Cup Races Too Long?

MAGICMILER said:
Indy on dirt.. That would be an absolute sin...
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IndyCar ran on dirt ovals for many decades, into the 1980s. I believe the last sanctioned dirt race that was part of that championship was in 1983.

Mario Andretti and A.J. Foyt, among others, certainly wouldn't share the opinion that dirt racing has no place in that world.
 
Let me clarify. Indianapolis Motor Speedway itself holding a modern day dirt race on the big track for 400 miles with cars from the Indy series racing.
I think I covered it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
All this over an Instagram influencer being bored by one bad race.

Social media is the pits of hell.
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2020:

ftw.usatoday.com

Kevin Harvick on why some 500-mile NASCAR races should be shortened

“There’s no reason that any race outside of a ‘crown jewel’ race is longer than 500 miles,” Kevin Harvick argued.
ftw.usatoday.com ftw.usatoday.com

2017:

nascar.nbcsports.com

Kevin Harvick: Most 500-mile races should be shorter

Outside the "crown jewel" races of the Daytona 500, Coke 600 and Southern 500, Kevin Harvick wants 500-mile races shortened.
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gnomesayin said:
2020:

ftw.usatoday.com

Kevin Harvick on why some 500-mile NASCAR races should be shortened

“There’s no reason that any race outside of a ‘crown jewel’ race is longer than 500 miles,” Kevin Harvick argued.
ftw.usatoday.com ftw.usatoday.com

2017:

nascar.nbcsports.com

Kevin Harvick: Most 500-mile races should be shorter

Outside the "crown jewel" races of the Daytona 500, Coke 600 and Southern 500, Kevin Harvick wants 500-mile races shortened.
nascar.nbcsports.com nascar.nbcsports.com
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Harvick's not the one who instigated this conversation, genius.

The Monster Energy TikTok Star did.

KTMLew01 said:
I've heard this for 20 years. It's not all that new.
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It's an ageless debate that has some merit on both sides, but it's only been reignited because of a social media influencer. Harvick wasn't the catalyst for this one.

There are like three 500 mile races. Most races are done in three hours and change - which is perfectly acceptable. Not every race is going to be great. And we're only having this conversation about 500 mile races because a 400 lap race (just recently shortened from 500) wasn't very good.
 
gnomesayin said:
2020:

ftw.usatoday.com

Kevin Harvick on why some 500-mile NASCAR races should be shortened

“There’s no reason that any race outside of a ‘crown jewel’ race is longer than 500 miles,” Kevin Harvick argued.
ftw.usatoday.com ftw.usatoday.com

2017:

nascar.nbcsports.com

Kevin Harvick: Most 500-mile races should be shorter

Outside the "crown jewel" races of the Daytona 500, Coke 600 and Southern 500, Kevin Harvick wants 500-mile races shortened.
nascar.nbcsports.com nascar.nbcsports.com
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The older he gets the shorter old man Harvie wants the races to be. :XXROFL: :XXROFL:
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The average race should be around three hours, which your average 400 mile race is anyway. Some are going 3.5 hours, which is fine. I don't mind some of these races going down to 300-350 miles.

If they'd drop the stage break crap, they'd have more time. The point of a "TV Timeout" is going to be moot in the next contract anyway I suspect especially if ESPN is in the picture which they more than likely will be.
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Last year, just one 500 mile race took 4 hours to run, the Southeren 500, all the other 500 milers took around 3.5 hours to run.
This year so far, 1 of the 2 500 milers took 4 hours to run, I bet you can guess which one it was.
 
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AndyMarquisLive said:
Harvick's not the one who instigated this conversation, genius.

The Monster Energy TikTok Star did.



It's an ageless debate that has some merit on both sides, but it's only been reignited because of a social media influencer. Harvick wasn't the catalyst for this one.

There are like three 500 mile races. Most races are done in three hours and change - which is perfectly acceptable. Not every race is going to be great. And we're only having this conversation about 500 mile races because a 400 lap race (just recently shortened from 500) wasn't very good.
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LOL there are 6 500 milers
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Harvick's not the one who instigated this conversation, genius.

The Monster Energy TikTok Star did.



It's an ageless debate that has some merit on both sides, but it's only been reignited because of a social media influencer. Harvick wasn't the catalyst for this one.

