History Channel to air Madhouse Modifieds

SpeedPagan said:
Buckaroo, I have a question, on Madhouse they said that the race (the main event) last for 200 laps, is that true? I'd have to figure that their gas and tires won't last for 200 laps.
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200 laps on this track is not a problem for gas and the tires are hard enough to last as well.
The length of the races through the season varies. The "normal" length is 25 laps with two races run, the second race having a drawing to see how many cars are inverted. However, through the season there are special nights of racing that feature races in lengths of 50, 100, 150 and 199 laps. The season opener has always been 200 laps. A new rule instituted last year that involves all races of 100 laps or more makes for more interesting racing. You've all heard of the double file restart, but BGS's version is a bit different. On the "one lap to go" lap, a cone is placed in the middle of the start/finish line and as the cars come to the line, they can choose to go to the outside or stay on the inside. The inside line is the preferred because passing on the outside is very difficult and the guy on the inside can take out the passing car very easy, so unless the driver is sure he can pass, or is back in the pack a bit, going to the outside is not wise. But as the races go along, it makes it interesting when slower cars do go to the outside to try and make up some positions. Also, it allows for a car that is good but had a bad qualifying to be able to make up ground easily. This rule has been one of the best as far as fans are concerned, but the owners/drivers hate the rule because of the carnage it can create.
 
Here are a few pics of the contenders and that stadium...

Top three are of the stadium and fans. Notice how full the stands are. This normal for almost all races.
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Here's Tim Brown, current track champ.
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Here's a pic of George Brunnhoelzl III and Jason Myers on the outside. Those mod fans from up north will recognize the Brunnhoelzl name.
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This is Burt Myers, my fav. Sorry for the large pic. :D
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Here's Burt's arch enemy, Junior Miller.
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And this is the best picture I could get of Chris Flemming...Show Stopper...NOT.
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Lastly, this is a picture of the annual NASCAR Whelen Southern Modified tour race with the 15 inch tires. That's young Brunnhoelzl on the pole with Burt on the outside. Behind Burt in the #14 is Bobby Hutchens, Tony Stewart's chief of racing operations.
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So far, I have to admit, I liked the first episode and the racing there looks like it would be a blast to be a part of and to watch in person. I can already tell that the Myers kid, Miller and Flemming are three idiots that all deserve a smack in the mouth. Brown and Myers' brother seem like the only ones that were on camera that had any sense. I found myself wanting to reach through the TV and choke Miller and Myers because they talked so much sht. Just on and on and on. Shut up already. Now if they would just shut up and start beating the hell out of each other when they showed up at the track, that would have been entertaining.
 
Like I said, most of that is for the TV, but fighting does occur and mostly in the pits. You'll probably see plenty of that on upcoming episodes. Believe me though, Tim Brown has a mouth and that is where he has made his many anti-fans. When he wins a race and has the microphone, he acts as though he is God and will cuss out the crowd now and then. Jason can talk smack as well, but he is much calmer than Burt. Junior just wants to rile things up and he does just that. Without Junior on the track Burt seldom has problems, but Junior always seems to cause problems no matter with whom. Sort of reminds me of Earnhardt vs. Elliott, or Earnhardt vs. Bodine or Earnhardt vs. Labonte, and it goes on.
 
So far, I like Tim, mainly because he's in it to win. From what I've seen on the show, He lets Junior and Burt go at it and he just uses that to his advantage to get to the front of the pack.
 
SpeedPagan said:
So far, I like Tim, mainly because he's in it to win. From what I've seen on the show, He lets Junior and Burt go at it and he just uses that to his advantage to get to the front of the pack.
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Tim is nothing but a fast points racer period. One of the biggest reasons he wins so often is because he is one of the very best qualifiers at the stadium and therefore gets to start at or near the front. When they have the twin races and invert, he usually ends up about where he started the second race. It's just a matter of style. Junior and Burt race to win whereas Tim races to win the championship.
 
buckaroo said:
Tim is nothing but a fast points racer period. One of the biggest reasons he wins so often is because he is one of the very best qualifiers at the stadium and therefore gets to start at or near the front. When they have the twin races and invert, he usually ends up about where he started the second race. It's just a matter of style. Junior and Burt race to win whereas Tim races to win the championship.
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Hey, winning Championship is probabaly what his sponsers like to see. Winning a race is nice, but winning a Championship is even better.
 
buckaroo said:
Tim is nothing but a fast points racer period. One of the biggest reasons he wins so often is because he is one of the very best qualifiers at the stadium and therefore gets to start at or near the front. When they have the twin races and invert, he usually ends up about where he started the second race. It's just a matter of style. Junior and Burt race to win whereas Tim races to win the championship.
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You can't blame Tim, or anyone else there, for points racing if those other two idiots are in front of him. Just wait for them to wreck each other out and get out of the way.

