Fail inspection,,lose tires

Whatever it takes I guess. It'll be the same for everyone. Get it right and there's not a problem. Maybe this will be incentive to get it right the first time?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Whatever it takes I guess. It'll be the same for everyone. Get it right and there's not a problem. Maybe this will be incentive to get it right the first time?
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It all evens out, everyone will have to add a 1/2 second to a pit stop just to make sure. In the end, everyone will have tight wheels except those that can't afford more tires and the fastest teams will still come out of the pits first.
 
Team Penske said:
It all evens out, everyone will have to add a 1/2 second to a pit stop just to make sure. In the end, everyone will have tight wheels except those that can't afford more tires and the fastest teams will still come out of the pits first.
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They are talking about taking tire sets away from teams for failed inspections. It's not about the #18's issues.

Easy enough to get confused these days though with all the tire talk. ;)
 
Bobw said:
And they wonder why guys like me who has been a fan since the 70's are walking away. They aren't attracting new fans at the rate that we're leaving
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Flush the rulebook?
Flush the lasers, templates, and scales?
Run what ya brung?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
They are talking about taking tire sets away from teams for failed inspections. It's not about the #18's issues.

Easy enough to get confused these days though with all the tire talk. ;)
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I am confused most of the day so it all depends on when I post.
I can go with that provided they just give a little margin on the tolerances. Of course nascar could just provide rentals to teams and forget most rules. 3 man pit crew.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Flush the rulebook?
Flush the lasers, templates, and scales?
Run what ya brung?
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I'm not against teams having more room to "play" with their cars.. but if majority of the fans dislike the racing now... what would they say when one or two guys does something to their car and wins a dega race by putting the field 3 laps down. We'd never hear the end about how good it use to be back in 2016 or 2017 etc....
 
It is another case where Nascar makes a change, and creates a rippling effect that nobody can figure out.. Sounded great when they were making the changes and had the teams using the same tires they qualified on. They never thought about teams failing inspections so they could start on new tires. So there they are.
 
Why not limit each effort to a finite amount of fuel. Just enough that everyone should make it to the over time line or whatever they’re (their for our special friends) calling the extra laps restart gimmick enhancement this week.

Take away gallons for infractions found during inspection. That should do it.
 
Pat said:
So instead of changing the rules so they can start the race with stickers, they pile on new layers of rules. It is one of the things that bothers me the most, too many rules.
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Your points make total sense as I have been involved with a core group that is starting a support group to help individuals in my community and one of the first things we decided was the less rules the better. A mission statement, confidentiality and 3 core values is what we decided on but it would have been easy to just pile rule upon rule upon rule.
 
as fare as loose wheels I say it's those powerful lug guns they maybe pulling the wheel studs loose, causing the loose wheels.
 
Honestly this is dumb though...is it really that big of a deal with teams failing inspections? When these rules are placed, what's the real motive?...

We now have a points system which I promise you guys I will never attempt to explain the current scoring as I don't even fully understand it... now we are dang near beheading jack men for having a mental blemish on pit road and dropping the car before seeing the rear tire isn't ready... now we need to kill a team that misses something dumb on inspection and take their tires away?...

What is going on? Brian France jr are you ok?...
 
JohnHill said:
Honestly this is dumb though...is it really that big of a deal with teams failing inspections? When these rules are placed, what's the real motive?...

We now have a points system which I promise you guys I will never attempt to explain the current scoring as I don't even fully understand it... now we are dang near beheading jack men for having a mental blemish on pit road and dropping the car before seeing the rear tire isn't ready... now we need to kill a team that misses something dumb on inspection and take their tires away?...

What is going on? Brian France jr are you ok?...
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Whats your solution to teams failing inspection then? I know its been a serious problem this year and I think this will fix it a bit. Im sure they will still have the occasional failure everyonce in a while. As for the poinst system its pretty simple I think.
 
JohnHill said:
Honestly this is dumb though...is it really that big of a deal with teams failing inspections? When these rules are placed, what's the real motive?...

