Cup RACE thread --- Richmond

Revman said:
Martin literally said that Denny didn't give him room into 1.....They are ****** racing for the win. It's just hard to understand Martin. I love his fans, however, because they seem to understand him. While I will always pull for him because of what he drives, he would be very easy to root against. I hate passive/aggressive bull****, and for him to bitch about Denny's restart knowing what he was trying to bait Denny into is just a guy who is believing the narrative he created.

Martin prides himself on racing clean, and then hit everything but the lottery after the checkers. Pick a lane.
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Hamlin won the race out of the pits for the final restart so he was supposed to lead with the restart. Truax in P2 would have broken the rules if he had accelerated first prior the lead car.

My contention is that Hamlin launched early prior to the restart box.

Carl Edward's jumped a late restart at Richmond a few years ago and was penalized for it, not sure why it was ignored this time
 
Revman said:
Truex had no shot once he came out P2....but thank you for supporting a Toyota driver.
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Lol. Instead of finishing 1st and 2nd, the yota clown show appeared. haha. Oh well it gave the fans something to Booooo about.
 
Revman said:
This. There are some aspects of MTJ that I like....and those attributes are easy to support....class, etc. However, there are others--which we saw last night--that are very difficult to stomach. I will say this about his crybaby stuff....I really believe that what he says on the radio is just the way he processes stress. It's not fun to listen to. When he is leading late....he inevitably starts to cry about his car going away. I don't think he believes he is going to get beaten. I think he needs to just get that worst case scenario out, so he can get back to the task at hand. Having said all of that, the bull**** we saw last night is a very bad look. What the hell was he even pissed at....and what the hell did Denny or Kyle have to do with it. If we are going to get pissy about Denny jumping the start, then we need to address the 19 and the 22 laying back. NASCAR made the right call because there is always BS on the restarts. Stripping Denny and his team of a win with so much of that **** going on would be a travesty. Everybody is dicking around, and at the end of the day, the team that earned P1 got the advantage, and that is the intent of literally ANY restart rule.

The thing with the 19 is that he wanted to be a dick, and he was justified. He just **** away a dominant night. The problem is that his narrative is that he is a clean racer with a ton of class. So, last night he decides to go bonkers over his justifiable frustration, and really made a total ass of himself. Denny ignored it, and Larson laughed about it.
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I have to agree with a lot of this. MTJ has always rubbed me the wrong way. He is a great driver and I give him that but everyone including him seems to forget that he toiled at DEI in decent equipment for a long time not doing much but he just comes across as entitled when he does have a fast car. His 2016 600 win was almost the race that made me turn away from NASCAR it was so bad but I didn't hear him complaining about how bad it was that one car led virtually an entire 600 mile race. I know he must be frustrated that if a caution does not come out he wins the race but welcome to NASACR. It's always been that way. Chase's winless streak is becoming a topic of note and if not for one of the worst timed cautions ever for him then he wins the Roval last season and we are not even talking abut it but I have not heard him complain. You will benefit from it sometimes and get burned by it others. Welcome to NASCAR and more importantly welcome to life. No reason to act the way he did.
 
StandOnIt said:
Lol. Instead of finishing 1st and 2nd, the yota clown show appeared. haha. Oh well it gave the fans something to Booooo about.
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Yep, 1 and 4 with four in the Top 10 is the clown show I signed up for.
 
Greg said:
Hamlin won the race out of the pits for the final restart so he was supposed to lead with the restart. Truax in P2 would have broken the rules if he had accelerated first prior the lead car.

My contention is that Hamlin launched early prior to the restart box.

Carl Edward's jumped a late restart at Richmond a few years ago and was penalized for it, not sure why it was ignored this time
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So far Karma keeps the Hambone championshipless.
 
StandOnIt said:
So far Karma keeps the Hambone championshipless.
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You have found the secret reason. Didn't KFB have a bunch of Karma running against him during his two championship seasons?
 
I was too busy being upset at Bubba's pit stop mishap that I didn't pay close attention to the finish. Regardless of what happened in that final restart, it was going to be a Toyota win. They had the best cars.
 
JJ_14 said:
I was too busy being upset at Bubba's pit stop mishap that I didn't pay close attention to the finish. Regardless of what happened in that final restart, it was going to be a Toyota win. They had the best cars.
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Maybe but overall, there seemed to be a little better parity as each make had a car or 2 that had potential race winning speed. The Fords of Logano and Berry were impressive, and Larson was very fast when out front and while he did seem to fall off some as the race went on, but Chase seemed to be turning very good laps at the end and Bowman was also fast. Toyotas were probably the best, but it was nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be going in. I wish the tire had just a little bit more fall off but even as it was, you could try different strategies so that's good. Richmond is such an odd track in how it can change so much. As mentioned last night, Larson won the spring race last year and was out to lunch in the summer race. I remember KK winning his first race there and being really good then a few years later was having a meltdown in the car because they were so bad.
 
