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Whenever the green flag drops be it tonight or tomorrow, Tuesday whenever hope it's a good one.
 
FenderBumper said:
Perfect situation for rain tires. The track would be dry in 20 laps.
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Agreed 100%...where I'm at in Atlanta it is just drizzle, sprinkle, stop for awhile...repeat. It's just the kind of rain we need around here - if only it had started after midnight.
 
And can't they do better than 2 hours to dry the track? Perhaps more than 3 jet dryers on a mile and a half would help.
 
Also a special shout out to Mother Nature for her second win of the season! I believe that she is now in the running to make the Chase.
 
NASCAR has been hauling around rain tires for six years, but they only use them during a deluge in Montreal?

They should have been used last night along with a 5pm start time. ESPN's 4 channels had plenty of air time to spare.
 
FenderBumper said:
NASCAR has been hauling around rain tires for six years, but they only use them during a deluge in Montreal?

They should have been used last night along with a 5pm start time. ESPN's 4 channels had plenty of air time to spare.
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Sorry but that's one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Sorry but that's one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
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Yeah...I was wishing they could do the rain tire thing last night (cause I wanted to watch a race), but AMS would have likely been a "disaster track" for that. With the size of the track, odd banking, and older surface, chances are everybody who finished would have gotten a top 20.
 
Tony1930 said:
Yeah...I was wishing they could do the rain tire thing last night (cause I wanted to watch a race), but AMS would have likely been a "disaster track" for that. With the size of the track, odd banking, and older surface, chances are everybody who finished would have gotten a top 20.
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I wasn't suggesting that they race in the rain. When the rain stopped, it took 2 hours to make the track ready for slicks. If they aimed to make it dry enough for rain tires, the blowers could go much faster around the track and get the race started in 30 min.

With a quick blow off of pooled water, they would be racing on a damp track for no more than 20 laps, then teams could choose to change over to slicks whenever they want. Those rain tires are soft and grippy, so I doubt they would loose more than 10 - 15 mph while drying a damp track. I could live with that for 20 laps or so, and it may even make for more side by side racing.
 
The track never get wet if they used my patent pending racetrack tarp system.
 
FenderBumper said:
...With a quick blow off of pooled water, they would be racing on a damp track for no more than 20 laps, then teams could choose to change over to slicks whenever they want. Those rain tires are soft and grippy, so I doubt they would loose more than 10 - 15 mph while drying a damp track. I could live with that for 20 laps or so, and it may even make for more side by side racing.
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Good point - I hadn't thought of it that way.
 
FenderBumper said:
I wasn't suggesting that they race in the rain. When the rain stopped, it took 2 hours to make the track ready for slicks. If they aimed to make it dry enough for rain tires, the blowers could go much faster around the track and get the race started in 30 min.

With a quick blow off of pooled water, they would be racing on a damp track for no more than 20 laps, then teams could choose to change over to slicks whenever they want. Those rain tires are soft and grippy, so I doubt they would loose more than 10 - 15 mph while drying a damp track. I could live with that for 20 laps or so, and it may even make for more side by side racing.
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Not a terrible idea, at least mostly. I certainly wouldn't suggest any competitive laps, not even 20 MPH off a regular pace. I don't think it would be a bad idea, however, to have the teams do like you see at your local dirt track on a weekly basis, out there packing the track.
 
FenderBumper said:
I wasn't suggesting that they race in the rain. When the rain stopped, it took 2 hours to make the track ready for slicks. If they aimed to make it dry enough for rain tires, the blowers could go much faster around the track and get the race started in 30 min.

With a quick blow off of pooled water, they would be racing on a damp track for no more than 20 laps, then teams could choose to change over to slicks whenever they want. Those rain tires are soft and grippy, so I doubt they would loose more than 10 - 15 mph while drying a damp track. I could live with that for 20 laps or so, and it may even make for more side by side racing.
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I don't think Cup cars have wipers? Visibility would be a huge issue, even if it was just a damp track or a drizzle coming down, there would be spray. These cars are never set up or meant to race in wet conditions, IMO racing epsecially Nascar, should never take place on a wet track. It will just create a bad situation for everyone, including the fans.
 
VaDirt said:
Not a terrible idea, at least mostly. I certainly wouldn't suggest any competitive laps, not even 20 MPH off a regular pace. I don't think it would be a bad idea, however, to have the teams do like you see at your local dirt track on a weekly basis, out there packing the track.
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I could live with 20 or 30 170 mph laps, if it meant getting an extra hour or more of dry track racing. Since I'm suggesting racing on a damp track with no percipitation, there wouldn't be enough spray to warrant wipers.

By taking this approach, NASCAR could cut drying time by 75% or more and get back to racing a lot sooner. Trying to play the 'window' game with a 2 hour dry time is insanity and a big waste of everyones time, IMO.
 
FenderBumper said:
I could live with 20 or 30 170 mph laps, if it meant getting an extra hour or more of dry track racing. Since I'm suggesting racing on a damp track with no percipitation, there wouldn't be enough spray to warrant wipers.

