Grand jury decision on Tony.

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BobbyFord said:
There will always be those that feel that Stewart acted with intention. That was evident from the social media comments in the days immediately following the incident.
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Fueled by that video. Even I was suspicious until I realized the camera can't possibly pick up crisp and clear engine sounds from 400 ft away. Then I remembered those guys still race back to yellow, and the engine sound was from right in front of the stands.
 
FenderBumper said:
If I were Tony, I would give the Wards time to clear their heads, then offer to fund a Kevin Ward scholarship fund so Kevin is remembered properly.
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Wingnutcnc said:
Like I said in the other thread that disappeared. I don't think smoking pot should be illegal. Alcohol causes way more problems and is easy to get.
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I agree, but you shouldn't smoke marijuana before getting into any type of racecar, just like you should drink alcohol before climbing into a racecar.
 
Wingnutcnc said:
Like I said in the other thread that disappeared. I don't think smoking pot should be illegal. Alcohol causes way more problems and is easy to get.
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I have to wonder, without the impairment, if Kevin would have made the right decision and moved DOWN the track to avoid a car sliding UP the track. He waited, then moved right into it's path.
 
The way it sounds is the toxicology report wasn't even entered as part of the evidence. The DA seemed to have voluntary supplied that information after the reporter asked him about it (the very first question). It was almost like he expected to be asked about that.
 
FenderBumper said:
Fueled by that video. Even I was suspicious until I realized the camera can't possibly pick up crisp and clear engine sounds from 400 ft away. Then I remembered those guys still race back to yellow, and the engine sound was from right in front of the stands.
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Was there any of the transcript posted today of what the other driver (Hebring) said during his testimony?
 
FenderBumper said:
I have to wonder, without the impairment, if Kevin would have made the right decision and moved DOWN the track to avoid a car sliding UP the track. He waited, then moved right into it's path.
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This is the sort of thing that a civil suit would put the family through. IF it went to court. IF the Ward family brings a civil action, my bet is it does not see the light of a courtroom as some other posters have mentioned. Gag orders all around.
 
BobbyFord said:
I agree, but you shouldn't smoke marijuana before getting into any type of racecar, just like you should drink alcohol before climbing into a racecar.
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One should never operate any type of vehicle impaired, I just happen to know that it is done to calm nerves. If you ask how, I can tell you I have witnessed it and have partaken in such remedies to kill butterflies. Again, I'm not condoning such things other than I know it happens and more often than we will ever know.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Was Tony Stewart given the opportunity to testify?

He was given that opportunity.

What did he say?

I didn't say he testified. I said he was given the opportunity. I really can't tell you who specifically testified and did not. I can't tell you what they said to the grand jury.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-transcript-tony-stewart-grand-jury/16167613/
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I like this part:
"...My opinion is any time a grand jury is given the opportunity to have a full and unfettered exploration of the circumstances of the case that they are active, engaged and involved and conscientious in their deliberations, the system has worked, and whatever their judgment is, is one that should be respected..."

I hope the Ward family and everyone affected can find some closure.
 
This will make it much easier for Tony to deal with unless of course he to was in an altered state and just didn't get caught. I sure hope that's not the case but one never knows.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
@TheOrangeCone

The sad thing is when bad things happen, the next question asked is "should we sue?"



Ain't that the truth?
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Get the rocks out stone me..IMO....more like CAN and WHEN can we sue. I am not that surprised, as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. In this case, both of the parents have been and continue to be completely blind to the facts. Now they have decided to prolong the agony for all involved. As far as I am concerned, they have turned this thing into a money grab and it isn't about their son anymore. I think the whole grand jury thing came about because of their pressure to make it so. a guilty verdict and they would have hit the jackpot. They didn't get the result they wanted and I hope they don't get a dime if they sue. If they would have acted right, I bet Tony would have helped them out some way.
 
StandOnIt said:
Get the rocks out stone me..IMO....more like CAN and WHEN can we sue. I am not that surprised, as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. In this case, both of the parents have been and continue to be completely blind to the facts. Now they have decided to prolong the agony for all involved. As far as I am concerned, they have turned this thing into a money grab and it isn't about their son anymore. I think the whole grand jury thing came about because of their pressure to make it so. a guilty verdict and they would have hit the jackpot. They didn't get the result they wanted and I hope they don't get a dime if they sue. If they would have acted right, I bet Tony would have helped them out some way.
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It's an emotional time for them, I wouldn't expect much else. Acknowledging that one of your own children contributed to his or her own death has to be awfully difficult.
 
The kid was stoned and behind the wheel of a high performance racecar. Made a terrible lack of judgment both before getting into the car and while behind the wheel. The parents now have to live with the fact that he wouldn't have passed a drug test to get a job. Hope this will help heal Tony's wounds and all those involved.
 
