Dover truck race

reck said:
Some would but I always think of Lebron in these instances. People used to think he was overrated and that he would never win a championship.

He goes on to win 1...then 2 and possibly a 3 one and now people see him in a whole new light.

But you have to earn the respect.
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Mark Martin never won a championship yet he is likely the most respected driver in cup.
 
Its not that i dont like Kyle Busch, his driving style is aggressive & he's a capitalizer which I like. What I dont like is him dominating a series 2 tiers below his skill level & trying to do the same in Nationwide. Thank God for Larson & Elliott
 
The difference in competition among the teams in the truck series amazes me. I feel like there's only a few people that have a legitimate shot at winning any given weekend.

As for Busch, I'll be the one to say that I do not care for him for multiple reasons, but I can't argue the fact he is a great driver. I just think it's not good for the truck series, or nationwide series for that matter, to see him absolutely dominant the races like he does.

I'm not saying he should just quit doing it, because he has a right to race anytime he wants. But there has to be young drivers out there that can bring sponsors with them so they can make a name for themselves like for instance, Busch has.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
When Busch was racing in the nationwide series before he got to cup, I dont believe he had to race against full time cuppers every saturday.

He's just feeding his ego.
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Agreed. Once upon a time I myself was a Kyle Busch fan until...1.) I realized what a snake in the grass Joe Gibbs is...and 2.) what a measly douche bag Kyle must be to think he is actually accomplishing something in the lower tiers.
He is an awesome wheel man and is an awesome addition to the cup series, but he tears his greatness down by playing with kids when he is a man.
BASICALLY HE IS A CREEPER!!!
 
ChexOrWrex said:
When Busch was racing in the nationwide series before he got to cup, I dont believe he had to race against full time cuppers every saturday.

He's just feeding his ego.
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In 2004, KB finished second in the Nationwide series. More than half of the races that year were won by cup regulars.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Its not that i dont like Kyle Busch, his driving style is aggressive & he's a capitalizer which I like. What I dont like is him dominating a series 2 tiers below his skill level & trying to do the same in Nationwide. Thank God for Larson & Elliott
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Who is in Kyle's truck 5 of the next 6 races?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
When Busch was racing in the nationwide series before he got to cup, I dont believe he had to race against full time cuppers every saturday.

He's just feeding his ego.
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....or he just loves to race. What an a**hole, huh?
 
KahneFan said:
The difference in competition among the teams in the truck series amazes me. I feel like there's only a few people that have a legitimate shot at winning any given weekend.

As for Busch, I'll be the one to say that I do not care for him for multiple reasons, but I can't argue the fact he is a great driver. I just think it's not good for the truck series, or nationwide series for that matter, to see him absolutely dominant the races like he does.

I'm not saying he should just quit doing it, because he has a right to race anytime he wants. But there has to be young drivers out there that can bring sponsors with them so they can make a name for themselves like for instance, Busch has.
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Blows me away that everybody bitches except for the drivers he beats. They want him there, but I am sure board members know better. Carry on...
 
Blaze88 said:
Kyle staying out would make it better. As a Kyle fan how can you enjoy it? I'd hate if Jr was doing this because it's not like it's a challenge, I've cheered Nationwide guys over Jr before (the proof is in the race threads of ones he's in) wouldn't you rather he do this good in Cup?
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I would watch Kyle Busch race Senior Citizens on their scooters. He would kick their smelly old asses BTW. :D
 
Revman said:
I would watch Kyle Busch race Senior Citizens on their scooters. He would kick their smelly old asses BTW. :D
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I would like it if they would implement a rule that would say 1 driver can only drive a max of 10 races within that year in any other nascar series combined.
 
Love a thread that includes the Kyle hasn't won a Cup BS. Few have, yet the other guys who haven't won one don't take nearly the ****.
 
Fordracing7 said:
I would like it if they would implement a rule that would say 1 driver can only drive a max of 10 races within that year in any other nascar series combined.
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The only people wanting that are the ones who aren't racing him. His competitors want him there.
 
Revman said:
The only people wanting that are the ones who aren't racing him. His competitors want him there.
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It's not a kyle rule....that's what they say but im sure it's still getting frustrating for guys to run second all the time.
 
Fordracing7 said:
It's not a kyle rule....that's what they say but im sure it's still getting frustrating for guys to run second all the time.
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The Almighty Chase Elliot points out that winning while beating Kyle makes it all the more special.
 
pudge said:
do you really think the 2nd pace truck is glad he's there.
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Anybody with any balls would recognize that a 2nd with Kyle there is more meaningful than winning simply because he isn't. Who knows though?
 
John c said:
Agreed. Once upon a time I myself was a Kyle Busch fan until...1.) I realized what a snake in the grass Joe Gibbs is...and 2.) what a measly douche bag Kyle must be to think he is actually accomplishing something in the lower tiers.
He is an awesome wheel man and is an awesome addition to the cup series, but he tears his greatness down by playing with kids when he is a man.
BASICALLY HE IS A CREEPER!!!
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Lol so Joe Gibbs devout Christian is a snake and Rick Hendrick isn't? Pot meet kettle. And calling him a creeper is just trolling
 
ChexOrWrex said:
When Busch was racing in the nationwide series before he got to cup, I dont believe he had to race against full time cuppers every saturday.