Kind of like Earnhardt Sr and Waltrip at Richmond (I think it was Richmond) where they were beating and banging each other until they both wrecked out.
 
buckaroo said:
Tim has the very same sponsor as Junior Miller. ;)
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So we have one driver that is smart about racing, know when to not get into someone else's mess, and has a good team, while the other driver is just there because he's popular.

Why does that sound so familiar?
 
SpeedPagan said:
So we have one driver that is smart about racing, know when to not get into someone else's mess, and has a good team, while the other driver is just there because he's popular.

Why does that sound so familiar?
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Not so fast my man. Yeah, Junior is popular just like the elder Earnhardt, but that's not all. He has more wins at the stadium than any other modified driver and he claims that if you add all the other series wins he's had there, he has more wins than anyone. Junior is reaching the end of his carreer and is hanging on for as long as he can. Burt and Tim are the young guns at the stadium and when Junior is gone, it will be interesting to see those two go to work on each other. They have been great friends for a good long time. But an up and coming driver is a team mate of Junior and is learning much from the old man, and I don't mean wrecking someone. However, this kid will do what is necessary to win. Watch for the #53 driven by Jonathan Brown, no relation to Tim. BTW,. Jonathan is getting the same kind of popularity as Junior, Tim or Burt. You either love him or hate him. So far I've become a fan, but we'll see.
 
I just saw the rebroadcast of the first episode on Friday night. I normally don't watch much TV (except for racint), but so far I like this show. I just wish they showed more race footage and focused less on the away from the track drama.

Looking forward to the new episode tonight.
 
Foe, I think the emphasis is on the drama off the track than on so as to keep the audience interested. Many time, probably more than most, the modified racing is a real bore. It's a quarter mile follow the leader until there is a caution. Many times the other series action on the track is much more exciting. And there are rivalries in the other series just as crazy.
 
Well I thought that was a better episode, it concetrated more on the racing aspect rather than the drama.
 
Not bad. Brings back lots of memories. By the way, there is no Bad Brad on the radio. Too bad because I would love to listen to him, but I think he's part of the production.
 
buckaroo said:
Not bad. Brings back lots of memories. By the way, there is no Bad Brad on the radio. Too bad because I would love to listen to him, but I think he's part of the production.
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Most of the shows on History or Discovery has a narrator, so I think that's what Bad Brad is.
 
buckaroo said:
Foe, I think the emphasis is on the drama off the track than on so as to keep the audience interested. Many time, probably more than most, the modified racing is a real bore. It's a quarter mile follow the leader until there is a caution. Many times the other series action on the track is much more exciting. And there are rivalries in the other series just as crazy.
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Well, that's true but when they spend the first 50 minutes of the show building up the hype for the race, and only have a couple minutes of actual footage that's a little disappointing.

Also, what's up with the shaky and out of focus racing footage? The in-car cameras are especially bad. At first I thought that's how it really was, but when I noticed the blurring effect I knew that the footage had some effects editing done to it.

I still like the show, but I think they're trying too hard to make it appeal to non-racing people who probably aren't watching anyway.
 
foehammer111 said:
Also, what's up with the shaky and out of focus racing footage? The in-car cameras are especially bad. At first I thought that's how it really was, but when I noticed the blurring effect I knew that the footage had some effects editing done to it.
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I'm not sure about that. I do know that all of those cars had two to three cameras on them during the racing. The bumping is big time and it is showing what it is really like.

Speaking of bumping, this is the norm at the stadium. The guy behind is trying to get the guy in front very loose so he can pass him. Sometimes it works and other times it doesn't. Burt has said of Tim on many occasions that he can drive that car sideways better than anyone. I can tell you though that had it been the #77 car, the one that won, behind Tim, Tim would have probably been spun out. Burt and Tim are pretty good friends, though they made it look like they aren't. You can tell from the footage at Tim's garage how "pretty boy" he is about his car. Those front bumpers get bent all the time. Tim just doesn't do the bumping very often because he doesn't want to tick anyone off. However, when it comes down to the final race and he has to be in front of a certain driver, he will pile drive him into the wall. Several years ago he did just that and that make a lot of fans go away from him. And one more thing...if it had been Junior behind Tim doing the bumping, Tim would have moved over and let him go by. He knows what Junior will do to win.
 
The second episode showed more of what a butthole Brown is. I hope it gets better because I'm starting to dislike all of them so far except Burts brother (Jason?).
 
chromehorn said:
The second episode showed more of what a butthole Brown is. I hope it gets better because I'm starting to dislike all of them so far except Burts brother (Jason?).
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Remember, you are only seeing what the producers want you to see. Brown is a butthole, but has lots of fans (the wife is one). They all have their weaknesses, even Jason. But in all honesty, if Brown, the Myers and Miller aren't out there, the racing is pretty boring, but there are a couple of up and comers that are making headway. Chris' son Luke is one of them, but I don't know if he will be driving a mod next year. He drove a top notch limited late model last year and is a pretty aggressive driver. Already has made plenty of enemies and you don't do that if you aren't winning. BTW, Chris has few enemies, but there are a lot of drivers who would just as soon not have him out on the track.
 
