fans! SHAME ON YOU!

[DE_Wrangler_2]

And you won't see me do that either............nor will you see half his fans do it!! A few, maybe.........but not half. That's what I'm talking about. That crap gets under one's skin over time.

 

[majestyx]

DE, my household is the same as yours. Hubby is a Dale Jr. fan and I am first a Jeff Gordon fan, and second a Jimmie Johnson fan. It can get rather interesting when we are watching the same race, but we see it different ways. As I have always thought, most of our opinions are relative to our perception of how we see things as a race fan of a particular driver.

Although, hubby and I agreed in that we really didn't see that it was 100% Tony Stewart's fault when the first big one happened. Pretty much the same thing happened later on in the race when Jimmie Johnson turned Tony Stewart. There was alot of "blocking" going on with ALOT of drivers. There are several drivers that are very low on my like list that I would rather not see win, but in no way do I trash them so vehemently (sp?) as has been done on this board today. As for one our newest members, little>E, well he has been "cornered" for the time being. Several other members have shown their displeasure too, but in some what of a more respectable way. I, nor any of the other moderators, condone any name-calling be it against a driver or another forum member. It will NOT be tolerated. So, I guess what my little rant all boils down to, is............let's all try to get along without the name-calling and innuendos (as DE put it). We all need to watch the things we say, as they may be hurtfull to our/your fellow forum member.

 

[Betsy]

My guess is that when the dude wrote: The drunk Alabama hillbilly beer belly rednecks are what screwed us out of a 2 lap dash to the finish. Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it.
In his haste he used the state name that the race was held in. I think that I would have said the same thing and left the word Alabama out of the remark...
Outside of that one word I completely agree with the remark.
I betcha if the track was not being bombarded with trash that had to be cleaned up, the race could and would have been resumed.
Betsy

 

[Safetysalad]

I just hope that this kind of action doesn't spill over onto other race tracks.

SAFETY FIRST!!!!

 

[DE_Wrangler_2]

All that could very well be true...........but why fuss about it now? The car that was leading when the caution came out won........that's the rule and it was a fair way to end the race. I think it's happened before and everyone got over it..........it's a win that was made final under a yellow flag. I don't know how many races I've seen end that way........not my favorite way to see a race end, but it happens. I doubt anyone will be punished for their misbehavior........I'm not sure NASCAR has the authority to punish a fan anyway. I'm ready to put it behind me and move on with some more racing.

One change I see that might come about if this continues to be a problem is that the fans will be moved even further back from the action...........and that would be a shame. I like it down low and close.

 

[Safetysalad]

DEW... I agree with ya! I like getting close to the action!!

Bristol is great!! I had little rubber marbles in my hair after a couple of days of intense showering!

It would be a shame to have to move the fans back...

 

[dupont4me]

It's those fans who acted like jerks that give the rest of Nascar fans a bad name.....I was ashamed and embarrassed that my relatives whom are not fans saw such ugly behavior today!!

 

[24thunder]

Originally posted by little>E@Apr 25 2004, 06:15 PM
typical JR remark lol. ok what ever not every Jr fan is like me. i like to see that race finish farely not given away.

Come on,recall when NASCAR gave the win to Jr. at Talladega last year,He went below the yellow line and advanced His position but NASCAR did nothing,that's bull crap in the eyes of a lot of fans eyes also,but it's still official
Jeff Gordon should've had back to back wins in the last 2 races,alternator problem at Texas when He was leading,then the concrete hitting His grille at Martinsville after Jeff had already led the most laps there,He was overdue for some good fortune,a win's a win and it's still Jeff's 65th career victory,go cry in Ur Budweiser

 

[24thunder]

Originally posted by cutiepie24@Apr 25 2004, 11:45 PM
hey..when I go to the california speedway every year...I must admit I throw stuff on the track to one particuliar driver...........

I THROW KISSES AT JEFF GORDON..........sure hope he catches them........
and I intend on doing it this next sunday too........

I hope Jeff wins next week for U Cutiepie

 

[Patrick9999]

Originally posted by Eagle1@Apr 25 2004, 08:43 PM
Patrick, did you watch Victory Lane this evening?

I believe their explanation fit pretty darn good with the vidio I had watched.

So who's fault was it when Mikey took out Kerry Earnhart?

Almost the very same incident happened to TS by JJ, what was TS comments on that? Did he put blame on JJ?

