Electric pit gun?

BobbyFord said:
No. It’s because they wanted the fastest most efficient way to change tires. Time is money. If you can’t do it right, paint houses.
Most teams get it right every stop.
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Yep, time is money that is why the employees work at a snails pace. :D
 
Maybe I'm in the minority but I like the idea! I'm not sure how it compares with the pneumatics that the pit Crews use but the Milwaukee torque gun that I use at work is pretty damn powerful and fast. We use them with the lithium batteries, I have one at home also that we use changing the tires on the drift cars that my boy builds. They will snap your wrist if you're not ready for them. I think someone needs to make a video with the Milwaukee gun versus a pneumatic gun!
 
BobbyFord said:
Don’t tell that to auto mechanics.
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Actually I'm a journeyman plumber and I do both plumbing and pipe fitting at all kinds of industrial settings - from Hi-Tech places like Intel and Microsoft to high rises to Industrial facilities and all we use are cordless tools anymore. Pretty much only Milwaukee brand also. Milwaukee has really gotten it together over the last five to 10 years and they build powerful long lasting good quality tools. Put one of the new lithium batteries on them and I can do anything with a battery-operated tool that anyone else can do with a corded or pneumatic.
 
TommyGunn said:
Actually I'm a journeyman plumber and I do both plumbing and pipe fitting at all kinds of industrial settings - from Hi-Tech places like Intel and Microsoft to high rises to Industrial facilities and all we use are cordless tools anymore. Pretty much only Milwaukee brand also. Milwaukee has really gotten it together over the last five to 10 years and they build powerful long lasting good quality tools. Put one of the new lithium batteries on them and I can do anything with a battery-operated tool that anyone else can do with a corded or pneumatic.
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I don’t doubt your claims and I too own many electric powered tools. However, if I’m in a setting where I have air, I will almost always choose the pneumatic tool.
I built a few wood fences in the past few years and used electric drills and screwdrivers. When it comes to time, you can’t beat a corded electric screw gun. You’ll need several battery packs to run plank screws in 100’ of linear fence.
Another example of pneumatic over electric is roofing. Nobody in roofing uses electric nailers. They’re too slow and not as reliable as pneumatic.
 
Again though, we’re talking automotive. There’s no substitute for pneumatic tools unless you’re in a remote location.
 
The real question in this thread is, can you remove and install 20 lug nuts in 11 seconds with two electric impacts.
The answer is, no.
 
BobbyFord said:
The real question in this thread is, can you remove and install 20 lug nuts in 11 seconds with two electric impacts.
The answer is, no.
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They won’t need to moving forward. Just 4.

Having an electric gun means there are less obstacles for crew members to jump over while on pit road, which is absolutely safer.

Don’t be surprised if it comes next season or the following.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
They won’t need to moving forward. Just 4.

Having an electric gun means there are less obstacles for crew members to jump over while on pit road, which is absolutely safer.

Don’t be surprised if it comes next season or the following.
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Don’t be surprised if it doesn’t.
 
Cordless electric impact are able to produce the needed torque to work by using a VERY low gear ratio, meaning they turn VERY slowly in comparison to pneumatic air guns. The current top of the line Milwaukee cordless has a no load speed of 1950RPM. A stock IR Thunder Gun is 10,000 RPM, a modified one in the 15,000 RPM range, and the guns Gibbs was using before the spec gun came in was likely 20,000+. Even with a single lug wheel, a cordless gun would be be FAR too slow. I also have personal experience where on a couple of instances I tried to remove wheels that had been put on with an air gun during the race and then I tried to remove them with an electric corded impact in the garage after the race and it wouldn't even budge the lug nuts. I had to go drag the war wagon with the nitogen bottles back over to the garage and use the air guns to get the wheels off.
 