The kid was stoned and if they sue and win I'd imagine many citizens of NY State will want their impaired driving convictions overturned with this case being cited.
 
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FLRacingFan said:
It's an emotional time for them, I wouldn't expect much else. Acknowledging that one of your own children contributed to his or her own death has to be awfully difficult.
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Its cliche but "All the money in the world will not bring jr back".

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FLRacingFan said:
It's an emotional time for them, I wouldn't expect much else. Acknowledging that one of your own children contributed to his or her own death has to be awfully difficult.
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Grief counseling can be an option. I hope the family is getting some help dealing with this tragic situation.
 
I am glad that Tony has been exonerated. I hate illegal narcotics, I don't even drink alcohol and I made those decisions as a high school kid years ago.

That being said, I don't want to trash Ward or hammer him for his obvious mistake. In the end a young man lost his life over some bad decisions. But that doesn't negate the tragedy, and I wouldn't want to dismiss the value of his life and the loss. Lots of 20 year old kids make some foolish choices, I know were their gravestones are, and some like myself were just lucky.

I don't expect the parents to be very rational and this has to be a nightmare. I feel foolish to suggest things will get any easier for them. Hopefully for their own peace of mind they will be able to redirect the emotions in a more positive way in the future.
Still the same when a hearse rides by, I think we should take off our hats and respectfully pause for a moment. And if you can't think of something good to say about the deceased and family, just keep that to yourself. None of us are perfect.

Tony has taken the high road and shown nothing but respect imo, I hope that remains the case. I am sure he has lot of painful emotions about it all too, it can't be easy.
 
Wingnutcnc said:
The kid was stoned and if they sue and win I'd imagine many citizens of NY State will want their impaired driving convictions overturned with this case being cited.
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I want my "driving without a license" conviction to be overturned because of all of those 10 year olds out there operating go-karts.
 
If for a minute we could pretend that something good came out of this, I hope that it is awareness at racetracks everywhere about the dangers of getting out of a racecar and putting oneself at risk.
Heat of the moment could get you killed. Let's hope the next guy remembers what happened to Kevin Ward before confronting someone on a racing surface.
 
Wow, no wonder he was acting like a warrior in front of a 900HP Sprint Car.

Not to be insensitive or anything but Tony has to feel some of that guilt he was carrying over these past few months, lifted. For the most part.
 
DSquad48 said:
I still want to know what kind of pot this kid would have had to be on to make him fly off the handle. When I smoke, all I want to do is sit there and eat cheese poofs.
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:partytime
 
DSquad48 said:
I still want to know what kind of pot this kid would have had to be on to make him fly off the handle. When I smoke, all I want to do is sit there and eat cheese poofs.
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Not everyone reacts the same to substances introduced into the bloodstream, be they pharmaceutical or otherwise.
 
Just because there was THC in his system doesn't mean he was high folks. Just throwing that out there.

He could have smoked a day or two prior and still has enough in his blood stream to be "impaired"
 
BobbyFord said:
Not everyone reacts the same to substances introduced into the bloodstream, be they pharmaceutical or otherwise.
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I suppose. I've never had the experience of getting high and then being spun out in a race car, so I can't really comment on that.
 
DUN24 said:
Just because there was THC in his system doesn't mean he was high folks. Just throwing that out there.

He could have smoked a day or two prior and still has enough in his blood stream to be "impaired"
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We went through that in the other thread. Labs have the ability to determine when you last smoked, based on your fat saturation level.
 
DUN24 said:
Just because there was THC in his system doesn't mean he was high folks. Just throwing that out there.

He could have smoked a day or two prior and still has enough in his blood stream to be "impaired"
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Impaired usually means high, no? Or at least that the "negative" effects of the drug are still lingering. Is that not like saying, he has a BAC of .07, but since he drank last night he isn't really drunk.
 
DSquad48 said:
I suppose. I've never had the experience of getting high and then being spun out in a race car, so I can't really comment on that.
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Also, there's a certain level of adrenaline associated with competing in motorsports that cannot be described...
Sitting on your couch with a sack of "cheese poofs" is likely not going to produce much adrenaline ;)
 
DUN24 said:
Just because there was THC in his system doesn't mean he was high folks. Just throwing that out there.

He could have smoked a day or two prior and still has enough in his blood stream to be "impaired"
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All they had to do is inspect one hair on his head and it will give them the exact nature of amount and usage. Go for the blood and urine test and never allow them to examine your hair as it keeps a very strict log in precise time.
 
DSquad48 said:
Impaired usually means high, no? Or at least that the "negative" effects of the drug are still lingering. Is that not like saying, he has a BAC of .07, but since he drank last night he isn't really drunk.
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That's how I interpreted that statement.
 
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