Chris Buescher and the Chase

So someone who runs all of the races and wins one does not deserve to be in yet someone who misses 1/4 of the season and wins deserves to be in? He should be in, I would like to see the budget Front Row works on in comparison to Gibbs or Hendrick.
 
CalTenn said:
So someone who runs all of the races and wins one does not deserve to be in yet someone who misses 1/4 of the season and wins deserves to be in? He should be in, I would like to see the budget Front Row works on in comparison to Gibbs or Hendrick.
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There you go again, assuming there's anything logical about The Chase. o_O
 
CalTenn said:
So someone who runs all of the races and wins one does not deserve to be in yet someone who misses 1/4 of the season and wins deserves to be in? He should be in, I would like to see the budget Front Row works on in comparison to Gibbs or Hendrick.
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He'll be in if he finishes in the top 30. Some people think it should be top 25.

"Should be" is not a factor.
 
As if Buescher, if he gets in, is going to knock a true contender out of the elimination thing.
 
R Clarence said:
As if Buescher, if he gets in, is going to knock a true contender out of the elimination thing.
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Define 'true condender'. If someone couldn't manage a top 15 point finish, was he or she really a contender in the first place?

This reminds me of the debates about the tail-end teams that play to get into the NCAA basketball tournament. None of them are going to cut down nets.
 
R Clarence said:
As if Buescher, if he gets in, is going to knock a true contender out of the elimination thing.
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Thing is ... he doesn't need to knock out a true contender . He just needs to avoid the wrecks and out point them . No DNF's should give him an edge .
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
No disrespect meant toward the young man that won today, the other drivers and teams but what happened today is another reason I can't accept Nascar as a sport. A driver with a career starting position of 28.9 and a finish of 27.6 will participate in the chase lottery with another driver that missed several races. It would be like allowing last year's Tennessee Titans to participate in last year's post season. Ridiculous but the whole convoluted method of crowning as champ is illegitimate so this doesn't cheapen it.
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Why? The NCAA tournament does the exact same thing lol. Does Florida-Gulf Coast deserve to compete for a title, no. But it's the system, it's exciting, and sometimes you never know who will surprise
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Why? The NCAA tournament does the exact same thing lol. Does Florida-Gulf Coast deserve to compete for a title, no. But it's the system, it's exciting, and sometimes you never know who will surprise
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I can't speak for what the Bo Diddley Tech's in college are doing but I know of no major professional sport that would allow something like this do you? It is an embarrassment and further cheapens Nascar.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
It is an embarrassment and further cheapens Nascar.
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That is your opinion. Others feel differently. No big deal to me. (There will be several Chris Buescher lookalikes that qualify for the PGA's FedEx Cup. There will be mediocre teams that qualify for MLB and NFL post seasons too. The NCAA basketball deal was mentioned. Et cetera.)
 
LewTheShoe said:
That is your opinion. Others feel differently. No big deal to me. (There will be several Chris Buescher lookalikes that qualify for the PGA's FedEx Cup. There will be mediocre teams that qualify for MLB and NFL post seasons too. The NCAA basketball deal was mentioned. Et cetera.)
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Chris Buescher and his team are not mediocre....THEY SUCK and THEY SUCK badly. No professional sport that I am aware of allows one of it's worse teams or players to participate in its post season. It is an embarrassment but fits right in with Nascar's modus operandi.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Chris Buescher and his team are not mediocre....THEY SUCK and THEY SUCK badly. No professional sport that I am aware of allows one of it's worse teams or players to participate in its post season. It is an embarrassment but fits right in with Nascar's modus operandi.
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7-9 & 7-8-1 teams have gone to playoffs in the NFL because of the divisions. Those teams suck too. NBA teams have sub .500 teams in the playoffs all the time.
 
