Dale Jr. vs Steve Odonnell on Stenhouse Jr. Penalty

ChexOrWrex said:
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Dale Jr is right. He won a race at Talladega 15 years ago by passing Matt Kenseth below the yellow line. And in recent years, I've seen Denny Hamlin be given a pass on passing below the yellow line on more than one occasion.

I don't like the rule at all. But the only thing worse than the rule is inconsistent enforcement. Sort of like the NFL having a horrible rule about what a catch is, then gifting the Philadelphia Eagles with a Super Bowl by calling two catches that weren't catches by the rule catches.
 
Pat said:
Obviously Junior thinks Stenhouse was forced below the line. Nascar thinks otherwise.
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O'Donnell is saying it's a penalty even if you are forced down, unless you don't advance your position or give your spot back.

The rule is black and white. Jr's problem is that this has been enforced very inconsistently.
 
I’d like to see Steve go tell Jeff Gordon his 1999 Daytona 500 win shouldn’t count.

An artificial boundary just makes things more dangerous. They used to race all over whatever asphalt they could find without consequence. Now there’s an invisible wall to avoid and it nearly killed people at Talladega.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I’d like to see Steve go tell Jeff Gordon his 1999 Daytona 500 win shouldn’t count.

An artificial boundary just makes things more dangerous. They used to race all over whatever asphalt they could find without consequence. Now there’s an invisible wall to avoid and it nearly killed people at Talladega.
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And people wonder why NASCAR gets compared to the WWE? Inconsistent enforcement is one of the reasons. Calls like this one makes NASCAR officials look like the refs in WWE.
 
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The 17 had time to give the position back. Not sure why he didn't but this rule has always been a challenge to enforce and obey.
 
sdj said:
Does anyone here know what caused the (Double Yellow Line Rule at Daytona and Dega) to be put in place? :idunno:
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Meant to prohibit aggressive driving at plate tracks after Dale’s death - even though Dale’s death had zero to do with moving under the apron.

Knee jerk reaction that has caused more harm than safety.
 
sdj said:
Does anyone here know what caused the (Double Yellow Line Rule at Daytona and Dega) to be put in place? :idunno:
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As Spotter mentioned, I think it was mainly because the angle of the apron compared to the racing surface going into the corners is so abrupt that a car with tires on the apron ...... when trying to return to the track would a lot of times shoot up the track instead of blending.
 
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Blaze88 said:
He was FORCED below the line, that's even apart of the rule that if you're forced below no penalty. It's why everytime they are saying "But was he forced down there!" It would be dumb to ask if it didn't matter.
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He was penalized for advancing his position. They give you a lap to give the spot back.
 


Let the DRIVERS figure it out themselves and the only time I remember someone ending up in the grass was this

 
Towmater said:
Why would he be? He's an XFINITY owner. They don't start racing until later this week.
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Just because Xfinity doesn’t start racing till later in the week doesn’t mean he might not like to be there a little early. If I had been driving in Cup as recently as last year and had an Xfinity team racing later in the week, I would still probably want to be there to watch the Cup qualifying and the Clash for 2018.

Daytona is not far from Charlotte and he could easily fly back and forth if he needed to be back in Charlotte for any Xfinity team matters early in the week.
 
Tumbleweed said:
Just because Xfinity doesn’t start racing till later in the week doesn’t mean he might not like to be there a little early. If I had been driving in Cup as recently as last year and had an Xfinity team racing later in the week, I would still probably want to be there to watch the Cup qualifying and the Clash for 2018.

Daytona is not far from Charlotte and he could easily fly back and forth if he needed to be back in Charlotte for any Xfinity team matters early in the week.
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His wife is entering her last trimester of her pregnancy. Also, his life, except when he's in the booth with NBC, doesn't revolve around Cup any longer. He's spent his entire life in the limelight. He's more than likely happy to finally be allowed to take a step back and enjoy things outside of racing. I know I would be.
 
kymartin6 said:
As Spotter mentioned, I think it was mainly because the angle of the apron compared to the racing surface going into the corners is so abrupt that a car with tires on the apron ...... when trying to return to the track would a lot of times shoot up the track instead of blending.
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Don't want the drivers going down there, build a wall.
 
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