I'm not talking about what happened with the crash on the track.

 

[Dinoforthe3]

I think this is the poorest display of sportsmanship (or lack there of) since the people of cleveland through beer bottles on the football field. This is deplorable and should not be acceptable. All this will do is cause them to not allow fans to bring in there own beverages.


Also, we should try not to lump all the fans together. How unsafe was this? How many of those items thrown never made it to the track? How many people got hit in the back of the head with a half-full beer can? Too bad it is not like football where they could threaten to take away season tickets?

 

[majestyx]

Originally posted by Dinoforthe3@Apr 26 2004, 08:54 AM
Too bad it is not like football where they could threaten to take away season tickets?

And, why couldn't they do that at Talladega? They can! And, I feel that they should admonish those fans in that section in some way! That was definitely the poorest display of sportsmanship Dino, it was beyond believable! Those fans weren't just throwing the garbage onto the track, they were actually trying to hit the car(s)!

 

[Patrick9999]

I heard one driver say in a post race interview that it was nice to see the fans showing so much emotion. Go figure!

 

[majestyx]

Do you remember who said that? (I do)

 

[bowtie]

me too.

 

[Patrick9999]

Yeah, I know who said it.

 

[Dinoforthe3]

I heard him say that, and I really wish he wouldn't have. Those type of fans will just run with a statement like that.

 

[majestyx]

Originally posted by Dinoforthe3@Apr 26 2004, 09:26 AM
I heard him say that, and I really wish he wouldn't have. Those type of fans will just run with a statement like that.

My thoughts exactly, Dino. I really wish that he would be asked to clarify his statement. I thought it was also a little distasteful considering the barrage of garbage that was being thrown onto the track.

 

[lecroix]

The drunk Alabama hillbilly beer belly rednecks are what screwed us out of a 2 lap dash to the finish. Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it.

For what it is worth, a caller brought this subject up on a local sports talk-show this morning (Birmingham, AL). A public spokesperson for Talladega Superspeedway just happened to be the guest this morning and followed up the comment with this bit of information.

"Approximately 76-78% of the tickets purchased for the Nextel events held at this facility are purchased by person from OTHER states."

Hmmm .... now isnt' that interesting. Sheds an entire new light on the subject of "drunk Alabama hillbilly beer belly rednecks "... doesn't it.

 

[Splunge]

Hmmm .... now isnt' that interesting. Sheds an entire new light on the subject, doesn't it.

As for those trying to poke fun at Alabamians, yes.

As for the 'bad behavior' of the fans, no.

I don't care where you are from, what your IQ is, or who your favorite driver is....show some respect.

 

[lecroix]

I agree brother ... bad behavior is bad behavior ... regardless of where someone is from. I was only trying to point out that stereotyping folks only shows one's ignorance. There are butt-head's in every state ... the South does NOT have a monopoly on that!

 

[Splunge]

Originally posted by lecroix@Apr 26 2004, 10:08 AM
There are butt-head's in every state ... the South does NOT have a monopoly on that!

:lol: :lol:

I just want to distinguish between poor behavior on the fans part, and good old fashioned state rivalries...

How boring would the world be if we couldn't poke fun at West Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas, California, Minnestota (Jesse Ventura!???? ), New Jersey...heck just about any state has some sort of joke attributed to it....

 

[RobbyG Fan]

Originally posted by majestyx+Apr 26 2004, 10:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (majestyx @ Apr 26 2004, 10:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Dinoforthe3@Apr 26 2004, 09:26 AM
I heard him say that, and I really wish he wouldn't have.&nbsp; Those type of fans will just run with a statement like that.

My thoughts exactly, Dino. I really wish that he would be asked to clarify his statement. I thought it was also a little distasteful considering the barrage of garbage that was being thrown onto the track. [/b][/quote]
Either Junior isnt very smart, or he is just immature:

From nascar.com:

"I guess you could look at it as a form of expression," Earnhardt Jr. said. "We can only speculate why they did that, but I'm sure each little beer can had its own message to it. Luckily it wasn't seat cushions (which fans threw on the track at Daytona in 2002). Those (cushions) are a lot harder for your car to climb over.

"And if you noticed, there wasn't anyone throwing their Budweiser away. All I saw was Coors. What's that tell you? I guess those last few swallows of a Coors really ain't that good."