We now have a points system which I promise you guys I will never attempt to explain the current scoring as I don't even fully understand it... now we are dang near beheading jack men for having a mental blemish on pit road and dropping the car before seeing the rear tire isn't ready... now we need to kill a team that misses something dumb on inspection and take their tires away?...

What is going on? Brian France jr are you ok?...
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I see your points as when you go only by the law instead of also looking at the spirit of the law you are doomed to dysfunction. A person would have to be a very dim bulb to think the 18 team was trying to gain a competitive advantage by attempting to install lug nuts with the gun in reverse and sending the car out with no lug nuts installed at all. The only damage done was to the 18 team and no one was in any danger at any time. While I think this is Nascar lunacy at its finest I can live with it if they call each infraction to the letter.
 
Simple Fan said:
Whats your solution to teams failing inspection then? I know its been a serious problem this year and I think this will fix it a bit. Im sure they will still have the occasional failure everyonce in a while. As for the poinst system its pretty simple I think.
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You tell a team that fails inspection to load up and go home as if you can't adhere to Nascar's rules you should be punished severely.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I see your points as when you go only by the law instead of also looking at the spirit of the law you are doomed to dysfunction. A person would have to be a very dim bulb to think the 18 team was trying to gain a competitive advantage by attempting to install lug nuts with the gun in reverse and sending the car out with no lug nuts installed at all. The only damage done was to the 18 team and no one was in any danger at any time. While I think this is Nascar lunacy at its finest I can live with it if they call each infraction to the letter.
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Looking at the spirit of the law is like reading the grey in the rule book...no bueno going down that slippery slope.

What is missed by many is the fact that you screw with their inspection process to get a tire advantage, we will take a set away. It could go either way, give everybody a set that they like or take away a set for those who want to play a game. It's not rocket science
 
Simple Fan said:
Whats your solution to teams failing inspection then? I know its been a serious problem this year and I think this will fix it a bit. Im sure they will still have the occasional failure everyonce in a while. As for the poinst system its pretty simple I think.
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We don't need to take tires away! The only thing that's going to do is force a crew chief to keep their driver on the track at various points in the race, notably restarts... we have enough examples of what usually happens when a driver leads the field to green on older tires...

Or they're forcing their driver into blowing out tires by trying to last on them regardless of whatever the fuel strategy might be that given race...

Keep fining them. If it's that bad of a rules infraction keep the crew chief out for some races. Those punishments make most sense.

Why put the driver/car, etc at risk by taking tires away?
 
May as well call it the jimmy Johnson rule. And while they're at it, put in the rule that you have to run three qualifying laps within 10% of the pole qualifier or you'll also lose a set of tires, because you're going to start seeing several teams dogging it for barely a lap and then shut it down for the day.
 
They will send you home, but this stuff has been going on every since they changed the qualifying...again.
 
StandOnIt said:
Looking at the spirit of the law is like reading the grey in the rule book...no bueno going down that slippery slope.

What is missed by many is the fact that you screw with their inspection process to get a tire advantage, we will take a set away. It could go either way, give everybody a set that they like or take away a set for those who want to play a game. It's not rocket science
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Just send the teams that fail inspection home. If you give a team less tires it could become a safety issue later in the race with cars walling it and taking out other cars. Safety is important to Nascar (excluding the 4 times a year they look the other way) so lets just take an M16 to a swarm of mosquitoes and be done with it. Hell, hardly anyone watches anymore anyway so no one will miss a car or 2 in the race.

joe h said:
May as well call it the jimmy Johnson rule. And while they're at it, put in the rule that you have to run three qualifying laps within 10% of the pole qualifier or you'll also lose a set of tires, because you're going to start seeing several teams dogging it for barely a lap and then shut it down for the day.
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Why should a team be forced to qualify?

Simple Fan said:
I dont disagree but it will never happen especially with the charter system.
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Well you either have 10 toes in or you don't. If Nascar wants to get tough and adhere to its rules they need to have tough consequences. If Nascar wants teams to comply to the rules just send them home a couple of times and that will produce the desired result.
 
If they really want to deter failing inspections, they have to start taking away something more than practice to put an end to it.
 