He's just feeding his ego.
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And his sponsor, maybe you have noticed the "monster" logo on other racing vehicles, most of which win races. Monster doesnt spend money on losers
 
i wish the top 30 cup drivers would also run the truck races that kyle are entered in. and there's no way that a driver is thinking how meaningful it is to run 2nd to a cup driver, who running in minor leagues. i bet that the record book will never state he came in 2nd but it was to kyle busch so it was a meaningful
 
Fordracing7 said:
It's not a kyle rule....that's what they say but im sure it's still getting frustrating for guys to run second all the time.
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Why dont they build their own trucks and beat him then ?? Last time I checked Rowdy has made over a hundred and twenty million piloting race cars. Kyle has raised the bar in Nascar, thats what great drivers do.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
You mean he has made owners go to the bar because of lost sponsors :p
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I don't know Chex, it looks like Kyle has become more and more friendly with Monsters and M&Ms. He's getting a bit pudgy.

To feed his ego, maybe. Improve his stats, maybe. Honestly, I don't know about this situation. I joke, but I really don't know because Kyle uses that track time to his advantage on Sunday and vice versa. 2011, was that the year he did not compete in Nationwide or Trucks as much. He finished lower in the standings that year, at least I think so. Its his thing, he likes to race and does it for a living. I appreciate the fact that he is giving people needed jobs and giving a benchmark for others.

Its Kyle Busch. Someone I will never really understand.
 
Smoke14 said:
Mark Martin never won a championship yet he is likely the most respected driver in cup.
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You are spot on. I never put that much value on championships. Luck plays a lot into whether or not you win a championship. So far this year Kevin Harvick has had one of the best cars out there and he is doing an outstanding job of driving...but because of bad pit stop mistakes and some really bad luck he has won less then half of the races he should have won. If this would have happened at the end of the year then it would probably cost him a championship. Hence the saying, i would rather be lucky then good. It takes a whole lot of both to win a championship. You can have two drivers, two pit crews, and two cars exactly the same...but only one can be the champion... and luck will be a big factor in which one it is.
 
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Blaze88 said:
You replied to someone else, and liked a post that was after mine, lol so don't try that.

But look at the facts here, I don't like Kyle yes, but if he wins Cup races I give him his congrats.

Drivers I like(Kevin,Brad,Joey) wins Nationwide races also or Truck races, I dislike that.

So hater? or just someone who doesn't like when people go down a series to win?
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Seriously.

I still can't watch Nationwide races even when Harvick is in contention. I have no interest in that; I'd much rather see him win on Sunday.
 
sloggie said:
The problem isn't Kyle Bush. The problem is the terrible quality of the drivers and teams in the truck series. It's getting pathetic.
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Seriously? The Truck Series has gone from being a senior circuit to a solid mix of young talent and seasoned veterans.

Teams probably wouldn't be struggling so much if they didn't have to squeeze every last bit of HP out of the engines and spend so much time in the wind tunnel working on aero so they can run the same giant tracks Cup does. Why NASCAR moved this series away from its roots and took away its identity is beyond me.
 
Smoke14 said:
Mark Martin never won a championship yet he is likely the most respected driver in cup.
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And so was Jeff Burton and a few others I'm sure I'm forgettting.

But just think about those names for a second and realize why that was the case.
 
reck said:
And so was Jeff Burton and a few others I'm sure I'm forgettting.

But just think about those names for a second and realize why that was the case.
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Roush?

Mark Martin would have surely won the championship back in 98 if he had that season any other year.

It was his strongest career season winning 9 races.
Unfortunately for him it was also Jeff Gordon's strongest career season with him winning 13 races, and finishing 2nd 5 times on top of it.

Had MM had the season he had in 98 any other year, MM has a championship.
I've always felt bad for MM because of that.
 
mreed said:
Roush?

Mark Martin would have surely won the championship back in 98 if he had that season any other year.

It was his strongest career season winning 9 races.
Unfortunately for him it was also Jeff Gordon's strongest career season with him winning 13 races, and finishing 2nd 5 times on top of it.

Had MM had the season he had in 98 any other year, MM has a championship.
I've always felt bad for MM because of that.
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No.

Those guys were really mature even in their younger days and barely complain about every little thing like Kyle does.

Winning a championship doesn't automatically make you respectable. Just look at Brad. Dont think he's respected much in the garage.
 
reck said:
No.

Those guys were really mature even in their younger days and barely complain about every little thing like Kyle does.

Winning a championship doesn't automatically make you respectable. Just look at Brad. Dont think he's respected much in the garage.
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Oh, I thought you meant think of those two names and why they never won a championship, not why they are so respected in the sport.

my bad.
 
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