Fordracing7 said:
7-9 & 7-8-1 teams have gone to playoffs in the NFL because of the divisions. Those teams suck too. NBA teams have sub .500 teams in the playoffs all the time.
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The 30th place driver will make it. What other professional team allows the 30th place team to participate in the post season? Chris Buescher is not a 7-9 or 8-8 team. He is a 0-16 or generously a 1-15 team.

I do hope that Penske helps him with people and product in the chase as the young man should have the best if he is going to be part of the lottery.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
The 30th place driver will make it. What other professional team allows the 30th place team to participate in the post season? Chris Buescher is not a 7-9 or 8-8 team. He is a 0-16 or generously a 1-15 team.

I do hope that Penske helps him with people and product in the chase as the young man should have the best if he is going to be part of the lottery.
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Seriously, we're talking about a playoff system that also allows teams that don't compete for an entire season to participate for the Championship. I think someone that has actually qualified by the rules is more legitimate than someone that has to issues a free pass waiver to circumnavigate the rules in place. If Chris makes it in, more power to him. At least he would be doing it by the rules in place.
 
Penske should partner up with Jenkins and provide a car and personel, this would give Penske 3 shots at the title.
 
DanicaFreak said:
Right.
Good read here
http://www.bradracing.com/2014/04/10/racing-rain/
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I've yet to see good explanation for why it won't work? Wheel spray? Drivers in all sorts of other racing series deal with that. Lack of visibility? Slow down. If someone else doesn't, they will pay the penalty of wrecking. There may be something I'm missing, but I'm unconvinced by Brad's reasons. Now that races don't sell out, I wait until the week of to buy tickets so that I can check the weather. It's really annoying to have to be so concerned about forecasts. It's why I ended up not going to the Brickyard--the weather forecasts I was seeing a week before showed rain. It's so refreshing when I go to football games or baseball (in retractable roof Miller Park) to know that I am going to get to see the event regardless of weather conditions. If NASCAR could be proactive and at least find a way to race in light rain, I bet there would be a significant boost in attendance.
 
CalTenn said:
So someone who runs all of the races and wins one does not deserve to be in yet someone who misses 1/4 of the season and wins deserves to be in? He should be in, I would like to see the budget Front Row works on in comparison to Gibbs or Hendrick.
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$40-$50 million-ish per car at HMS
$35 million-ish per car at JGR
$3 million-ish per car at FRM
 
29-4 said:
I've yet to see good explanation for why it won't work? Wheel spray? Drivers in all sorts of other racing series deal with that. Lack of visibility? Slow down. If someone else doesn't, they will pay the penalty of wrecking. There may be something I'm missing, but I'm unconvinced by Brad's reasons. Now that races don't sell out, I wait until the week of to buy tickets so that I can check the weather. It's really annoying to have to be so concerned about forecasts. It's why I ended up not going to the Brickyard--the weather forecasts I was seeing a week before showed rain. It's so refreshing when I go to football games or baseball (in retractable roof Miller Park) to know that I am going to get to see the event regardless of weather conditions. If NASCAR could be proactive and at least find a way to race in light rain, I bet there would be a significant boost in attendance.
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Agreed. I like Brad obviously, but none of his reasons hold sway in light of what other motorsports do on a regular basis. Saying they can't even run road courses in the rain because it's "too dangerous" makes the whole sport look bad to the rest of the motorsports world. Maybe rain racing is simply insane and no type of car should be doing it but the FIA, Indycar, and IMSA jumped off that bridge a long time ago. The only compelling reason I've heard for no rain races is that grooved wet tires can't hold up on banked ovals. Maybe that's a problem enough money could fix or maybe not.

Regardless, NASCAR needs to do something to make sure events go on as scheduled. More than perhaps any sport, NASCAR relies on fans travelling from long distance and making weekend-long commitments to attend a race. This is especially true for half of the tracks which are located in rural areas far from major population centers. Places like Michigan or Martinsville simply don't have enough people within a day-trip drive of them who can watch the weather and show up once the race is on. Compound that with the fact most races are on Sundays and people obviously have work the next day and it's no wonder there are attendance problems. NASCAR has to find a way to ensure that those loyal fans making travel plans months in advance see a race one way or another. Oh yeah and the TV networks would really thank them too.
 