There are like three 500 mile races. Most races are done in three hours and change - which is perfectly acceptable. Not every race is going to be great. And we're only having this conversation about 500 mile races because a 400 lap race (just recently shortened from 500) wasn't very good.
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I guess you guys can debate who came first, the Harvick or the Hailie. I'm going for a tie if it is today, and going with Harvick by a couple years and by a nose over Hamlin if it is for the overall win.
 
jws926 said:
LOL there are 6 500 milers
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Three, six, who cares? Out of what, 38 races?

Harvick and the TikTok Star are acting like this is a huge problem and constitutes a majority of the races. What happens when the races are shortened to 400 miles, as more and more are? That's not long enough? They need to be 200 miles?

Most of these races run about three hours, which is right about where a sporting event should be.
 
StandOnIt said:
I guess you guys can debate who came first, the Harvick or the Hailie. I'm going for a tie if it is today, and going with Harvick by a couple years and by a nose over Hamlin if it is for the overall win.
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The conversation, in its present tense, was triggered by an Instagram influencer thinking Martinsville was too long.
 
wi_racefan said:
Hell as long as its entertaining I don't care how long it is. I watch as much of the Rolex 24 as I can find on TV

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That Fontana race earlier this year, I could've gone for another hour of it. Hell, I could've watched it for another three hours. :growl:
 
StandOnIt said:
Harvick and Deegan are both of those and they posted within minutes of each other. Hopes that helps with your confusion.
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Not to mention that the Harvick remarks are from a recorded interview that would have to have been recorded earlier than when the clip was posted.
 
If I would have been at the Martinville race, I would probably have spent more time at the hotdog stand then in my seat.
 
BobbyFord said:
Stages suck. 500 mile races haven’t been that entertaining as of late.
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The stages would not suck, as they sure do now, if they kept racing at the end of the stage. Let the teams figure out when to pit for gas and tires, not Nascar. The guy leading at the end of the stage wins the stage and keeps racing.:idunno:
 
sdj said:
The stages would not suck, as they sure do now, if they kept racing at the end of the stage. Let the teams figure out when to pit for gas and tires, not Nascar. The guy leading at the end of the stage wins the stage and keeps racing.:idunno:
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I would settle for that.
Stage cautions are basically phantom debris cautions.
 
2 Sweet said:
Attention spans? GTFO.
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I agree 100%. I am completely over that ****** argument. The blabbers on NASCAR Radio talk about how kids don't pay attention. Give them a video game they like, and they can play for hours. Attention spans aren't the issue. Quality broadcasts that explain the intricacies of this sport is the issue. "Fans" need to learn about what they are watching. There have been assumptions made about what is good for fans that are BS. People will watch what interests them. How long was the Super Bowl? Exactly.
 
sdj said:
The stages would not suck, as they sure do now, if they kept racing at the end of the stage. Let the teams figure out when to pit for gas and tires, not Nascar. The guy leading at the end of the stage wins the stage and keeps racing.:idunno:
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Hell yes to this! Hell yes!
 
StandOnIt said:
I guess you guys can debate who came first, the Harvick or the Hailie. I'm going for a tie if it is today, and going with Harvick by a couple years and by a nose over Hamlin if it is for the overall win.
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Hallie Deegan and her boyfriend weighing in on race lengths. Please. Dear God. Somebody help her.
 
BobbyFord said:
I would settle for that.
Stage cautions are basically phantom debris cautions.
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Actually they are for commercial breaks..ya know that thing called TV? They are the reason your happy ass can watch the races in the first place.
 
If I really wanted to see less lengthy motorsport events I'd think about dumping NASCAR for NHRA. :cool:
 
StandOnIt said:
Actually they are for commercial breaks..ya know that thing called TV? They are the reason your happy ass can watch the races in the first place.
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The broadcasts have no problem going to commercial break at any time they feel like regardless of what's happening in the race, they don't need stage ends. Remember back when they used to cut commercials short if something happened on the track? That doesn't happen anymore.
 
The less cautions the more green flag commercials. They have an X amount of commercials they have to get in at some point during the race.
 
Daytripper said:
The broadcasts have no problem going to commercial break at any time they feel like regardless of what's happening in the race, they don't need stage ends. Remember back when they used to cut commercials short if something happened on the track? That doesn't happen anymore.
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Short memory. It wasn't that long ago that a third, ONE THIRD of the race was covered with cautions before they implemented the stages to alleviate MOST of the commercials covering up the racing. Some need to grow up and remember who is paying the majority of the bills. I don't like commercials either, but it's stupid when everybody knows what the deal is and continues to act like two year olds over it.
 
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