Has Kevin Harvick (at age 43) Lost A Step?

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Actually I think Rodney is being pretty open about the wheel wells having a big impact on their performance. What more do you expect him to say? "Yeah well see we took this and rolled it over more and took this and flared it out more"

It's a lot better than Nascar coming out and saying such and such cars are going to the rear of the field for failing pre race tech and nothing more. Well what did they fail for?
 

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Actually I think Rodney is being pretty open about the wheel wells having a big impact on their performance. What more do you expect him to say? "Yeah well see we took this and rolled it over more and took this and flared it out more"

It's a lot better than Nascar coming out and saying such and such cars are going to the rear of the field for failing pre race tech and nothing more. Well what did they fail for?
I don't think he needs to say anything actually. Just fix the car. He is using the rule as a scapegoat. The same set of rules he exploits to gain an advantage. Something tells me that he is smarter than all of this. It feels un-Rodney like to share with the world where they are working.

....and yeah, NASCAR should tell the world what is going on....I'd be particularly interested in what the 9 has been up to two weeks in a row.
 

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I don't think he needs to say anything actually. Just fix the car. He is using the rule as a scapegoat. The same set of rules he exploits to gain an advantage. Something tells me that he is smarter than all of this. It feels un-Rodney like to share with the world where they are working.

....and yeah, NASCAR should tell the world what is going on....I'd be particularly interested in what the 9 has been up to two weeks in a row.
I can't remember which week it was but they said they saw something with the side skirt that they didn't like

They're all exploiting the rules to gain an advantage. They just found the one that SHR was using. This is no different then when they cracked down on the rear end movement and Penske fell off the map
 

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I can't remember which week it was but they said they saw something with the side skirt that they didn't like

They're all exploiting the rules to gain an advantage. They just found the one that SHR was using. This is no different then when they cracked down on the rear end movement and Penske fell off the map

Yeah....and that doesn't say what probably was really going on which was that the 9 screwed with the car between inspection and the grid...We eject car chiefs for failing inspection, but the only consequence here is back of the grid? Larry Mac says that they need to fix the issue prior to going to the back....You have the Hawkeye...pass....car messed with....and the solution is to just bend it back? Shouldn't it go back through the Hawkeye? ....and be assessed another failure? It's stupid.

I don't remember Penske saying anything after the crack down nor do I remember JGR saying anything with the rear suspensions that could move and then be locked back in place. That's what is weird about this. Again, I think Rodney is inviting people down a rabbit hole.
 

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I agree that, if a car fails to the point it's sent to the back and/or crew member expelled, NASCAR owes it to us to say why. Bring back the "cheater parts" displays where they'd confiscate parts off a car and put it out for all teams to see.

That said, it is quite the coincidence that SHR has fallen off the map after the rules change affecting the wheel wells and inspection. I'd also like to know what the heck is going on with the 9 team. One week was the team, not NASCAR, finding a side skirt issue they didn't like when unloading the car. The other? Did they bust the 9 trying to get through with whatever they've put on the 5?

Edit: yes, I teed up a "Larson is what they put in the 5 hur hur!" post for someone. I get it. I just can't understand why the 9 has fallen off so compared to teammates and the streak they seemed to find second half of last year.
 

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I agree that, if a car fails to the point it's sent to the back and/or crew member expelled, NASCAR owes it to us to say why. Bring back the "cheater parts" displays where they'd confiscate parts off a car and put it out for all teams to see.

That said, it is quite the coincidence that SHR has fallen off the map after the rules change affecting the wheel wells and inspection. I'd also like to know what the heck is going on with the 9 team. One week was the team, not NASCAR, finding a side skirt issue they didn't like when unloading the car. The other? Did they bust the 9 trying to get through with whatever they've put on the 5?

Edit: yes, I teed up a "Larson is what they put in the 5 hur hur!" post for someone. I get it. I just can't understand why the 9 has fallen off so compared to teammates and the streak they seemed to find second half of last year.
I don't know....teams get an advantage by finding an area to work in....SHR must have had some gorgeous wheel wheels.....when that area is gone, the advantage is gone, and I think what Rodney is getting at is that now your balance is shot. Not only have you lost your advantage, but your car is screwed until you recalibrate with the loss. With no practice, qualifying, reduced wind tunnel time, development freeze, etc....it's hard to get performance back. I think a great story this year will be to see if the 4 can regain performance or will he go the way of KFB '20.

As for the 9, 5, whatever.....the new Chev was as crappy as the old, so they have to get creative to make it fast. Epic Chevy failure. You had a new car. You should have dominated. You didn't. Please spare me the Pool Hall Boy....he got his Championship, but that wasn't about Chevy.
 

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I don't know....teams get an advantage by finding an area to work in....SHR must have had some gorgeous wheel wheels.....when that area is gone, the advantage is gone, and I think what Rodney is getting at is that now your balance is shot. Not only have you lost your advantage, but your car is screwed until you recalibrate with the loss. With no practice, qualifying, reduced wind tunnel time, development freeze, etc....it's hard to get performance back. I think a great story this year will be to see if the 4 can regain performance or will he go the way of KFB '20.

As for the 9, 5, whatever.....the new Chev was as crappy as the old, so they have to get creative to make it fast. Epic Chevy failure. You had a new car. You should have dominated. You didn't. Please spare me the Pool Hall Boy....he got his Championship, but that wasn't about Chevy.
Whew. Good thing I'm an Elliott fan and don't give two damns about Chevy. ;)
 

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Anyone remember the last time Kev was outside the top 5 in the points this deep in the season? Sure, the first couple of races always produce some scrambled standings, but here we are at the Easter break and he's 8th.
 

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Anyone remember the last time Kev was outside the top 5 in the points this deep in the season? Sure, the first couple of races always produce some scrambled standings, but here we are at the Easter break and he's 8th.
2017, in their first year with Ford they were 10th at this point.

2014, first year for the team they were 26th in points but had a win already.
 

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2017, in their first year with Ford they were 10th at this point.

2014, first year for the team they were 26th in points but had a win already.
Thanks. I'm in a league where the drivers change tiers based on current points. Other than early in the season, I couldn't remember the last time Kevin wasn't in the top tier (or Kyle, for that matter).
 
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