Revman said:
Martin literally said that Denny didn't give him room into 1.....They are ****** racing for the win. It's just hard to understand Martin. I love his fans, however, because they seem to understand him. While I will always pull for him because of what he drives, he would be very easy to root against. I hate passive/aggressive bull****, and for him to bitch about Denny's restart knowing what he was trying to bait Denny into is just a guy who is believing the narrative he created.

Martin prides himself on racing clean, and then hit everything but the lottery after the checkers. Pick a lane.
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What’s up, bro? 😂

Martin just revealed that he is human and prone to err on occasion like everyone else. In his defense, I’m gonna pose a scenario. Put either of us in that 19 car in that scenario. You’ve lead almost all night. Caution waves with 2 to go. That’s gonna provoke some groaning from any driver in the lead, surely, but hey, it happens. Then, you start alongside your team-mate for the final restart. Ok, no biggie yet. What ensues is him jumping the start, foul on the play you would think. Same guy who just jumped the start uses you up into 1, drifting you up the track and putting you into a compromised position while he gets away with the foul. You watch as the win you busted your ass for all night slips away in the windshield in the grasp of a guy that arguably shouldn’t even be in that position… thus adversely affecting the outcome of the race.

Idk bro, I think we’ve seen drivers react worse than Truex giving his team-mate a couple bumps before ducking off into pit road. It’s kinda funny, he reacts like this hardly ever, but when he does, certain parts of the fanbase want to act like he’s totally lost the plot. Meh, I don’t see it. The only part I won’t dispute is the stuff between him and Larson; Larson was doing no differently from Truex and was trying to get the most he could out of a crazy night as well.
 
Truex_rox said:
What’s up, bro? 😂

Martin just revealed that he is human and prone to err on occasion like everyone else. In his defense, I’m gonna pose a scenario. Put either of us in that 19 car in that scenario. You’ve lead almost all night. Caution waves with 2 to go. That’s gonna provoke some groaning from any driver in the lead, surely, but hey, it happens. Then, you start alongside your team-mate for the final restart. Ok, no biggie yet. What ensues is him jumping the start, foul on the play you would think. Same guy who just jumped the start uses you up into 1, drifting you up the track and putting you into a compromised position while he gets away with the foul. You watch as the win you busted your ass for all night slips away in the windshield in the grasp of a guy that arguably shouldn’t even be in that position… thus adversely affecting the outcome of the race.

Idk bro, I think we’ve seen drivers react worse than Truex giving his team-mate a couple bumps before ducking off into pit road. It’s kinda funny, he reacts like this hardly ever, but when he does, certain parts of the fanbase want to act like he’s totally lost the plot. Meh, I don’t see it. The only part I won’t dispute is the stuff between him and Larson; Larson was doing no differently from Truex and was trying to get the most he could out of a crazy night as well.
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I have to agree with everything you said here.
 
Trying to explain the Yota clown show? One obviously cheated, and the other was trying to batter the 5 car to keep it from passing him because he was mad he was cheated out of a win by his team mate lol.
 
What, specifically, did Denny do thru 1 and 2 that's so bad? Racing for the win, and he left room for MTJ without squeezing him or getting him out of shape. I mean we have all seen Denny race guys dirty on lap 100 fighting for 7th place, but we act like this is rough? Shame on you all for making me defend Dbag Denny......

 
2 Sweet said:
What, specifically, did Denny do thru 1 and 2 that's so bad? Racing for the win, and he left room for MTJ without squeezing him or getting him out of shape. I mean we have all seen Denny race guys dirty on lap 100 fighting for 7th place, but we act like this is rough? Shame on you all for making me defend Dbag Denny......

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You did watch the race. Many times cars were side by side for many laps racing for position. Denny on the other hand drove into turn one with Truex beside him and turned right. Nobody did that all night.
 
StandOnIt said:
You did watch the race. Many times cars were side by side for many laps racing for position. Denny on the other hand drove into turn one with Truex beside him and turned right. Nobody did that all night.
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lol you might want to get your eyes checked. There was no contact, no squeeze, no nothing.

Less than two to go, what should the leader have done? Run down on the apron and let the 2nd place car choose his preferred line?
 
2 Sweet said:
lol you might want to get your eyes checked. There was no contact, no squeeze, no nothing.

Less than two to go, what should the leader have done? Run down on the apron and let the 2nd place car choose his preferred line?
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Race clean.
 
