecessary.

As I said, dealing with injuries to star athletes is actually a place where there is a direct comparison and where you can directly compare approaches.
 
The Nature Boy said:
There are also differences between an NFL and MLB players and their playing conditions. This whole “us vs. them” stance that some race fans take when it comes to other sports is just unnecessary.

As I said, dealing with injuries to star athletes is actually a place where there is a direct comparison and where you can directly compare approaches.
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There isn't a direct comparison. What happened to @Danica Freak on post 77 is a perfect example of what I was saying about a race car driver can sustain a pretty drastic injury and continue their career. Danica Freak has lost some mobility but he can continue. If that was a stick n baller they would be replaced.
 
StandOnIt said:
Stick n ballers are glorified indentured servants with little if any rights. Drivers are independent contractors and they can move freely from team to team (see Tyler Reddick)
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Not even close to true though. Reddick was only allowed to move freely to 23XI because Kurt Busch retired and Richard Childress allowed him out of his contract a year early. Childress, who was pissed by how blindsided he was, could've forced Reddick to stay there, and depending on the contract language, could've decided to drop him down to Xfinity for the year if he wanted to be petty.

Those "indentured servants" can force teams' hands. When the Jaguars gave Christian Kirk a massive contract that everyone thought was an "overpay," and followed it up by "overpaying" Evan Engram and Zay Jones, wide receivers left and right were able to get more money from other teams or even their own team.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Not even close to true though. Reddick was only allowed to move freely to 23XI because Kurt Busch retired and Richard Childress allowed him out of his contract a year early. Childress, who was pissed by how blindsided he was, could've forced Reddick to stay there, and depending on the contract language, could've decided to drop him down to Xfinity for the year if they wanted to be petty.

Those "indentured servants" can force teams' hands. When the Jaguars gave Christian Kirk a massive contract that everyone thought was an "overpay," and followed it up by "overpaying" Evan Engram and Zay Jones, wide receivers left and right were able to get more money from other teams or even their own team.
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Tyler Reddick made his own decision to join 23XI and was going to do so when his contract ran out at RCR.
 
StandOnIt said:
There isn't a direct comparison. What happened to @Danica Freak on post 77 is a perfect example of what I was saying about a race car driver can sustain a pretty drastic injury and continue their career. Danica Freak has lost some mobility but he can continue. If that was a stick n baller they would be replaced.
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When Bo Jackson suffered a career ending injury in football, he was still able to play baseball. Every sport has varying degrees of physicality. It depends on what the sports calls for and its demands on the body.
 
StandOnIt said:
Tyler Reddick made his own decision to join 23XI and was going to do so when his contract ran out at RCR.
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NFL players can make their own decisions right now if they want to play for their current teams now that their contracts are up.

And, in a trade scenario, they have more rights than you know. Los Angeles could trade Jalen Ramsey to Chicago out of spite, but if Ramsey wants to return to Jacksonville instead, he can simply not play and Chicago, holding the bag, would have to make that trade.
 
The Nature Boy said:
When Bo Jackson suffered a career ending injury in football, he was still able to play baseball. Every sport has varying degrees of physicality. It depends on what the sports calls for and its demands on the body.
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I've been saying that on numerous threads lol. Stick n ball and Auto racing are two different things. Comparing stick n ball to auto racing seldom works.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
NFL players can make their own decisions right now if they want to play for their current teams now that their contracts are up.

And, in a trade scenario, they have more rights than you know. Los Angeles could trade Jalen Ramsey to Chicago out of spite, but if Ramsey wants to return to Jacksonville instead, he can simply not play and Chicago, holding the bag, would have to make that trade.
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And a lot of players negotiate no-trade clauses into their deals. A star player is not getting traded to a team he doesn’t want to go to.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Even in the draft, players have more leverage than people think.

Eli Manning refused to play for the Chargers.
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And Kobe Bryant refused to play for Charlotte.

Racers don’t have more freedom than other athletes. That just isn’t true. In other sports, you don’t need a sponsor to get a ride.

Does it cost a lot to put your kid in a junior hockey program or even a good baseball program? Yes. Money is always an advantage. But teams aren’t asking anyone to find their own funding. They have a lot more freedom to move around.
 
And auto racers can drive for multiple car owners in the same season in the same weekend. What's the point? A few stars in stick n ball can write their own ticket while the vast majority can't. Again it's different. But I'm done, you guys go ahead and compare away to the shoulda coulda woulda's they should have done to restrict NASCAR drivers.
 
StandOnIt said:
nd auto racers can drive for multiple car owners in the same season in the same weekend. What's the point?
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This is a weird point. But yes, as long as their contracts allow, other athletes can take on outside employment. The World Baseball Classic is literally happening right now and athletes from across MLB are currently playing ball for someone who isn’t their employers.

Race car drivers are also restricted in where they can work. As much as Kyle Larson likes to race, Hendrick wouldn’t let him drive for Joe Gibbs or SHR on Saturday.
 
StandOnIt said:
And auto racers can drive for multiple car owners in the same season in the same weekend. What's the point? A few stars in stick n ball can write their own ticket while the vast majority can't. Again it's different. But I'm done, you guys go ahead and compare away to the shoulda coulda woulda's they should have done to restrict NASCAR drivers.
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How many NBA players go to the Summer Olympics to represent the USA?

NHL players used to compete in the Winter Olympics until the NHL decided to do away with the Olympic break.

Do you think Kyle Larson would be allowed to skip a Saturday night race in Daytona to go compete at Eldora instead?
 
DanicaFreak said:
That was Nov 2021. Recovery has been a process back to work and all right now. Lost some mobility in terms of crouching bnut thats it.

