Cup RACE thread --- Phoenix

Jorge De Guzman said:
Well in a way you’re right. But I don’t get what format you’re using, but full season format under this points structure shouldn’t in fact Byron be the champion? He was regular season points leader using this format. Did Larson make up ground enough to have won it? I’m speaking strictly from this format, this format was designed to capture new younger fans, casuals and the like. It’s designed really to have the BEST car on championship Sunday which was today to win the championship. Under this format today Denny was robbed, he was the best car. He was robbed by a caution of not his doing and lost the championship. Which again I’ll say you’re right. My point being, today illustrates what a flaming pile of excrement is used to crown a champion. The idea of a playoffs was always illlogical and fleeting, today’s events illustrate that.
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Yes, Kyle Larson was the full season points leader. Byron lost that when he blew his tire
 
Blaze said:
I doubt we get the 2003 points, even if we get a full season deal. They definitely wanna keep stages and everything like that. I be fine with being wrong, but if we get 36 season deal, I'll be okay with keeping this other stuff as well.
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My guess is there will be a big bump points wise for winning. They are still going to want to reward winning. They won't go back to the old system where the 2nd place driver in theory could score as many points as the winner. I agree they will still do stage points, and I'm okay with that, but just end the stage breaks. No reason to throw the caution, it makes the race feel artificial. Keep the race feeling organic and under the green flag.
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Yes, Kyle Larson was the full season points leader. Byron lost that when he blew his tire
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A good point was brought up that I can't fully dispute. If Byron had the points lead, he probably saves the tire better. So maybe Larson doesn't win if we didn't have the playoffs, if Byron knew to be conservative with the tire.
 
Spped said:
My guess is there will be a big bump points wise for winning. They are still going to want to reward winning. They won't go back to the old system where the 2nd place driver in theory could score as many points as the winner. I agree they will still do stage points, and I'm okay with that, but just end the stage breaks. No reason to throw the caution, it makes the race feel artificial. Keep the race feeling organic and under the green flag.
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Winner definitely 1000% needs to leave a weekend scoring the most points. That's been something I've been saying for a good while now.
 
We’ve had 20 years of this sport’s history tainted by this insanity. Denny Hamlin is the latest victim to have their legacy completely rewritten by the Chase/Playoffs. He joins the likes of Gordon, Edwards, Harvick and others.

Denny will never be the same driver again after this. Assuming he even comes back at all.

Kyle Larson deserves a 2nd championship far more than Joey Logano deserves any of his 3 honestly. Yet, he basically had to apologize for winning today. That’s how pathetic all this is.

There is no longer any prestige or honor in being a NASCAR Cup Series Champion.
 
Blaze said:
Seen this posted.

Right driver won. So what's the issue? Is it we want 36 back, with the old Latford system? Cause we're definitely not getting that back if we get 36 back.
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And for everyone here who says we should just use a points system…Hamcrap wouldn’t even be in the hunt. So IF he had won today, Denny’s championship would be as empty as anyone’s ever in the “championship race” format.

So good for Larson.
 
DaleJrFan2003 said:
What's even more infuriating is that the disgraced drug addict that came up with this format isn't even in NASCAR anymore (he's been shunned). So why they insist on sticking with this **** is baffling.
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The TV overlords probably demand a playoff system of some sort.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
The TV overlords probably demand a playoff system of some sort.
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Then tell TV to screw it, we'll go to Apple TV, Amazon Prime or another partner.

Heck NBC barely even shows the Cup series anymore on network TV, typically only the last few races. Most of the races this year were on USA. That alone strips them of the right to dictate how the Champion is decided.

NASCAR can fine another partner if they have to.
 
Spped said:
Then tell TV to screw it, we'll go to Apple TV, Amazon Prime or another partner.

Heck NBC barely even shows the Cup series anymore on network TV, typically only the last few races. Most of the races this year were on USA. That alone strips them of the right to dictate how the Champion is decided.

NASCAR can fine another partner if they have to.
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I don’t think it’s that easy, I mean contracts are signed. I don’t think the nascar honchos want to be in court for two different cases
 
Since TV couldn’t be bothered to acknowledge it, congrats to Ryan Blaney! Finally got it done at Phoenix! By far his best race track and has never been able to get to victory lane.

Maybe someday we will see a replay of the checkered flag and a victory lane interview on the NASCAR Classics channel.
 
Any diehard baseball fans watch all of the post game coverage from game 7 of the World Series? I know it was Fox, but just curious how long they stayed on the air for after the final pitch.
 
DaleJrFan2003 said:
What's even more infuriating is that the disgraced drug addict that came up with this format isn't even in NASCAR anymore (he's been shunned). So why they insist on sticking with this **** is baffling.
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Give them enough time (probably beyond my life time) there willl be enough revisions to eventually work him into the Hall of Fame. He would still be ruining the thing if he hadn't been publicly arrested
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I don’t think it’s that easy, I mean contracts are signed. I don’t think the nascar honchos want to be in court for two different cases
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And I seriously doubt that contract gives TV any say over how the Champion is decided, simply that they have the broadcasts rights. So tell them we're deciding the title how we want and they can pound sand if they don't like it. And then let them be the ones who try to break the contract and sue them for breach of contract.
 
