Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

Obviously nearly impossible with constant changing competition etc, but imagine he does this for the next 10 years and gets 50 all on road courses.
 
Revman said:
NASCAR has given the fans a credible product...maybe with a Champion who could be arguable,
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LMAO (especially in the context of this thread and the larger discussion). I guess NASCAR themselves now disagrees that this format is working for the fans.
 
HoneyBadger said:
It's a failing marketing strategy, no matter how you look at it.
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It makes sense for NASCAR to work in this way because they own half the tracks, they are the ones with the TV deal, blah blah blah. That it has led to the sport declining in attendance and interest hasn't mattered to NASCAR because the bottom line has always increased thanks to media deals. It definitely matters to the teams since NASCAR's ability to put brands in front of people is how they are able to obtain sponsors who have to find justification in what marketing partnerships they engage in, but that is a secondary concern for NASCAR. NASCAR really would just be as likely to put 36 identical cars on track that they own as they would be to have team owners.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I too didn’t know this because I had a sever case of Playoff Fever as Ross was doing Ross things and reversing his way out of the always compelling playoffs.
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With the fudged up points system like it is, these guys have a glass ceiling with the constant resetting of the points. Every round when it is over should put the drivers who don't advance where they would be when back in regular season points mode. A last place win and you are in driver shouldn't be locked into first round points and deny guys who were close to making the original reset of the points cut off. McDowell's good finish was overlooked, That isn't fair to him, his team, sponsors and his fans. The same thing happened to SVG...you won, whoopie, see ya, we have to interview Ross the 21st place car.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Breaking news: champion who has won championships in this system, loves this system. In other news, water is wet.

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It's remarkable how many people within the most popular form of auto racing in the country decided that the actual racing product is so unappealing that it needed this absurd system of bells and whistles to be grafted on top of it. It started with Brian France, who hated racing and liked football and basketball instead. But many of these lifelong racers are convinced of it too.

"What could people possibly enjoy about this without cutlines?"
 
gnomesayin said:
It's remarkable how many people within the most popular form of auto racing in the country decided that the actual racing product is so unappealing that it needed this absurd system of bells and whistles to be grafted on top of it. It started with Brian France, who hated racing and liked football and basketball instead. But many of these lifelong racers are convinced of it too.

"What could people possibly enjoy about this without cutlines?"
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Almost Joey Logano's entire career has been spent with him being told that what people want is to see a Game 7 Moment and he has materially benefited from the system developed to employ that. I am sure he does actually believe that NASCAR fans really want to watch the guys running in the back half of the 36 car field because Cutlines. Otherwise, he's been lied to for a very long time.

I do legitimately think there are some people who've been around for a minute and yet never known anything else who must be puzzled at this about face because they've honestly believed these things that have been said for years and years and years.
 
More questionable behavior. Starts at about the 125 mark when Custer's Ford starts pushing. Now who tells their driver that at that stage of the race with 3 laps to go?

 
Some are saying that Hamlin was pissed because he passed Ross and now has to deal with Logano. It looks like that was what he was saying. And they ask why we are tired of this playoff B.S.
 
Great. We've gone from not passing a driver so he can stay above the cut line, to falling behind him so he can get back above the line, to not passing a less competitive driver in order to keep a more competitive one out. I expect by Martinsville the non-playoff teams will be pitting in the third stage for a splash every couple of laps, and replacing tires one per stop.

Why not do it sports car style and score the playoff drivers in a separate class? Then the Gerbils could completely ignore the rest of the field, like LMP2 cars.

Sheesh...
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Great. We've gone from not passing a driver so he can stay above the cut line, to falling behind him so he can get back above the line, to not passing a less competitive driver in order to keep a more competitive one out. I expect by Martinsville the non-playoff teams will be pitting in the third stage for a splash every couple of laps, and replacing tires one per stop.

Why not do it sports car style and score the playoff drivers in a separate class? Then the Gerbils could completely ignore the rest of the field, like LMP2 cars.

Sheesh...
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They pretty much already do ignore the field. I didn't know McDowell scored a top 5 until he posted it himself.
 
rd45usa said:
What the spotters can and can't say to the drivers during a playoff race.
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I listened to a clip from the 22 team and they were going on and on saying that Hamlin wasn't going to pass Chastain. They were wrong, but they were saying it on their radios. It's typical Nascar, some can and some can't and some will get penalizes while others don't.
 
StandOnIt said:
I listened to a clip from the 22 team and they were going on and on saying that Hamlin wasn't going to pass Chastain. They were wrong, but they were saying it on their radios. It's typical Nascar, some can and some can't and some will get penalizes while others don't.
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Hamlin has taken the fire from the haters two weeks in a row.
 
StandOnIt said:
Some are saying that Hamlin was pissed because he passed Ross and now has to deal with Logano. It looks like that was what he was saying. And they ask why we are tired of this playoff B.S.
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Lip reading and guessing what he meant.....the playoffs aren't the problem.
 
Pretty damning evidence has come out the last couple days, let's see if Nascar grows a pair and does something about it. It's way past time to do something about manufactor manipulation in the races. It's ramped up considerably since playoffs began.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
His 2012 championship and career accomplishments make him apart of the conversation imo
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Not to mention Keselowski being the #17 team car owner and watching Buescher get screwed out of entry in the first round of playoffs last year because a last place "win and you are in" car won a plate race and screwed them out of it. Kez knows from where he speaks. $$$$ fly away.
 
NASCAR and the tracks are relying on TV deals instead of butts in the seats. This means they need people to watch to continue to increase the money they get from TV. That isn't happening. TV ratings are declining. As long as that happens, Fox, NBC, ESPN, or whoever can ask for less money (comparatively speaking) when the next deal comes around. Contrast that to the NFL that will get much more on their next deal. Contrary to public opinion, there's only so much money to go around.
 
StandOnIt said:
I listened to a clip from the 22 team and they were going on and on saying that Hamlin wasn't going to pass Chastain. They were wrong, but they were saying it on their radios. It's typical Nascar, some can and some can't and some will get penalizes while others don't.
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Hamlin took more time to pass Chastain than I expected. I was starting to wonder if he would.
 
gnomesayin said:
Another playoffs cutoff race ratings bonanza. Nothing pulls in the casuals like this.

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It seems like the more NBC hypes the playoffs and screams their fool heads off the more they are driving the fans away. I can't imagine how come resetting the points every three races and completely ignoring the rest of the field with a points system that only a computer would love is running racing fans away.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I think that says more about USA than about the playoffs. It's a legitimate comparison but better suited to the Announcers thread.
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USA is owned by NBC. The same hysterical nonsense on both, same people producing it, doing it. And no I don't need nerd stats and reasoning/justification with my comment, it is the same both places and proven on whatever network the "playoffs" are on. Remember earlier this year I proved that all the switching of providers was a bad move for ratings. The playoffs are in addition to that nonsense.
 
I like Justin Marks I really do, but what he says about every driver is out there to get the best finish they can is complete B.S.. There are posts above in this thread that proves it isn't the case at all Including Hamlin mad he wasn't told not to pass Chastain among others, Custer and the Fords (Logano).
 
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