Revman said:
How much of that is Martin laying back? This also is a violation....and I think Martin knows that. He was playing as much of a game as Denny....and NASCAR let it play out....as they should. Martin was beaten when he came out P2.
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Really? Seems like they’re lined up pretty well here. I think the sight and sound of Hamlin gunning it well before the restart box is far more clear. There’s always a degree of gamesmanship on restarts, but this probably would’ve been the clearest restart call they’ve ever made, if they actually had the stones to review it.

The advantage of being the leader on restarts is first lane choice and being able to control the jump inside the restart zone.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Really? Seems like they’re lined up pretty well here. I think the sight and sound of Hamlin gunning it well before the restart box is far more clear. There’s always a degree of gamesmanship on restarts, but this probably would’ve been the clearest restart call they’ve ever made, if they actually had the stones to review it.

The advantage of being the leader on restarts is first lane choice and being able to control the jump inside the restart zone.
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He probably thought all night to come up with that **** a meme story lol.
 
Conover said:
And once again Hamsh*+ sends a gigantic F U to NASCAR. Why do they put up with his crap?
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If it was any dirt race they would have immediately called off the start, put Hamlin a row back and brought Logano up to the front row and tried it again. But as we all know Nascar is Nascar.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Really? Seems like they’re lined up pretty well here. I think the sight and sound of Hamlin gunning it well before the restart box is far more clear. There’s always a degree of gamesmanship on restarts, but this probably would’ve been the clearest restart call they’ve ever made, if they actually had the stones to review it.

The advantage of being the leader on restarts is first lane choice and being able to control the jump inside the restart zone.
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Yeah, and the disadvantage is the herky jerk the 22 is know for. The clearest restart call we were ever aware of...... What do you define as "jump." This stuff isn't clear cut....hence, great no call.
StandOnIt said:
If it was any dirt race they would have immediately called off the start, put Hamlin a row back and brought Logano up to the front row and tried it again. But as we all know Nascar is Nascar.
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Well, then let's just see how they call it at the next dirt race.
Truex_rox said:
What’s up, bro? 😂

Martin just revealed that he is human and prone to err on occasion like everyone else. In his defense, I’m gonna pose a scenario. Put either of us in that 19 car in that scenario. You’ve lead almost all night. Caution waves with 2 to go. That’s gonna provoke some groaning from any driver in the lead, surely, but hey, it happens. Then, you start alongside your team-mate for the final restart. Ok, no biggie yet. What ensues is him jumping the start, foul on the play you would think. Same guy who just jumped the start uses you up into 1, drifting you up the track and putting you into a compromised position while he gets away with the foul. You watch as the win you busted your ass for all night slips away in the windshield in the grasp of a guy that arguably shouldn’t even be in that position… thus adversely affecting the outcome of the race.

Idk bro, I think we’ve seen drivers react worse than Truex giving his team-mate a couple bumps before ducking off into pit road. It’s kinda funny, he reacts like this hardly ever, but when he does, certain parts of the fanbase want to act like he’s totally lost the plot. Meh, I don’t see it. The only part I won’t dispute is the stuff between him and Larson; Larson was doing no differently from Truex and was trying to get the most he could out of a crazy night as well.
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Well, when you put it that way..... ;)
Conover said:
And once again Hamsh*+ sends a gigantic F U to NASCAR. Why do they put up with his crap?
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Love it.
StandOnIt said:
Trying to explain the Yota clown show? One obviously cheated, and the other was trying to batter the 5 car to keep it from passing him because he was mad he was cheated out of a win by his team mate lol.
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LOL. You mad bro? Last 3 of 4, and damn near 4/4. Rollin'
 
Denny Hamlin when asked on his podcast if he jumped the start...


"....ummm... I went pretty early..in the zone... With a goofy "oops" smirk on his face.

Kinda shocked to see him actually admit to it on his podcast.



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JJ_14 said:
I have to agree with everything you said here.
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Revman said:
Well, when you put it that way..... ;)
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You’re both welcome! Here’s my business card:

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Revman said:
Yeah, and the disadvantage is the herky jerk the 22 is know for. The clearest restart call we were ever aware of...... What do you define as "jump." This stuff isn't clear cut....hence, great no call.
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It absolutely is clear cut and Hamlin jumped.

I personally hate restart zones to start with. Just like the wording of the yellow line rule, the restart zone inherently creates more judgement calls. But this one is black and white, Hamlin jumped, and he should’ve been penalized for it.

If we want to give the leader an advantage, which is the purpose of the zone, just go to Delaware rules and be done with it.
 
Since NASCAR is in the business of issuing postmortem penalties, can we review the incident at Charlotte in 1990 where the no. 3 team serviced their car on the track and address it accordingly?
 
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