While Earnhardt Jr. joked about it, other drivers weren't happy.

Junior is basically promoting this behavior... idiot.

 

[TeamHendrick]

I too was surprised by Jr's comments. Even my cousin (Earnhardt fan through and through) thought it was a stupid thing to say. It's even more surprising considering the class he showed by congratulating the #24 pit crew. To follow up with a statement that is tantamount to encouraging fans to this sort of behaviour is what the sport needs is pretty irresponsible.

 

[17_Fan]

Originally posted by little>E@Apr 25 2004, 03:54 PM
cause they know that it was crap to finish a race like that. NASCAR gave gordon the win!!!!!!!!!!!! what kinda crap is that

 

[17_Fan]

Originally posted by little>E@Apr 25 2004, 04:15 PM
typical JR remark lol. ok what ever not every Jr fan is like me. i like to see that race finish farely not given away.

That's true...I know a few who aren't actually whining about the outcome.

 

[17_Fan]

Originally posted by little>E@Apr 25 2004, 04:22 PM
so the fans threw stuff. i don't see to much wrong with that. looks to me that most were wasted lol. no has said anything about the way stewart flew in front of labonte at the end??????

You will the next time you attend a race & they won't allow you to bring coolers or snacks in.

 

[17_Fan]

Originally posted by Betsy@Apr 25 2004, 10:34 PM
My guess is that when the dude wrote: The drunk Alabama hillbilly beer belly rednecks are what screwed us out of a 2 lap dash to the finish. Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it.
In his haste he used the state name that the race was held in. I think that I would have said the same thing and left the word Alabama out of the remark...
Outside of that one word I completely agree with the remark.
I betcha if the track was not being bombarded with trash that had to be cleaned up, the race could and would have been resumed.
Betsy

Good point...the gal at 'dega who flashed us her, well you know...she was drunk, but she was from Mississippi!

 

[lecroix]

Although I don't agree with the spectators tossing stuff onto the race track ... I do believe that NASCAR got the message "loud & clear" about how disappointed those spectators were with the ending.

I believe that most of the spectators were disapointed NOT because NASCAR ruled that the #24 car had the lead at the caution (which I agree with - and I am a #8 fan too!), but because those spectators had paid hard earned cash, drove hundreds of miles and sat thru a 4 1/2 hour race to see it finish under caution.

A caution flag finish isn't racing .... just my .02 worth.

 

[17_Fan]

Yes, but was there the posibility that the race may have been restarted had they not thrown stuff on the track? Jr.'s fans may have cost him a chance at winning & he's making a joke out of it. Also, Jr. must have been part of the clean-up crew to know that those were 'Coors' cans.

 

[lecroix]

Yes, but was there the posibility that the race may have been restarted had they not thrown stuff on the track?

Could be ... I dunno, but Monday morning Crew Chief-ing & Hind sight is 20/20 :lol:

 

[Patrick9999]

First of all... People shouldn't wasted beer - even if it is Bud.

Second, that behaviour surely isn't a result of where people are from but rather the manner in which they appear to be brought up. Or should I say " brought out", as in out of the a$$ of a horse.

 

[TexasRaceLady]

As much as I hate to admit it, NASCAR made the correct call in not going green with 1 or 2 laps left --- it's just too dangerous at Talladega and Daytona.

I also admit I wished the call had gone a different direction, but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

As far as the trash thrown on the track, that was disgusting and uncalled for.

 

[Dinoforthe3]

The use of the red flag at the end of races is a relatively new thing isn't it? They only really started doing it regularly the last 2-3 years.

Did everyone complain and throw a fit before that when a race ended under caution?

How much did fans originally complain when they started using the red flag endings? Didn't they say if changed the outcome of the race?

 

[TexasRaceLady]

Originally posted by Dinoforthe3@Apr 26 2004, 01:07 PM
The use of the red flag at the end of races is a relatively new thing isn't it? They only really started doing it regularly the last 2-3 years.

Did everyone complain and throw a fit before that when a race ended under caution?

How much did fans originally complain when they started using the red flag endings? Didn't they say if changed the outcome of the race?

Valid point, Dino. To my knowledge, using the red to insure a green finish is a relatively new thing.

Ending races under caution in the past happened at time and no one protested.

Other than last year's night Daytona, I don't remember trash ever being thrown out on the track in massive quantities like yesterday.

