Elliott Sadler flipped on pavement and was sideways at a higher rate of speed than Preece was here. Chris Bell in the Trucks a handful of years as well..similar flips. Even more air.
Sorry. I don't buy "this wreck was an exception".
If this wreck happened exactly as is in the late gen 4, COT, or gen 6, the driver is just fine and isn't transported to a local hospital.
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To call a spade a spade:
Kyle’s slide scrubbed off A LOT of speed. It’s also bull**** to claim that this is anywhere close to what Preece just experienced.
Kyle is also younger than Preece in that video and VERY well could've had a concussion and it wouldn't be discovered in that era.
Kyle was turned sideways just as quickly as Preece was. Speed was scrubbed and he flipped 5 times instead of 12.To call a spade a spade:
Kyle’s slide scrubbed off A LOT of speed. It’s bull**** to claim that this is anywhere close to what Preece just experienced.
This fanbase is so prone to hysteria that it’s embarrassing.
Yes but when Kyle went over he didn’t start Barrel rolling immediately. Preece instantly went into a high speed barrel roll after blowing over.Kyle Busch blew over immediately, he was sideways just as quick and was probably going faster. The difference was that Kyle flipped 7 times opposed to 12, due to sliding on his roof for a few.
Forgive me, but I don't think 5 flips is the difference between Kyle hopping out, and Kyle being hospitalized.
It was a terrifying wreck. Not a wreck that would have been a red flag for safety.
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You know, shaming your fellow fans for being "hysterical" and "embarrassing" is really classless stuff, you're better than this.Exactly. Transporting someone to the hospital could just mean doing additional concussion testing, which would not have happened after Sadler’s wreck in 2003, Newman’s early 2000s flips, Rusty in 1993, or Davey in 1992. NASCAR is taking more precautions nowadays but our hysteria prone fanbase sees additional protocols as “OMG THIS CAR IS UNSAFE.”
It’s ****** exhausting.
I would also bet my life savings that Rusty was concussed in 1993.
If Preece has a serious injury, NASCAR should address the safety lapses that led to it but I will also wait for more data before jumping to conclusions.
It wouldn’t just be that, it’s a physical deterrent to prevent abuse of track limits there. I get where you’re coming from though. I’d say maybe turf, but even Buescher had a bizarre flip when he caught something in Charlotte’s turf last year.Anyway, they need to PAVE that area of the backstretch runoff. So ****** what if it's an "eyesore" for the 24 hour race.
Yes, I did reference this when I differentiated 12v7.Yes but when Kyle went over he didn’t start Barrel rolling immediately. Preece instantly went into a high speed barrel roll after blowing over.
Drivers were very vocal about the safety last year, specifically stating that while certain big impacts remained safe (like the Blaney impact you mention) other impacts that have been generally safe were now injuring drivers. Considering the outcry of safety last year, it's absolutely worth considering and discussing whether there kind of flips are a cause for concern in a race car that has injured drivers at an alarming rate.
Exactly on both accounts. Sadler's was more violent, got more air, was on pavement and he "only" flipped 5 times because he was flipping UP banking. And he was also generally fine.I always thought Kyle Busch's flip in 2007 went under the radar. I'd put that wreck up there as far as the more violent crashes in NASCAR history. Preece's was definitely worse though. It was basically Elliott Sadler in 2003.
You know, shaming your fellow fans for being "hysterical" and "embarrassing" is really classless stuff, you're better than this.
And NASCAR addressed that by adding additional crush zones. The Gen 7 WAS a step back from the Gen 6 in safety and that is inexcusable. NASCAR is at least committed to addressing the issue.
But we don’t know why Preece was taken to the hospital. If it was for additional concussion testing then yes, a lot more drivers would have had the same happen to them in the past. Let’s not use additional protocols as “evidence” of an unsafe car.
We have no evidence that the Gen 7 is really producing more concussions than other generations except maybe the late Gen 6. Multiple drivers have admitted to racing with concussions in the past. But since NASCAR is testing and making drivers sit out, people are jumping to “THIS CAR IS UNSAFE.”
I guess certain people would be happy if NASCAR stopped testing for concussions because the car would appear safe.
"I guess certain people would be happy if NASCAR stopped testing for concussions because the car would appear safe"
Well now you're just arguing in bad taste lol
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And you’re better than this. I hate hysteria, anyone who knows my posts on this forum knows this about me. I prefer to wait for data and information before jumping to conclusions, especially some of the extreme ones that you are here.
Carl!Of course Buescher explodes when I basically quit NASCAR. Reeling me back in
I'm sorry. Better than what? You can hate hysteria all you want, that's your right and that's fine. But that's your problem, not mine. Yours my friend. You do not get decide what is and isn't hysteria based on your own "hate" reaction to reactions you don't approve of or agree with. You don't have respond or address my reactions, but if you feel the need to, I'd appreciate it if you did so with a less shamy and name cally attitude.
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You’re better than jumping to harsh conclusions with limited to no data pointing in that direction.
A guy went to the hospital for routine tests (something that wouldn’t have happened even 10 years ago) and you IMMEDIATELY jumped to “this car is more unsafe than the latter era Gen 4.”
Further, those routine tests weren’t done in the era of the crashes that you kept comparing this too, but you still used the enhanced protocols to bolster your “this car is unsafe” message. There is no reality where this car is more unsafe than ANY incarnation of the Gen 4. I have already said it was a step back from the Gen 6 (and NASCAR is working to address that).
I’ll back off on calling you hysterical but I won’t back off on disagreeing with your conclusion and approach to getting there.
Perfect. Then I'll agree to disagree, and thank you for backing off.
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I don't think there's anything to that. That's just a "I'll live to race another day" thing.“I’m coming back”. I just don’t like the sound of that. Coming back from what?
I'll have to put that in my fridge for next weekend, beer'd out from brewery crawling today. Goodnight, and cheers dude.I’ll tip you a virtual beer. Good night, my friend.
It is inappropriate or at least premature.This is cold
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You need to stop making uninformed starements like this, its 100% not true, not by a long shot.This was less violent than Ricky Rudd in 1984, similar to Rusty at Daytona in 1993, DW in 1991 Sadler in 03, Kyle Busch in 07.
I just kind of don't want to hear it. A wreck like that wasn't sending a driver to a hospital 6-12 years ago.
All last year we have drivers expressing concerns regarding safety and taking a step backwards. Concussions from minor wrecks.
When was the last time a driver flipped in a barrell roll and WASNT interviewed prior to end of coverage and ended up in the hospital.
I'm not taking anything away from the violence of that crash. But drivers have walked away from crashes like that without requiring further medical care for at least a decade.
There's no reason, other than an unsafe car that has regressed, Preece should be hospitalized.
The racing product is declining, and safety is apparently too.
Jesus
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Where are you coing up with this stuff? Every wreck has different results and its own set of problems. He probably had to go get a truckload of dirt cleaned out of his lungs,eyes,nose etc, Nothing life threatening.Elliott Sadler flipped on pavement and was sideways at a higher rate of speed than Preece was here. Chris Bell in the Trucks a handful of years as well..similar flips. Even more air.
Sorry. I don't buy "this wreck was an exception".
If this wreck happened exactly as is in the late gen 4, COT, or gen 6, the driver is just fine and isn't transported to a local hospital.
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