Buck, I'm lousy at names but the guy with the blue 83,,gets all worked up over decals??

If Jr is 58 they must have been a hard 58 because I thought he was in his mid 60's.

Guess I've been away too long but $1500 for 4 coil over shocks? I learned from the guy I started with back in the 70's, don't take house money to go racing. Butch finally learned that after his third divorce and second house give-away.

BG is 1/4 mile flat asphalt? Seekonk is 1/4 mile banked concrete, with lots of patches.

IIRC the BG pole winner went 13.86, thats a little less then 65 mph, respectable seeing it's flat. When the mods run here they're into the 11's, at Thompson 19's but thats another banked concrete track, 5/8 of a mile and double wicked wicked fast.

What's the purse at BG?
 
SST55 said:
Buck, I'm lousy at names but the guy with the blue 83,,gets all worked up over decals??

If Jr is 58 they must have been a hard 58 because I thought he was in his mid 60's.

Guess I've been away too long but $1500 for 4 coil over shocks? I learned from the guy I started with back in the 70's, don't take house money to go racing. Butch finally learned that after his third divorce and second house give-away.

BG is 1/4 mile flat asphalt? Seekonk is 1/4 mile banked concrete, with lots of patches.

IIRC the BG pole winner went 13.86, thats a little less then 65 mph, respectable seeing it's flat. When the mods run here they're into the 11's, at Thompson 19's but thats another banked concrete track, 5/8 of a mile and double wicked wicked fast.

What's the purse at BG?
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Okay, the dude in the 83, Tim Brown is just that way. Pretty anal if you ask me, but my wife loves the guy. And he always has the prettiest, shiniest car out there...but it's fast too. He has the track record of just under 13 seconds. The pole time is usually in the lower 13's.

Can't tell you about the cost of shocks or other things, but my friend is always telling me how expensive it is to race a car. BTW, he tells me that when his father dies, he will probably sell everything and just hang out and work with other teams. Can't field a team on postal wages.

Junior Miller has been around a long time but he is just 58. Here's his stats for Winston Cup... http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/jmiller01/cup/index.html We do have a couple of older gents who drive in the mod series and are quite competitive. Alfred Hill and Robert Jeffreys are both well over 65. Burt and Jason's father, Gary, is a bit younger than me, bout the same age as Junior and he retired from racing a couple of years ago. Now Gary and Junior really had a rivalry. You will no doubt see him in the series. Gary is first cousin to Danny Chocolate Myers.
 
SST55 said:
I learned from the guy I started with back in the 70's, don't take house money to go racing. Butch finally learned that after his third divorce and second house give-away.What's the purse at BG?
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I laughed when I read this comment about Butch.
In the mid-fifties, I was making $1.25 per hour in a factory and had a stock car. One Saturday night I wrecked the racecar and spent my regular car payment to do repairs. Two weeks later the bank called and asked when they might expect the payment and it was explained why the payment hadn't been made was due to repairing the racecar. The local bank loan officer said, "well, if it the race car is that important then you might want to try driving it to work because we''ll be picking up your car if you don't make your payment."
One of life's many lessons taken to heart and the following week, made the car loan payment and went to the races. Won my race and got twenty-five bucks and thought, I went through all of that monkey business for twenty-five dollars? Then thought, there has to be a way to enjoy this sport without having it cost me money. As luck would have it, the next week as the cars were sitting on the track waiting for the rest of the field to come out for our heat race, the starter got in a dispute with the track owner and quit and left the track property. Then The announcer asked if anyone would be willing to start the races that night. I got out of the racecar, walked over to the track owner and volunteered. He said okay, I parked the racecar and started the races every Saturday night (got paid fifteen dollars) and by the end of the season, had three tracks lined up to start races the following spring. One Friday night, one Saturday night and one Sunday afternoon. Still had the fun and got paid!
 
SST55 said:
What's the purse at BG?
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I think I forgot to answer this question. Can't say what the total purse is on race day but the winner of the mod race gets about $1,000 if it's a big race. On the double night, the winner of each race gets half of that. And there is a bonus for winning the pole, even if they don't start on the pole (inverted start).
 