It could have something to do with the "new" fans that NASCAR seems bent on courting.

 

[slick-nick]

Originally posted by 17_Fan+Apr 26 2004, 12:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (17_Fan @ Apr 26 2004, 12:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--little>E@Apr 25 2004, 04:15 PM
typical JR remark lol. ok what ever not every Jr fan is like me. i like to see that race finish farely not given away.

That's true...I know a few who aren't actually whining about the outcome. [/b][/quote]
That one made me laugh....hahaha, good job 17! Atleast your putting the number on the map this weekend! :lol: Just kiddin' bro!

 

[RobbyG Fan]

Originally posted by TexasRaceLady+Apr 26 2004, 02:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TexasRaceLady @ Apr 26 2004, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Dinoforthe3@Apr 26 2004, 01:07 PM
The use of the red flag at the end of races is a relatively new thing isn't it?&nbsp; They only really started doing it regularly the last 2-3 years.&nbsp;

Did everyone complain and throw a fit before that when a race ended under caution?

How much did fans originally complain when they started using the red flag endings?&nbsp; Didn't they say if changed the outcome of the race?

Valid point, Dino. To my knowledge, using the red to insure a green finish is a relatively new thing.

Ending races under caution in the past happened at time and no one protested.

Other than last year's night Daytona, I don't remember trash ever being thrown out on the track in massive quantities like yesterday.

It could have something to do with the "new" fans that NASCAR seems bent on courting. [/b][/quote]
The Junior fans! :lol:

 

[TexasRaceLady]

Well, Robby G, I don't think you could call me a "new" fan --- even though I am a Junior fan. LOL

The only thing "new" about me is the bruise on my leg. ROTFL

 

[turtle3539]

Originally posted by N2racin88@Apr 25 2004, 09:15 PM
Mikey got turned into Kerry.&nbsp; Not much he could do about that.&nbsp; Tony was trying to make a short cut back to the pits.&nbsp; Jr. was in second at the time of the caution lights.&nbsp; Anyone who wants to whine about how NASCAR has ruined racing can....nevermind I do not want to get ripped for using the word shove it the wrong way.&nbsp; The drivers are what made this mess last year making racing back to the caution an unsafe mess.&nbsp; The drunk Alabama hillbilly beer belly rednecks are what screwed us out of a 2 lap dash to the finish.&nbsp; Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it.

Us drunk Alabama hillbillys weren't the ones keeping the race from finishing under green, blame Nascar for that. The beer flingers didn't chunk the beer onto the track until the track announcers said that they would be finishing under caution. Until that time everyone, including the drivers and crews, assumed that the race would start back. Being under caution that long was ridiculous, especially when Brian didn't hit anything and drove away. I was listening to Schrader's frequency when the fans were trashing the track, and what he said about them made me feel embarassed to be in the stands. I don't want him thinking that one of his fans could have been a part of that.

Oh, and before you go blaming it all on Alabamians, I bet more than half the people there weren't even from here.

 

[slick-nick]

Originally posted by turtle3539+Apr 26 2004, 03:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (turtle3539 @ Apr 26 2004, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--N2racin88@Apr 25 2004, 09:15 PM
Mikey got turned into Kerry.  Not much he could do about that.  Tony was trying to make a short cut back to the pits. &nbsp; Jr. was in second at the time of the caution lights.  Anyone who wants to whine about how NASCAR has ruined racing can....nevermind I do not want to get ripped for using the word shove it the wrong way.  The drivers are what made this mess last year making racing back to the caution an unsafe mess.  The drunk Alabama hillbilly beer belly rednecks are what screwed us out of a 2 lap dash to the finish.  Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it.

Us drunk Alabama hillbillys weren't the ones keeping the race from finishing under green, blame Nascar for that. The beer flingers didn't chunk the beer onto the track until the track announcers said that they would be finishing under caution. Until that time everyone, including the drivers and crews, assumed that the race would start back. Being under caution that long was ridiculous, especially when Brian didn't hit anything and drove away. I was listening to Schrader's frequency when the fans were trashing the track, and what he said about them made me feel embarassed to be in the stands. I don't want him thinking that one of his fans could have been a part of that.

Oh, and before you go blaming it all on Alabamians, I bet more than half the people there weren't even from here. [/b][/quote]
Hey! How'd the trip go???



By the way, what did Kenny say?