By taking this approach, NASCAR could cut drying time by 75% or more and get back to racing a lot sooner. Trying to play the 'window' game with a 2 hour dry time is insanity and a big waste of everyones time, IMO.
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Recipe for disaster. I would NOT want to see speeds that fast on even a damp track, full wet tires or not.
 
Neither NASCAR or Goodyear have Raintires for the Cup cars to run on Ovals, theve never been developed.
NASCAR and Goodyear do have Raintires that can be used on Roadcourses in Cup and Nationwide.

NOBODY wants to see the CARNAGE that would ensue if full size stock cars attempted to race on an OVAL TRACK in the RAIN!!!
 
FlFlash said:
...NOBODY wants to see the CARNAGE that would ensue if full size stock cars attempted to race on an OVAL TRACK in the RAIN!!!
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Well I would kind of enjoy it :p...as long as Tony missed the wrecks and nobody got hurt :)

(but what am I thinking...Tony missing all the wrecks?..yeah right...he would be causing them.)
 
FlFlash said:
Neither NASCAR or Goodyear have Raintires for the Cup cars to run on Ovals, theve never been developed.
NASCAR and Goodyear do have Raintires that can be used on Roadcourses in Cup and Nationwide.

NOBODY wants to see the CARNAGE that would ensue if full size stock cars attempted to race on an OVAL TRACK in the RAIN!!!
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Agreed and I don't want to see the Road Course carnage either.:D
 
Mopardh9 said:
Agreed and I don't want to see the Road Course carnage either.:D
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What could possible go wrong? These drivers are professionals. Just look at this video to see how well these guys adapt to a road course in the rain. I think the very first sentence that you here in the following video says it all. Racing at its best.....

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What would they call 500 miles in the wet @ Atlanta Motor Speedway? It can be answered in one word..... CAUTION.
 
FenderBumper said:
NASCAR has been hauling around rain tires for six years, but they only use them during a deluge in Montreal?
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Several things to consider:
Are these the same tires they've hauled around for 6 years or are they new ones?
Speeds here are a hellofva lot higher than Montreal plus running a on high speed oval on tires made for a road course might be a recipe for disaster. What about the built in stagger?
That these cars aren't equiped with a wiper, defroster fan or rearlight might be just the reasons.
Remember the pizz poor racing in the rain over in Japan?
 
The rain tires that were made were made specifically for the road courses, not ovals. They do not have rain tires for ovals nor do they carry them around from track to track. They don't even take them to the road courses for Cup anymore, only Nationwide.
 
Pic of souvenir row this morning. Not much activity.....

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VaDirt said:
I don't think it would be a bad idea, however, to have the teams do like you see at your local dirt track on a weekly basis, out there packing the track.
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Va, I'm LMAO. Local track, at one time, expected us to run our cars around to dry the track. Being the smart azz instigator I am :p I refused and when Ron Manfredo, head official, demanded in his best mafiosa voice [he thought he was something]I go out or load up. I simply asked who was going to pay for the fuel, the tires, the damage should a knucklehead run into us, what about lugging a race engine for endless laps and possible damage that may cause? Who will pay Ronnie? No answer so we loaded up. Half the field followed us out the gate. :D

Next week I had to go see the track owner because I was a baaaad boy.:)
That cheap azz would deduct $10 a bag for clean up if you dropped any fluids. 10 bucks for a 2 buck bag. Then they'd sweep it up and use it over and over!

Thanks again for bring a chuckle or two to mind.:)
 
Reminder..... Here's what it will take for some drivers to clinch a Chase spot at Atlanta

Kyle Busch, Jimmie Johnson, Matt Kenseth, Carl Edwards, Kevin Harvick and Jeff Gordon have clinched Chase spots, leaving six spots available in the 12-driver Chase.

A note on Harvick and Gordon: Both have clinched at least a wildcard spot. They have yet to clinch a spot in the top 10 for the Chase but that will happen today.

Here’s a look at what others need to do to be 49 points ahead of 11th place in the points and clinch a Chase spot today:

Kevin Harvick and Jeff Gordon: Both are 93 points ahead of 11th, Harvick and Gordon can guarantee a top-10 spot with at least a finish of 40th; or 41st and at least one lap led; or 42nd and the most laps led.

Ryan Newman: Currently 73 points ahead of 11th, Newman can guarantee a top-10 spot with at least a finish of 20th; or 21st and at least one lap led; or 22nd and the most laps led.

Kurt Busch: Currently 60 points ahead of 11th, Busch can guarantee a top-10 spot with at least a finish of seventh; or eighth and at least one lap led; or ninth and the most laps led.

Both Dale Earnhardt Jr. (39 points ahead of 11th) and Tony Stewart (21 points ahead) can both mathematically reach that 49-point threshold but would need to help. No specific finish guarantees a spot.

As for wild card scenarios (think Brad Keselowski), NASCAR stated there are such possibilities but it will depend on how others do. Keselowski can clinch a wildcard spot in the Chase by locking up a top 20 spot in the points today. He's 61 points ahead of 21st, so it seems likely he would clinch a wildcard spot.
 
A non-race specific repoty that I saw on a Bay Aewa (Cali) said another four inches of rain and several structurres blown down. :eek:
 
Is 11:00 the race start or is it television coverage?
 
Well its 11:03 and they fired up:beerbang:
 
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