Formerjackman said:
Cordless electric impact are able to produce the needed torque to work by using a VERY low gear ratio, meaning they turn VERY slowly in comparison to pneumatic air guns. The current top of the line Milwaukee cordless has a no load speed of 1950RPM. A stock IR Thunder Gun is 10,000 RPM, a modified one in the 15,000 RPM range, and the guns Gibbs was using before the spec gun came in was likely 20,000+. Even with a single lug wheel, a cordless gun would be be FAR too slow. I also have personal experience where on a couple of instances I tried to remove wheels that had been put on with an air gun during the race and then I tried to remove them with an electric corded impact in the garage after the race and it wouldn't even budge the lug nuts. I had to go drag the war wagon with the nitogen bottles back over to the garage and use the air guns to get the wheels off.
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They won’t believe you. They don’t own or use tools.
 
Formerjackman said:
Cordless electric impact are able to produce the needed torque to work by using a VERY low gear ratio, meaning they turn VERY slowly in comparison to pneumatic air guns. The current top of the line Milwaukee cordless has a no load speed of 1950RPM. A stock IR Thunder Gun is 10,000 RPM, a modified one in the 15,000 RPM range, and the guns Gibbs was using before the spec gun came in was likely 20,000+. Even with a single lug wheel, a cordless gun would be be FAR too slow. I also have personal experience where on a couple of instances I tried to remove wheels that had been put on with an air gun during the race and then I tried to remove them with an electric corded impact in the garage after the race and it wouldn't even budge the lug nuts. I had to go drag the war wagon with the nitogen bottles back over to the garage and use the air guns to get the wheels off.
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That’s as good an explanation as we’re going to get.

Not happening.
 
aunty dive said:
That’s as good an explanation as we’re going to get.

Not happening.
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Well to the best of my knowledge no one has tried to build an electric one to fit these parameters. I can almost guarantee that if you gave a group of engineers 6 months they could come up with something very competitive

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wi_racefan said:
Well to the best of my knowledge no one has tried to build an electric one to fit these parameters. I can almost guarantee that if you gave a group of engineers 6 months they could come up with something very competitive

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They can’t even get the aero/HP fixed. You think they can do lug guns?
FWIW, NOBODY in top motorsports uses an electric impact gun.
Choose another hill on which to die.
 
With the attitude of some in this thread, we’d be watching NAHPSR.

National Association of Horse Pulled Wagon Racing.

“It’s can’t be done” just means that “nobody has tried it yet”.

The technology isn’t here yet. There is no promise that it won’t be here in the years to come.
 
Formerjackman said:
Cordless electric impact are able to produce the needed torque to work by using a VERY low gear ratio, meaning they turn VERY slowly in comparison to pneumatic air guns. The current top of the line Milwaukee cordless has a no load speed of 1950RPM. A stock IR Thunder Gun is 10,000 RPM, a modified one in the 15,000 RPM range, and the guns Gibbs was using before the spec gun came in was likely 20,000+. Even with a single lug wheel, a cordless gun would be be FAR too slow. I also have personal experience where on a couple of instances I tried to remove wheels that had been put on with an air gun during the race and then I tried to remove them with an electric corded impact in the garage after the race and it wouldn't even budge the lug nuts. I had to go drag the war wagon with the nitogen bottles back over to the garage and use the air guns to get the wheels off.
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Thanks for a reasoned, factual explanation with no name calling or 'apples to oranges' comparisons.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
With the attitude of some in this thread, we’d be watching NAHPSR.

National Association of Horse Pulled Wagon Racing.

“It’s can’t be done” just means that “nobody has tried it yet”.

The technology isn’t here yet. There is no promise that it won’t be here in the years to come.
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You prolly have no screwdriver experience.
 
wi_racefan said:
Well to the best of my knowledge no one has tried to build an electric one to fit these parameters. I can almost guarantee that if you gave a group of engineers 6 months they could come up with something very competitive

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But no one has..How long has racing been around?
 
The whole comparison is apples to oranges as there's no electric impact to compare to a race pit gun.

Comparing a pit gun to an industrial impact is literally apples to oranges.

Yes they current ones are slower but if everyone is using the same one we slow the pit stop down 2 seconds? Your only running up what 1.5" of thread? That loss in RPM will likely be overcome by the reduction of from 5 studs to 1.