They all know the rules so a win is a win and if he gets in the top30 then the Chase is where he'll go. Don't like the chase but the rules are the rules. Would doubt seriously that he will make it out of phase one, but he'll get a lot of people following him hoping for a fairy tale finish.
 
Since this has turned into a oval racing in the rain thread my 2 cents are that I think the idea is asinine. I think it's bad enough that we have the possibility of seeing this take place on a road course let alone a possibility of ever seeing it on an oval. The couple of experiments that Brad mentioned in the article the @DanicaFreak posted earlier outlined several reason why to not do this. Outside of the obvious safety issues, being there in the seats during the rain watching a caution filled race would be horrible. I wouldn't find that entertaining in the least. When I go to the track, like most everyone, I plan on extra days in the event of weather. I'll take a Monday or Tuesday race over a race in the rain any day.
 
Allenbaba said:
$40-$50 million-ish per car at HMS
$35 million-ish per car at JGR
$3 million-ish per car at FRM
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I would love to see a $3 million-ish take out a $50 million-ish...that would be awesome-ish.:)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Since this has turned into a oval racing in the rain thread my 2 cents are that I think the idea is asinine. I think it's bad enough that we have the possibility of seeing this take place on a road course let alone a possibility of ever seeing it on an oval. The couple of experiments that Brad mentioned in the article the @DanicaFreak posted earlier outlined several reason why to not do this. Outside of the obvious safety issues, being there in the seats during the rain watching a caution filled race would be horrible. I wouldn't find that entertaining in the least. When I go to the track, like most everyone, I plan on extra days in the event of weather. I'll take a Monday or Tuesday race over a race in the rain any day.
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Asinine? You're too polite.

Indy cars don't run races on oval tracks when it's raining for the same reasons NASCAR doesn't. Heaven forbid that Brad Keselowski would be more greatly informed about this issue than some random internet keyboardists.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Since this has turned into a oval racing in the rain thread my 2 cents are that I think the idea is asinine. I think it's bad enough that we have the possibility of seeing this take place on a road course let alone a possibility of ever seeing it on an oval. The couple of experiments that Brad mentioned in the article the @DanicaFreak posted earlier outlined several reason why to not do this. Outside of the obvious safety issues, being there in the seats during the rain watching a caution filled race would be horrible. I wouldn't find that entertaining in the least. When I go to the track, like most everyone, I plan on extra days in the event of weather. I'll take a Monday or Tuesday race over a race in the rain any day.
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yeah. I know why not on ovals. I can wish but Im a realist too. Id still like to see on on a roadcoruse
 
Perhaps we should spin this off into a new thread, but, I've yet to hear a good reason why not. One part of racing is to adapt to track conditions. If it's raining, back off earlier.
 
DanicaFreak said:
yeah. I know why not on ovals. I can wish but Im a realist too. Id still like to see on on a roadcoruse
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I hope for you you get the rain desired this weekend for the Cup race and you get to see some laps in the wet. I don't hope that for the attending fans though.
 
29-4 said:
I've yet to hear a good reason why not.
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It just killed your visibility. You couldn’t see a brake light.
Now imagine going down straightaways at about 180 mph when you can’t see more than 20 feet in front of you. You’re blind as can be. But here’s the thing: If you don’t go full speed, you’re going to get run over by someone who is.

At points, the visibility in front of me was so poor there was no point in looking out the front windshield. So I literally drove — and keep in mind, this is probably at 160 to 180 mph — looking out the side of the car. There were markers on the track telling you how far you were from the corner: 600 feet, 500 feet, 400 feet. By looking out the side window of the car, you could see where you were, and then hit the brakes, start slowing down and downshift through the corner.
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That's from the driver's seat which affords a somewhat different view than the ones we're sititng in. Does that help?
 
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