Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

All of you who bring up people having great seasons, and still losing under the old format. Show me a driver who led in this many categories and still didn't win.
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"Hate the game, not the player," and other variants of that phrase is needed words of wisdom in times like these.

The racers didn't create the point system and if anything they deserve credit for being real enough to have the courage to chase their dreams. Some people never get off the porch and simply entering the arena requires a bravery that eliminates many pretenders.

But the need for the message is a very telling thing. Especially when a defense is needed for the warriors that have won by being the best at meeting the prescibed criteria or demands.

It is just another evidence of the disservice that the resets have created. The whole thing is sick enough to be classed as corrupt, and I dont mean that in the sense or unfairly favoring anyone.

Drivers like Jessie Love and Joey Logano deserve the respect, they are the players as defined by the wisdom of the quote. As an aside, I prefer the more respectful "warrior and racer" terminology over simply calling them a player. Racing is tough, and anyone that is good enough to seriously contend in a Cup, Xfinity, or Truck race should standout among the masses. The snark for them is just to easy.

But "the game" or resets deserves all of the rage and hatred it gets. It is the wrong way to stun and shock the world. It is the wrong kind of headline. It adds too much chaos and to many spin the bottle elements to the hard work and the science of racing.

The idiotic nature of the system is the corruption. It is truly a bad joke. Some thing created by cynical minds. A love for the product would never be so wreckless, they would not be irresponsible enough to let it happen.
 
Blaze said:
Half being wins.. 16 being top 3. Just incredible numbers. Really hope he pans out in Cup. He definitely made a fan out of me this season
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yea same, he was fun to watch. Hes probably the best prospect I've ever seen or at least can think of at this moment after daylight savings time at 955 am central when it feels like its 1055 am lmao which is leaving me for a loop. I hate this day every year.
 
rd45usa said:
The 88 team will go down as the team that finally made Nascar to do away with the one race championship race. They proved just how much a one race for the championship is a sham.
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Good start, if a little too late (like, 10 year too late). Now we gotta get rid of a post-season all together.
 
yea the 3-3-4 format is like a half @assed band aid. I assume you'll still have the "win and in", multiple points resets and then going to the same 4 tracks at the end of the year which would give a team or driver an advantage. If this system is the one, the last 4 need to be rotated on a yearly basis, thats the only fair way to crown a champion imo
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
yea the 3-3-4 format is like a half @assed band aid. I assume you'll still have the "win and in", multiple points resets and then going to the same 4 tracks at the end of the year which would give a team or driver an advantage. If this system is the one, the last 4 need to be rotated on a yearly basis, thats the only fair way to crown a champion imo
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This will be a hot take and one people disagree with I'm sure.

But if it's a 4 race final

Idc the order. But Road Course, Short Track, Super Speedway, and 1.5 mile Track should be the 4. Give it a mix of all of what NASCAR has to offer.
 
Blaze said:
This will be a hot take and one people disagree with I'm sure.

But if it's a 4 race final

Idc the order. But Road Course, Short Track, Super Speedway, and 1.5 mile Track should be the 4. Give it a mix of all of what NASCAR has to offer.
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That’s a good mix of tracks but it needs to be a DIFFERENT 4 tracks each year.
 
Doc Austin said:
OK, but don't be upset if we get something worse.
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That's an approach that leads to stagnation. Yes, we may get something worse but until we try, we don't know. I fought that attitude most of my career.

The real problem arises when people with pride or professional reputations on the line refuse to acknowledge that the change has made things worse, and fight either a second change or a reversion to the previous approach. Indeed, that's why we've been stuck for 20 years.

Another problem is insufficient testing. NASCAR didn't have to roll out a playoff system across all three top series at the same time. It could have tested one with Trucks or X for a couple of years.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That's an approach that leads to stagnation. Yes, we may get something worse but until we try, we don't know. I fought that attitude most of my career.

The real problem arises when people with pride or professional reputations on the line refuse to acknowledge that the change has made things worse, and fight either a second change or a reversion to the previous approach. Indeed, that's why we've been stuck for 20 years.

Another problem is insufficient testing. NASCAR didn't have to roll out a playoff system across all three top series at the same time. It could have tested one with Trucks or X for a couple of years.
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I believe nepo baby Brian started his in Cup first. Arguably the start of the worst series of this insanity.I don't believe Xfinity or the Trucks had a playoff at that point. It wasn't until recently that Fox in the trucks begrudgingly started having it. The first couple of years they didn't say much about it, very little hype. The last couple of years, this year really they played it up (because Heim was so obvious) IMO.

I guarentee if the gerbils had a full season, they would be talking playoffs at Daytona.
 
Sometimes I feel like I am experiencing a mass gaslighting. During the era of full season points, the broadcasters were obsessed with the championship and focused disproportionately on the championship contenders.
 
Naitch said:
Sometimes I feel like I am experiencing a mass gaslighting. During the era of full season points, the broadcasters were obsessed with the championship and focused disproportionately on the championship contenders.
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I don't remember it that way. There used to be a lot more room for individual marquee events and other storylines to shine. Regardless, even if granting your point as true, they would have spent the summer and fall focused on the championship contenders. Meaning the 3-5 consistently best drivers in the series. Not who might squeak into the playoffs with a surprise win. Not cut lines for 16th and 12th place. The best handful of drivers and teams. That's where the argument that seems to have gotten through to some of the higher ups about the current format inhibiting the development of stars comes from.
 
Doc Austin said:
The only format I've seen pitched is going back to the old Winston Cup system, and people hated that too.
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I’ve also seen a return to the 10 race chase and a 3-3-4 playoff format being floated around. The chase offered the best mix of championship legitimacy and not clinching the championship too early, so I hope it goes back to that.
 
Naitch said:
Sometimes I feel like I am experiencing a mass gaslighting. During the era of full season points, the broadcasters were obsessed with the championship and focused disproportionately on the championship contenders.
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Objectively false.

For reference, here’s the 1999 Homestead-Miami 400 where Dale Jarrett clinched the championship.

There’s plenty of focus on Jarrett but the coverage is much more balanced than what we get from the same network now.

And there are actually more points battles going on in this race too, because it’s more than just the final four. You have guys trying to get in the top 10 in points down the stretch.

 
Doc Austin said:
The only format I've seen pitched is going back to the old Winston Cup system, and people hated that too.
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Nobody is saying we need to return to the "Winston Cup system." Full season points =/= Winston Cup system. Also, the "hate" that system received has been greatly exaggerated.
 

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