Hey buck Burt still travels around alot too doesnt he? I remember watching him in a Nascar mod race at martinsville about a year back and he won the race then got a DQ. Didnt realize it was him at the time till i started looking into his stats after this show started. I would assume he is still running around the coast in the nascar series. I had seen where he was going to do some truck racing as well.
 
basscatcher89 said:
Hey buck Burt still travels around alot too doesnt he? I remember watching him in a Nascar mod race at martinsville about a year back and he won the race then got a DQ. Didnt realize it was him at the time till i started looking into his stats after this show started. I would assume he is still running around the coast in the nascar series. I had seen where he was going to do some truck racing as well.
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The race you saw at Martinsville was a part of the dual Whelen Modified Series and the Whelen Southern Modified Series. Junior, Tim, Burt and Jason were all there as well but didn't fare as well. They ran that race dual for about four years but this year it will only be the Northern boys racing. Of course, the southern guys can run as well, but there won't be dual points given. BTW, last year they ran the dual at Bristol and will again this year. The southern tour races one race at Bowman Gray Stadium and sometimes we get a northern driver or two. The southern tour this year will begin at Atlanta and finish as Charlotte. You can catch their schedule on the SMART website, http://www.southernmodified.com/ Also, just in case anyone wants to check out Bowman Gray Stadium, here's their website... http://www.bowmangrayracing.com/ Also, Burt and Tim both raced one truck race this past season.

BTW, Burt was disqualified from that race because they thought he had traction control and while searching for it, found illegal wiring, which probably was for the control system. Burt waxed em all including the top northern drivers at the year end North/South Shootout at Concord Motorsports Park. Burt has a Roush powerplant in this car.
 
I always heard it wasnt nothing crazy just enough for nascar to get pissed off. I had always heard it was an illegal shock he was using but that must have just been the cover story. And it came from tv people we all know how reliable they are.
 
Show just seems a little too scriped for me. Of course some of it's real but just seems more than a few parts are scripted.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Show just seems a little too scriped for me. Of course some of it's real but just seems more than a few parts are scripted.
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Maybe you can see why the Myers are after Junior. He brings it on himself and he doesn't have to.

Burt described the difference between himself and Tim very good. Basically, Tim is a points driver whereas Burt wants to win the race. There are more drivers at Bowman Gray Stadium with the attitude like Burt and Junior have, that is to win if at all possible than like Tim and not make trouble. BTW, they keep showing Eric as Junior's crew chief, but Chad Freeman, the bald guy with the computer program is Junior's actual CC. Chad is trying to run for some office and he doesn't want to make any enemies via the film, so he tries to stay in the background.

Also as Chris Fleming says, his brother is a much better driver than he is. Frank runs the NASCAR Whelen Southern Modified Tour, but doesn't race at the stadium regularly any more. And Frank and Junior has had some good run-ins as well, but really, Junior doesn't care who he spins out so if you race at BGS, chances are sooner or later Junior will spin you out.
 
Stewart Fan said:
I'd like to see those Late Models that were coming out at the end of the show.
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They were limited late model mostly with crate engines. I actually like their racing better because one, they get more car in a race, and two, they aren't afraid to try and drive around the car in front of them. The mods are so much more expensive, not to say the limiteds aren't expensive. Also, Chris Fleming's son Luke, drives one of the limiteds and his team is pretty persnickety about the looks of the car as Tim Brown is. I look for Luke to move up to the mods sometime soon. He's a much better driver than his dad.
 
The team that was going to go back to a tape and string needs to sit down with that new fangled computer gizmo and learn the program.
It's a lot of work entering all the info, a lot of work. The program wants to know everything almost including what the driver had for lunch.
Once the info is entered all you do is input tire temps and it'll tell you what's needed. Sometimes it'll say to do something that doesn't agree with ol' fashioned racing wisdom but the program will always cut your lap times whereas the old way sometimes won't.
 
SST55 said:
The team that was going to go back to a tape and string needs to sit down with that new fangled computer gizmo and learn the program.
It's a lot of work entering all the info, a lot of work. The program wants to know everything almost including what the driver had for lunch.
Once the info is entered all you do is input tire temps and it'll tell you what's needed. Sometimes it'll say to do something that doesn't agree with ol' fashioned racing wisdom but the program will always cut your lap times whereas the old way sometimes won't.
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LOL, you don't need to tell me or any other BGS fan. The guy who was working with the program is the real crew chief and I'm sure that once he figures out the ins and outs, they will use this. The owner of Junior's team is a storied modified driver, Melvin "Puddin" Swisher and Puddin will do the right thing. Eric is the redneck that the producers want to show and stress, but I can assure you that Puddin won't settle for second best. Junior is his A team, but the B team is really the up and coming driver who won the race in that showing.
 
I couldnt figure out why they were having such a problem with that software. I have the same exact program and its pretty cut and dry on how it wants the information entered. The only thing is it wants dimensions so it can build a 3d model to show you. Its actually a very cool program and has helped me understand my car a ton. The measurements are just time consuming but its not hard to figure out how they want you to take those dimensions.
 
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