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Sorry, I guess I just had to post this:

Why is it that a driver can win races in the regular season and get bonus points for those wins, but say he wins 1, 2, 3 wins in the Chase which do not carry any points into the next round. Would make a better chance of a "Game 6" moment in the final rounds where a guy has a couple wins to help him out in the next round.

Certainly Homestead-Miami Bowl would be a more legitimate event if there were 9 points on the table from the previous round.
 
AuzGrams said:
Sorry, I guess I just had to post this:

Why is it that a driver can win races in the regular season and get bonus points for those wins, but say he wins 1, 2, 3 wins in the Chase which do not carry any points into the next round. Would make a better chance of a "Game 6" moment in the final rounds where a guy has a couple wins to help him out in the next round.

Certainly Homestead-Miami Bowl would be a more legitimate event if there were 9 points on the table from the previous round.
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JMO but I could live with the first incarnation of the chase as it allowed the 10 best 10 races to shake things out and normally the best prevailed. IMO there is no way that the current format could ever be legitimized due to the 3 race format.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
JMO but I could live with the first incarnation of the chase as it allowed the 10 best 10 races to shake things out and normally the best prevailed. IMO there is no way that the current format could ever be legitimized due to the 3 race format.
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Yeah I dunno. Most legit Grid format is a 26 race regular season with the point leader getting 9-12 bonus points, win bonus points, pit stall selection. Winners in each race round getting 3 bonus points.
 
AuzGrams said:
Sorry, I guess I just had to post this:

Why is it that a driver can win races in the regular season and get bonus points for those wins, but say he wins 1, 2, 3 wins in the Chase which do not carry any points into the next round. Would make a better chance of a "Game 6" moment in the final rounds where a guy has a couple wins to help him out in the next round.

Certainly Homestead-Miami Bowl would be a more legitimate event if there were 9 points on the table from the previous round.
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I'm with you. Just remember, points don't matter at Homestead under the current system, just whoever finishes ahead of the rest.
 
I'd be in favor of tweaking the current format to where 1 chase win gets you automatic advancement, 2nd gets you bonus points for next round, 3rd double. Even for homestead. If you can go out and dominate a whole round you should be rewarded. Also a 1st round bye for the regular season points leader which I'm pretty sure is already being heavily discussed within NASCAR.
 
If they are so dead set on a stupid playoff system that lets the highest finisher in the last race win the Champioship....... a Bye for the regular season leader to the first elimination seems pretty lame to me.... I think he should automatically be gauranteed a spot in the last race.....


By the way...... a regular season to me means 36 races........
 
It seems more consistent to the regular season to make a Chase win 3 points. A driver enters Homestead-Miami with a 9 point lead, he must finish 4th minimum with no laps led. 6 point lead must finish 2nd minimum still, 3 point lead is varying. So while the equal grounds Game 7 moment is a little less likely. A Homestead-Miami victory or best finish is still important.

Give the regular season leader a bye & pit stall selection until eliminated in Cup. Maybe 6 bonus points (one less round) & pit stall selection in NXS & Trucks.
 
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A real playoff format would go something like this. Top 16 cars are paired off, 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15, etc. Run three races, scoring is the same as regular season. Whoever has the most points, continues to the next round. Pair them up again, run three more races. most points continues. Pair them up one more time, most points square off at Homestead for the championship. It's not something I would support, but it would be a true playoff. As far as being fair, I don't think it would be any worse than what they have now.
 
The seeding idea isn't bad at all. It actually gives the regular season meaning.

I guess it would be 16 > 8 > 4 > 2 and 8 > 4 > 2 in the others. The rivalries and matchups would be cool. A mechanical failure at Homestead-Miami would suck.

Other things would have to be figured out like seeding method, round advancement, bonus points or not.
 
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Charlie Spencer said:
A failure at Homestead sucks now.
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I agree it's a joke of a race (in terms of fairness, entertainment wise it's a good race I suppose) with debris cautions, wrecks, and the Gordon's & Keselowski's basically pulling over for the contenders at the end.
 
We have to resolve to stop trying to make Nascar's playoff system make sense . That will never be the case and it will only get worse . What we should be happy with are individual races , or even just parts of individual races , when Nascar is not doing anything to make them exciting . I no longer try to tune into every race . I watch some parts , follow some on timing and scoring , drop in on conversations here post race , and have zero interest in the silly play offs or 'made for tv' exhibition stuff . Auto racing will always be my favorite sport , I will just watch it differently .
 
AuzGrams said:
I agree it's a joke of a race (in terms of fairness, entertainment wise it's a good race I suppose) with debris cautions, wrecks, and the Gordon's & Keselowski's basically pulling over for the contenders at the end.
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I didn't have any problem with Gordon and Kes getting out of the way. I didn't see it as any different from other races where cars have moved over for leaders in the closing laps. In the latter case, they're moving over for drivers racing for a win; in the former, for drivers racing for a championship.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I didn't have any problem with Gordon and Kes getting out of the way. I didn't see it as any different from other races where cars have moved over for leaders in the closing laps. In the latter case, they're moving over for drivers racing for a win; in the former, for drivers racing for a championship.
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'moving over' is the popular wording that the kids use to put Nascar in a bad light . We used to call it ' gettin out of the damn way ' ! I do not have a problem with slower cars ' gettin out of the damn way ' .
 
ted@economy said:
'moving over' is the popular wording that the kids use to put Nascar in a bad light . We used to call it ' gettin out of the damn way ' ! I do not have a problem with slower cars ' gettin out of the damn way ' .
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I don't even have problem with them fighting to stay on the lead lap, or racing with each other while the leader is chewing on their bumpers.

At least, I don't have a problem with those actions for most of the race. But when one car is a lap down and the other is down three with ten to go, quit pretending you're going to change the final standings. Face the reality this ain't your day and yes, get out of the damn way.