Spped said:
And I seriously doubt that contract gives TV any say over how the Champion is decided, simply that they have the broadcasts rights. So tell them we're deciding the title how we want and they can pound sand if they don't like it. And then let them be the ones who try to break the contract and sue them for breach of contract.
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Yea I mean I’m just speculating but I’d wager my house there’s probably some playoff language of some kind in it. I mean at least that’s the only reason I can come up with as to why there’s been 21 years of this garbage
 
Conover said:
Got so sick of their constant lather over Hamlin. It was vomit 🤮 over and over….and I get that was the fairytale storyline, but they just….NEVER……STOPPED!
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I missed it listening to MRN, but I could tell by all of the Hamlin TV time that was their grift they were selling. I've thought all year Yota's was paying them.
 
Conover said:
Got so sick of their constant lather over Hamlin. It was vomit 🤮 over and over….and I get that was the fairytale storyline, but they just….NEVER……STOPPED!
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StandOnIt said:
I missed it listening to MRN, but I could tell by all of the Hamlin TV time that was their grift they were selling. I've thought all year Yota's was paying them.
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See I had no problem with this. The dude's dad is dying, i get talking about how emotional it would be for him. Another case of you two just hating Denny to a point where if anyone else you wouldn't even care.
 
Seen a lot of comments about going back to full season points system. I just can’t see nascar doing that. Is anyone here opposed to the original Chase format? 10 drivers, 10 races. I think they should still do playoff points based on the regular season so that the regular season holds importance. I’m pretty sure in the original system it reset 1st through 10th to only 50 points apart which I disagree with.
 
TheJester said:
Seen a lot of comments about going back to full season points system. I just can’t see nascar doing that. Is anyone here opposed to the original Chase format? 10 drivers, 10 races. I think they should still do playoff points based on the regular season so that the regular season holds importance. I’m pretty sure in the original system it reset 1st through 10th to only 50 points apart which I disagree with.
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That's my 2nd choice. If we can't get full season, I would take a 10 race chase. Don't want the one at all. The 3 3 4 or whatever is a slight improvement, but still sucky.
 
TheJester said:
Seen a lot of comments about going back to full season points system. I just can’t see nascar doing that. Is anyone here opposed to the original Chase format? 10 drivers, 10 races. I think they should still do playoff points based on the regular season so that the regular season holds importance. I’m pretty sure in the original system it reset 1st through 10th to only 50 points apart which I disagree with.
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Im against points resets of any kind. It’s always rubbed me the wrong way that there’s a points reset with 3/4 of the season done.
 
Brentford said:
Are you more productive because of it or are you just finding something else to watch during that time? I’d imagine one could accomplish a lot using the 90 hours that they would have been using to watch the races each season.
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Been taking a lot of trips, hiking and what not on weekends during the spring and summer. Not much difference in the fall because I'm still watching lots of football
 
Blaze said:
See I had no problem with this. The dude's dad is dying, i get talking about how emotional it would be for him. Another case of you two just hating Denny to a point where if anyone else you wouldn't even care.
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No really it’s not hate, it’s about the CONSTANT NONSTOP about him from the gerbils. It would be the same if it was any other driver who they wouldn’t shut up about. Frankly you and I agree on how ridiculous this 4 car championship race is, and the fact they focus on nobody else. It’s horrible.
 
Conover said:
No really it’s not hate, it’s about the CONSTANT NONSTOP about him from the gerbils. It would be the same if it was any other driver who they wouldn’t shut up about. Frankly you and I agree on how ridiculous this 4 car championship race is, and the fact they focus on nobody else. It’s horrible.
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Kinda or like the MTJ and Sherry story the year he won. Yeah its a great story but it can only be hammer into us so many times
 
Conover said:
No really it’s not hate, it’s about the CONSTANT NONSTOP about him from the gerbils. It would be the same if it was any other driver who they wouldn’t shut up about. Frankly you and I agree on how ridiculous this 4 car championship race is, and the fact they focus on nobody else. It’s horrible.
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I guess I just don't get bothered by the announcers and think the gerbil nickname is stupid lol. The people here would never survive watching Booker T as a commentator on NXT 🤣
 
That was... a day. I left with a bitter taste in my mouth but didn't expect quite the level of negativity that's here. It is pretty ****** you have a format that is supposed to reward winning/domination and the car that leads 200+ laps all day loses to Larson who honestly seemed to just hide around 4th-8th all day.

Lost in all this is the fact that that was one of the better Phoenix races of all-time. There is certainly a bias being at the track but I thought the racing today was great.
 
The racing itself was good. And I actually liked that it was heavy on the tire failures. I just despise the fact that said tire failures decided the end all be all of the championship.
 
Spped said:
I posted a thread about this. No way do I see Denny coming back next year for this. It wouldn't shock me if he left the sport. I imagine he would still keep 23XI racing, but it might end up like Tony Stewart and Stewart-Haas Racing, where it's just his name on it, but he has little or nothing to do with it.

I could easily see Denny going the Carl Edwards route and just walking away.
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And I could see Denny scrapping any remaining “aw shucks” and embracing the black hat and tugging it down tight. Going full Darth Vader.
 
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