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MAGICMILER said:
But no one has..How long has racing been around?
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I imagine most rule books state that pit guns must be pneumatic powered. Why spend money developing technologies that you're not allowed to use? That sounds like a waste of money to me

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wi_racefan said:
The whole comparison is apples to oranges as there's no electric impact to compare to a race pit gun.

Comparing a pit gun to an industrial impact is literally apples to oranges.

Yes they current ones are slower but if everyone is using the same one we slow the pit stop down 2 seconds? Your only running up what 1.5" of thread? That loss in RPM will likely be overcome by the reduction of from 5 studs to 1.

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Jesus man, the comparison videos are on YouTube.
NONE, are in a motorsport environment.
Electric guns suck in just about every competitive scenario to pneumatic unless you’re stranded in the desert.
Explain the competitive advantage of an electric impact if pneumatics are available.
 
BobbyFord said:
Jesus man, the comparison videos are on YouTube.
NONE, are in a motorsport environment.
Electric guns suck in just about every competitive scenario to pneumatic unless you’re stranded in the desert.
Explain the competitive advantage of an electric impact if pneumatics are available.
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Never said there is a competitive advantage. But a huge safety advantage. We currently have mandated pit guns so what competitive advantage are you looking for? Everyone is already using the same ones.

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wi_racefan said:
I imagine most rule books state that pit guns must be pneumatic powered. Why spend money developing technologies that you're not allowed to use? That sounds like a waste of money to me

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You answered your own original question
 
MAGICMILER said:
But no one has..How long has racing been around?
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I’m sure you’re glad we aren’t still racing 20 horsepower engines from the Model T.

Nobody then tried to develop anything more powerful. Why try, right? /s

Innovation.
 
wi_racefan said:
Never said there is a competitive advantage. But a huge safety advantage. We currently have mandated pit guns so what competitive advantage are you looking for? Everyone is already using the same ones.

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You’re “worried” about safety but you tune into Daytona and Talladega at every opportunity.
Good job 👍🏻
 
wi_racefan said:
Never said there is a competitive advantage. But a huge safety advantage. We currently have mandated pit guns so what competitive advantage are you looking for? Everyone is already using the same ones.

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WTF?
Are you saying there isn’t a competitive advantage to pneumatic lug guns? That’s the WHOLE argument.
Electric guns SUCK compared to pneumatic.
Please explain in detail the safety advantages, with incident numbers, for the push for the need for electric lug guns.
Please, explain with references, the perceived advantages and which pro motorsports genres use these electric guns.
 
Formerjackman said:
Cordless electric impact are able to produce the needed torque to work by using a VERY low gear ratio, meaning they turn VERY slowly in comparison to pneumatic air guns. The current top of the line Milwaukee cordless has a no load speed of 1950RPM. A stock IR Thunder Gun is 10,000 RPM, a modified one in the 15,000 RPM range, and the guns Gibbs was using before the spec gun came in was likely 20,000+. Even with a single lug wheel, a cordless gun would be be FAR too slow. I also have personal experience where on a couple of instances I tried to remove wheels that had been put on with an air gun during the race and then I tried to remove them with an electric corded impact in the garage after the race and it wouldn't even budge the lug nuts. I had to go drag the war wagon with the nitogen bottles back over to the garage and use the air guns to get the wheels off.
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Thanks- that's the kind of info I was looking for when I said I didn't know how they would compare with what pit crews are using. I still think with a single nut they could do 4 tires with a couple cordless in the time it takes to fuel- yes/no? And why didn't you just grab a 4 way and take them off the old fashioned way instead of dragging the war wagon over 😄?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I’m sure you’re glad we aren’t still racing 20 horsepower engines from the Model T.

Nobody then tried to develop anything more powerful. Why try, right? /s

Innovation.
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Yeah. So many forms of Motorsport have adapted Electric tire changing technology in the last 100 years. Such innovation...
If it was advantageous, it would have been implemented already. Seems pnuematics are the preferred choice.
 
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