That goes double for blocking up the lines when two or more are competing for a title. I don't like the Chase format, but don't screw up those still eligible when you're don't have anything to race except finishing your season.
 
I brought up Gordon & Kes because of the 24 team questionable call to pit with 10 to go in 2014 while leading. Keselowski in 2015. I know the championship is important but if I recall the race I don't understand the motive. Maybe a Gordon fan can clarify.
 
I like the Chase how it is. I do think the 26 race regular season champion should get bonus points but not a bye. I could also live with giving bonus points to drivers that win more than once in a round but the final four should stay as the highest finish.
 
I like the idea that the chase winner gets significant bonus points added to their final points total, and half of the first place prize money. In most cases the chase winner will also be the points champion, so they'll take home a trophy and 100% of the first place winnings, in a few rare circumstances, 2015 for example, two drivers split the winnings, and the season's points winner takes home the trophy and is recognized as the champion.
 
The points for the chasers in each race should be based on the other chasers only. So in the first round of 16, the highest finisher gets the 1st place points, the lowest placing chaser gets credited for 16th place. The one make each round more like a playoff and totally bunch of the chasers on points The regular season points winner could be give some advantage in the chase, such as a points advantage or maybe auto advancement in each round if they would otherwise be eliminated.
 
What if we did the top 4 in wins made the finale. I don't understand why we do a 10 race chase, let's do a 35 race season followed by a one race title with the top 4 in either points or wins.

This way there would still be major emphasis on those football season races
 
Mispeedway15 said:
What if we did the top 4 in wins made the finale. I don't understand why we do a 10 race chase, let's do a 35 race season followed by a one race title with the top 4 in either points or wins.

This way there would still be major emphasis on those football season races
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Okay, so you do understand why we have 10-race Chase: because that makes the Chase start when football season does. If NASCAR's season ended in mid-October, there'd only be a 6-race chase. If it ended Labor Day weekend, there'd be no Chase at all.
 
I don't recall the complaints about the Chase until the 1 race bowl they have going on.
 
AuzGrams said:
I don't recall the complaints about the Chase until the 1 race bowl they have going on.
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OMG.. Really ? It started out awful and continually got worse . There is nothing similar in any form of racing , because it doesn't fit in racing. It's the auto equivalent of cage fighting
 
AuzGrams said:
I don't recall the complaints about the Chase until the 1 race bowl they have going on.
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Seriously? You must not have been active on any race forums until recently. People have been complaining about the Chase since it was implemented, and it's gotten worse with every new twist Brian puts in his knickers.

You do know the Chase started with a 10-driver, 'most Chase points wins' format, right? With each permutation (12 drivers, 13 if you're Gordon, 16 drivers, 3 rounds, points don't count, etc.), more cries turn to screams.
 
Folks are getting tired of bitching about it and others are getting tired of hearing about it . It is a stupid concept from the get go.
 
You want to hear another stupid one . Holding a qualifying session then not putting the fastest car on the pole.
 
ted@economy said:
OMG.. Really ? It started out awful and continually got worse . There is nothing similar in any form of racing , because it doesn't fit in racing. It's the auto equivalent of cage fighting
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Eh I'm actually okay with that bowl in this league because of the parity. Most auto racing associations have much wider point differences than NASCAR
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Seriously? You must not have been active on any race forums until recently. People have been complaining about the Chase since it was implemented, and it's gotten worse with every new twist Brian puts in his knickers.

You do know the Chase started with a 10-driver, 'most Chase points wins' format, right? With each permutation (12 drivers, 13 if you're Gordon, 16 drivers, 3 rounds, points don't count, etc.), more cries turn to screams.
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I didn't remember the complaints but NASCAR was in better standing. I'd say the complaining I really remember started in 2013.
 
In 1969 LeeRoy Yarbrough punched Bill France in the face for unreasonably expecting the drivers to run Talladega's first race on tires that were not safe.

I wish someone would do that to Brian France now, for being stupid.
 
Greg said:
In 1969 LeeRoy Yarbrough punched Bill France in the face for unreasonably expecting the drivers to run Talladega's first race on tires that were not safe.

I wish someone would do that to Brian France now, for being stupid.
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The same thing that happened then would happen now - France would find drivers somewhere willing to run in his top tier series.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The same thing that happened then would happen now - France would find drivers somewhere willing to run in his top tier series.
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It was still a **** race that probably helped Richard Childress as much as anyone. The winner of the race Richard Brickhouse was essentially a one and done. I remember reading a Petty bio when I was in school that left me thinking that Brickhouse commanded little respect. Still it is a little muddy or gray for me, Bobby Isaac and Harry Hyde ran the race, and I never heard of them catching any greif for running that race.

Different world now, there was no TV then and Brian's sins are more easily seen. But his privileged birthrighted existence deserves all the criticism he gets. And he cocoons or insulates himself from it like a privileged coward. The pretend surveys he uses to manufacture consent for his idiocy, is a good example.

He has been entrusted with so much, with something that many have invested so much energy into and the greatest passion. He has done everything conceiveable to betray them. He has to be as cynical as he is useless.

Well, I wish he was just useless, verses being an effective agent of degradation.
 
ted@economy said:
You want to hear another stupid one . Holding a qualifying session then not putting the fastest car on the pole.
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I agree. Watching it from the stands isn't better either IMO. Albeit single car qualifying was longer, I liked it more.
 
AuzGrams said:
I agree. Watching it from the stands isn't better either IMO. Albeit single car qualifying was longer, I liked it more.
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Point is , it doesn't make sense to fundamentally change the sport , just to make it play better on tv . If the fastest car isn't going to win the pole position , then just have a lottery and show something else on TV .
 
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