Dale Jr. vs Steve Odonnell on Stenhouse Jr. Penalty

What I saw was a driver holding his line and another driver of equal speed came down and forced A - the driver to hold his line and wreck or B- go below the line and not get wrecked and or damaged. Driver chose B and was rewarded with a penalty. He did not go below the line to advance his position, he went below the line to avoid contact and possible damage to his race car or wreck himself and a bunch of other race cars.
He chose wisely and was penalized for using common sense. JMHO
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
What if all the drivers would take Jeff Gordon's stance that @ChexOrWrex posted a few posts up? Post #73.

Say they all start deciding to hold their ground instead of moving below the line. If that were to happen, they may as well have a car crusher parked in the infield to finish the process. I think holding their ground would have far greater consequences than someone that passes down below that line. If you'r inside someone, you're inside someone. If someone comes down on you it seems ridiculous that you should be expected to back off giving the spot back. Let these guys race. It's already self policing.
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I like @Team Penske 's solution in post #47 much better. It would solve multiple problems, not just the yellow line issue.
 
Spotter22 said:
Right, and eliminate any escape possibilities by building that wall. This isnt South Boston or Kenly.
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I'm being facetious to make a point.

If you don't want drivers running somewhere, don't make it possible for them to do so. NASCAR doesn't prohibit drivers from cutting the dogleg at Phoenix.

Drivers don't try to pass on the apron in the corners because it's a sure way to crash. But there's no harm whatsoever in going below the yellow line on the apron. If you get too low, you could end up in the grass -- but again, it will be like every other track where the drivers will police themselves.

It's an unnecessary rule. And IMO, it encourages wrecking. But then again, that's what people tune in to the Daytona 500 and Talladega 500 to see, cars flipping and 20 car crashes.
 
I posted this question to @odsteve last night on twitter. He didnt respond.

Dear @odsteve, The way the rule is written and enforced is going to lead to a lot of tore up cars and possibly an injured driver or spectator. Are you and NASCAR ok with this?
 
NASCAR rules are never plain and clear. That said, if RSJ held his ground, people would still put the fault on Kyle. He wasn't giving a lot of room there, certainly not enough for Stenhouse to run comfortable. I figured what Kes did to Edwards at Talladega would've been enough to change it back, or loosen up the rulings, but because it didn't, I think NASCAR did make the right call. It's just a dumb rule for racers to have to follow.
 
Most of yous should look at a photo of the track. Some will never get it, some probably won't remember when Jr ripped off his whole left front suspension hitting a pot hole in the grass a couple years ago. I don't remember the track, a Jr fan probably will, but the principal is the same.
 
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sdj said:
Nascar knows they screwed this call up, but, they ain't a never gonna admit it. :cool:
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It was the right call though.

And based on the replays, I'm not sure Busch forced him out. Stenhouse was already below the yellow line. But Busch was going to force him below there regardless and once you've committed to passing someone on the inside at Daytona, you can't just lift and back out of it.

I don't hate the call, I hate the rule. I've always hated this rule for three reasons. Racers are going to block, racers are going to use every inch of track that's available to them to race on, and racers are going to instinctively make a move to avoid crashing.

NASCAR implemented this rule to discourage blocking. However, the fundamental problem is that this rule "discourages blocking" by penalizing the driver who is being blocked. Because of that, this rule has never discourages blocking and, IMO, it encourages blocking and encourages wrecking the guy in front of you.
 
once more..at Daytona take away the line and they will cut the corner in the tri oval. Stenhouse would have been going end over end in the grass is a real possibility.
 
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