Also had a stroke due the accident, and had a torm arorta. Im only here due to the rapid response of EMS and Police.
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Wow dude ! Thats messed up . Hope you got all the waivers you wanted! Glad you recovered.
 
StandOnIt said:
A serious injury can curtail a players career and they cart them off never to return. not so with race car drivers (see Kyle Busch).
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Wait a minute, you referenced the Championship with an asterisk? Wow. Come on....hat or shirt?
 
Revman said:
Wait a minute, you referenced the Championship with an asterisk? Wow. Come on....hat or shirt?
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File it under drivers who have had serious injuries and continue to race. It's a pretty small group in recent years and that is because they are well protected in a safe car and race track. In pro sports, serious game ending injuries are frequent, some are fatal. Again there is no comparison. Elliott is going to be fine, he will be back, and it's possible after feeling the loss of his ride come back stronger than ever.
 
Revman said:
Wait a minute, you referenced the Championship with an asterisk? Wow. Come on....hat or shirt?
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I didn't reference the championship with an asterisk...you did. I was speaking about Kyle's ability to be able to come back and compete after numerous broken bones in his lower legs. Nothing was referenced to any championship.
 
StandOnIt said:
I didn't reference the championship with an asterisk...you did. I was speaking about Kyle's ability to be able to come back and compete after numerous broken bones in his lower legs. Nothing was referenced to any championship.
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Never heard you speak of Kyle's ability to do much of anything until this year.

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Spotter22 said:
Let me break the suspense. He's approved. That is all.
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Yeah, if anybody thinks NASCAR is gonna keep their most popular driver out of the playoffs, I have some Blockbuster Video stock to sell them. Plus the precedent for this incident was kind of set when Tony Stewart was granted a waiver after his sand buggy incident.
 
ToyYoda said:
Yeah, if anybody thinks NASCAR is gonna keep their most popular driver out of the playoffs, I have some Blockbuster Video stock to sell them. Plus the precedent for this incident was kind of set when Tony Stewart was granted a waiver after his sand buggy incident.
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Tony didn't make the playoffs. He was eligible but didn't have the points. The same thing should happen to Elliott. Eligible for the playoffs but he will have to have the points. Time will tell.
 
IMO there needs to be more to being eligible for the playoffs than just a waiver. At least the top 30 in points was an attempt to keep some legitimacy in the championship. Now theoretically a driver could come back for Daytona 2, win it, and make the playoffs. At least a poor qualifier for the playoffs would have to make the car eligible in the owners points prior to the driver getting a waiver or something.

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StandOnIt said:
I didn't reference the championship with an asterisk...you did. I was speaking about Kyle's ability to be able to come back and compete after numerous broken bones in his lower legs. Nothing was referenced to any championship.
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Don't worry Rev is just like a lot of people these days. They can find a way to be offended by anything, sometimes it just takes creativity

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ToyYoda said:
Yeah, if anybody thinks NASCAR is gonna keep their most popular driver out of the playoffs, I have some Blockbuster Video stock to sell them. Plus the precedent for this incident was kind of set when Tony Stewart was granted a waiver after his sand buggy incident.
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NASCAR's granted waivers for drivers who were suspended from competition for on-track incidents before.

The only time they've denied a waiver was for a driver missing a race because of lack of sponsorship, which was egregious to me when they've granted a waiver to someone who was suspended.

I stand where I've always stood on this waiver stuff. The problem is that NASCAR wants someone to make the playoffs on a fluke win at Talladega, when they really should say a win locks you in if you're in the top-20 or top-25. If you aren't in the top-25 in points, you don't deserve to make the playoffs. If Chase Elliott can win a race, miss 6-8 races, and make the top-25, he should be in.
 
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StandOnIt said:
Tony didn't make the playoffs. He was eligible but didn't have the points. The same thing should happen to Elliott. Eligible for the playoffs but he will have to have the points. Time will tell.
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Tony actually did make the playoffs in 2016 by way of his win at Sonoma, but didn’t do much once he got there.

Chase will actually have a harder road if he makes the playoffs than Tony did in 2016, with the stage points and regular season-end bonus points he’s gonna miss out on.
 
antman12 said:
As long as he wins a race and we don't have 17 different winners its all good in my book.
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Or Elliott can get in on points. Stewart missed 3 races with his leg injury, not only did he win a race, but he also got in on points and this I believe was during his last year in the cup series. I'm not worried about Elliott missing out on the Chase. He is in his prime, with a top team. no sweat.
 
StandOnIt said:
Or Elliott can get in on points. Stewart missed 3 races with his leg injury, not only did he win a race, but he also got in on points and this I believe was during his last year in the cup series. I'm not worried about Elliott missing out on the Chase. He is in his prime, with a top team. no sweat.
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Stewart missed races in three of his last four seasons, I think you're getting them mixed up.
In 2013 he got a win before his injury but he was out for the rest of the season.
In 14 he missed three races after the Kevin Ward incident but failed to make the playoffs.
In 2016 he missed the first 10 or 11 races but made the playoffs after winning at Sonoma.
 
StandOnIt said:
Or Elliott can get in on points. Stewart missed 3 races with his leg injury, not only did he win a race, but he also got in on points and this I believe was during his last year in the cup series. I'm not worried about Elliott missing out on the Chase. He is in his prime, with a top team. no sweat.
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Stewart missed eight races and got in with the win. He finished somewhere between 25-27th in points, I forget exactly, but he just needed to crack the top 30 for the win to count. I think it would be monumentally difficult for Chase to point his way in now, if it’s even possible. He just needs to go out there and win.

Edit: 2016
 
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