MRM said:
If they really want to deter failing inspections, they have to start taking away something more than practice to put an end to it.
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They took away pit stall selection for the serial offenders. Kenseth lost one lately..Dover.. Austin Dillion failed 5 times at Richmond and had a penalty from the race before at Bristol to serve..probably helped Slugger out the door. They lost 30 minutes of practice, pit stall selection and had to start at the end of the line for the Darlington race.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Yep. Loss of practice time sure doesn't seem to get the message across.
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Losing practice time doesn't mean **** when you have hours and hours of practice. Might have made a difference if NASCAR went through with cutting practice to only an hour or two.

I don't know why, with all the money these teams have, it's so hard for them to pass inspection the first time. Personally, I'd like to see them implement harsher penalties. Don't pass tech the first time, you don't get to practice. Fail a second time, you lose pit selection. Fail the third time, you don't get to make a qualifying run.

That will fix **** real fast.
 
I don't guess you read above..they do all of that now..must be why they are threatening to take tires away..ya think?
 
I dont see why people are so bothered. Teams should figure out how to pass tech or deal with the consequences.
Just allowing them to keep failing inspections with no repercussions begs for CCs to keep pushing the envelope. And winning Cup races involves managing resources, so hitting them with lost tires is a good incentive to get it right imo.
 
Greg said:
I dont see why people are so bothered. Teams should figure out how to pass tech or deal with the consequences.
Just allowing them to keep failing inspections with no repercussions begs for CCs to keep pushing the envelope. And winning Cup races involves managing resources, so hitting them with lost tires is a good incentive to get it right imo.
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Neither do I.

It's a game within the game.
 
If NASCAR really wants to put a end to car's failing inspection , start taking away points, that will get the teams attention.
 
As Pat said..... ''Too many rules''........ that's what it all comes down to...... you can discuss and discuss why the attendance and viewership is down........


When everything was on an upswing....... the rules were more lax..... teams were able to have a lot more levity as far as what they run...... now....... they are hamstrung and it's just not as much fun ..........


IROC was fun to watch........ but I never thought it would be fun in Winston Cup...... or any of the phone series or now Monster.......
 
kymartin6 said:
As Pat said..... ''Too many rules''........ that's what it all comes down to...... you can discuss and discuss why the attendance and viewership is down........


When everything was on an upswing....... the rules were more lax..... teams were able to have a lot more levity as far as what they run...... now....... they are hamstrung and it's just not as much fun ..........


IROC was fun to watch........ but I never thought it would be fun in Winston Cup...... or any of the phone series or now Monster.......
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You hit it on the head as following Nascar used to be a lot of fun but now it gets bogged down by lug nuts, stage wins, thousandths of inches, playoffs, dirty air and Kyle's weekly stupidity. You and I were just the same as we watched each race flag to flag and now if we have the race on we are normally doing other things as well and if we miss a race it is not a big deal at all. Nascar used to have a good thing going but has managed to turn itself into a punchline.

If Nascar was gaining fans, was rich with sponsors and was playing to standing room only crowds it would be one thing but in terms of being relevant it is circling the drain.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
You hit it on the head as following Nascar used to be a lot of fun but now it gets bogged down by lug nuts, stage wins, thousandths of inches, playoffs, dirty air and Kyle's weekly stupidity. You and I were just the same as we watched each race flag to flag and now if we have the race on we are normally doing other things as well and if we miss a race it is not a big deal at all. Nascar used to have a good thing going but has managed to turn itself into a punchline.

If Nascar was gaining fans, was rich with sponsors and was playing to standing room only crowds it would be one thing but in terms of being relevant it is circling the drain.
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Boy ''O'' Boy Buddy.......... you hit the nail squarely on the head and drove it nut deep on the first hit!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Smart IMO from what I've heard teams are doing everything they can to add downforce and NASCAR has done a great job throwing the rulebook at teams to keep it off
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Smart IMO from what I've heard teams are doing everything they can to add downforce and NASCAR has done a great job throwing the rulebook at teams to keep it off
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I think they took enough off of the cars this time thru. It has become so technical that a 32nd of an inch is worth trying to get thru tech.
 
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