Harvick and the pit guns

Development and maintenance costs of owned pit guns or leasing costs of someone else’s fall into the category of operating expense, not investment. There is no ROI.

Failures cost his various teams prize money if they affect finishing position. Clearly, he knows that so far his own stufff was more reliable.
 
^ This audio clip seems to confirm what @Spotter22 said....
Spotter22 said:
The failure is the changer has not learned to slow down yet.
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Also tending to confirm this is the big increase in lug nuts hanging up when used wheels/tires are being removed. We have seen many slow pit stops due to a lug nut not coming all the way off the stud on the first try. When using the spec guns... which operate at lower RPM's than guns used previously... the changer has to stay on each lug nut a fraction of a second longer to complete the task. I believe this explains why so many wheels are not sufficiently tight.
 
Standard guns is a farce, if they wanted them equal than JGR should have been made to supply every team with guns.
 
Only $6.11 @ WalMart and it would make pit stops not only equal but a helluva lot more entertaining. Not to mention cutting cost but I guess I just did.

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Pit gun solution.

Any team is allowed to bring their own pit guns. But anyone else is allowed to buy ones that were used by any team in a race weekend for a low NASCAR mandated price.

Think of it as claiming rules for pit equipment.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Probably gonna need a 6" extension too. Pretty soon we're going to be talking real money here defeating the purpose of the original move. Maybe we should just take a step back to when this was a non issue?

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Wide Mouth Socket! Its not cheap!

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Spotter22 said:
Lobbied for what? Be specific dude
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It sounds like what you're telling me is that all the racing teams agreed that they would all want to switch to the same pit gun minus maybe Gibbs and Hendrick, and that went to NASCAR's desk. NASCAR adds the caveat of taking a crew member away from over the wall. That second thing was not something they demanded. It seems like a kangaroo court of different opinions all globbing their way into the rulebook.
 
sky said:
It sounds like what you're telling me is that all the racing teams agreed that they would all want to switch to the same pit gun minus maybe Gibbs and Hendrick, and that went to NASCAR's desk. NASCAR adds the caveat of taking a crew member away from over the wall. That second thing was not something they demanded. It seems like a kangaroo court of different opinions all globbing their way into the rulebook.
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Sorry but yes they did. Along with asking NASCAR to work on the sky rocketing costs on the pit guns they also asked to cut back on personnel needed at the track. Personnel costs are a huge expense.
 
aunty dive said:
Development and maintenance costs of owned pit guns or leasing costs of someone else’s fall into the category of operating expense, not investment. There is no ROI.

Failures cost his various teams prize money if they affect finishing position. Clearly, he knows that so far his own stufff was more reliable.
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ROI in the sense that they sunk costs into something that gave them an advantage that they no longer can realize.
 
rd45usa said:
Sounds like an "oh sh!t" moment, he said what to that reporter! Like SHR trying to get out in front of criticizing Nascar about the guns. Damage control.
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you bet, damage control all the way, who knows, Nascar and the manufacturer might have tested them and found nothing wrong.
 
Ragan defends pit guns, says they've helped teams like FRM

"Last year there was no chance we could average in the top 10 or 12 in pit stops over a weekend because our equipment was inferior to compared to the Joe Gibbs Racing teams, maybe the Penske teams and Hendrick Motorsports teams," Ragan told SiriusXM NASCAR Radio. "Because they had special components, parts and pieces in their air guns and maybe even jacks that allowed them to do it faster and more efficiently. So I think the rule NASCAR came out with the common gun -- I know there's been some instances where they've had some malfunctions and issues here and there. We've not had one. Our crew has had as many pit stops as anyone this season and we've not had one issue all season-long that I'm aware of."

"It's easy to blame NASCAR," he said. "If it were a Joe Gibbs Racing pit gun, they're probably not going to blame Coach (Joe) Gibbs. You're not going to say anything. So I think we've heard a little bit more talk about it because it's someone else's part and it's easy to throw that blame. But at the end of the day, it has allowed teams like Front Row Motorsports and I think a few other teams to have some really competitive pit stops."

https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/david-ragan-pit-guns-nascar-1025395/?s=1
 
Spotter22 said:
The failure is the changer has not learned to slow down yet.
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Chad Knaus agreed with this on Race Hub yesterday. He said the loose wheels are being caused by the tire changers using the same motion with the (slower) spec guns that they previously used with the (higher RPM) custom-made guns.

It is an operator error to stab each lug with insufficient dwell time to complete the task. It is like when Nascar mandated spec (slower) fuel nozzles. The gasman has to hold each can in place longer to get all the fuel into the car. If he does it with the same cadence as before, the refueling will not be complete.

Big time racing... it is a contest of skill. It ain't supposed to be easy.
 
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