History Channel to air Madhouse Modifieds

Let me set something straight here now. The race shown last night was not the same Saturday night that Chris didn't show up. During that night, Chris came in second in the second race, a race that was won by Miller's teammate, Jonathan Brown.

SST, you must have missed the reply that Gary Myers had about Miller's engine. But it was years ago anyway and Miller just doesn't care for the Myers so he will try to ruin their day in any way he can. Many a time he has slowed down to get in front of Burt so he can wreck him. As a driver, what can you do when you know someone is going to try and take you out? It's pretty hard to avoid them in this little bull arena.

Speedpagan, I hope you get a chance to come and visit the stadium this year. Don't know if the history channel will be doing the same thing or not, so unless you come to see for yourself, you might not be able to witness what the new year has in store. For one thing, Miller will no longer be driving for Puddin Swisher. He has purchased two chasis, two motors etal from a driver who was banned from NASCAR racing. This equipment is darned good and could put Miller in a better position for points. That being said, it will also change the way Miller drives because it will be him that has to pay for the carnage that he creates. In the past, he has relied on the owner of his car to foot most of the bills and that has cost him more than one ride. And don't think that it's just the Myers clan who has problems with the way Miller drives. And lastly, Miller will have to put up with his protege of last year, young Jonathan, who finished right behind Burt in the points.
 
I hope they keep on with the whole season. I am really enjoying the show. Look forward to sunday nights.

I had to laugh when i saw jr put that spacer on cause we had one sitting in our garage last summer that we decided not to use cause our tech would have caught it no problem.

I was screaming at the tv when i saw the techs pick up the carb and not even look at the spacer lol. thats where most guys do there cheating right there.
 
basscatcher89 said:
I was screaming at the tv when i saw the techs pick up the carb and not even look at the spacer lol. thats where most guys do there cheating right there.
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I remember this time very well and because we monitor the tower on our scanners, we knew what was going on in the pits. If you heard what Jason said on the show, you will remember that he said that you have to write on a piece of paper exactly what you are protesting. I remember the team trying to tell the Stadium officials to check the spacer over and over again, but they said that wasn't what the money was protesting. Junior has been caught several times with that spacer but since he doesn't use it all the time, it's a big gamble to protest it. The NASCAR Whelen Southern Modified Tour will check this before qualifying and the races so once he was caught using it and DQ'd, he hasn't use it as often. Also, that was his own car that he used it. Puddin wouldn't have allowed it on his cars.
 
What i was looking for to happen as well is. We got a team at the local asphalt track that plays the carb game alot and they got crew members that practice switching out the carbs quick. He will pull into the pits and the team will have the illegal carb off and legal carb on before they reach the head of a tech line after the race.

With junior being in his pit i figured they would have tried that, and maybe they did i dont know.
 
I remember the form of cheating that took place back in my brother's Go-Kart days. Back then people would fill up the gas tank not only with the fuel that was required in order to race, but they'd also mix in something else to give you the edge. However, the track owners soon caught on and started pumping out everyone's tank into this big tank and then filling it back up. At that point you'd hope that everyone was cheating when it came to the gas that you'd get alittle bit of it back.

I don't know if there was any other form of cheating, there probably was.
 
While it is true that Junior has cheated, and probably did at this time, let's not think that the other guys don't. I have a co-worker who owns two of those cars (none that are showcased in the show) and he tells me loads of things and swears me to keep silent about most of them. I do know that the Myers also have an illegal carb and all the teams can change them in a hurry. What you saw on the show was just crazy. But here's the biggest kicker...Burt, Jason, Tim and Junior, and probably many others, have installed traction control which is so illegal. It was Burt who almost got caught with it at Martinsville when he beat everyone, including the Yanks, but had his win taken away. They didn't find the TC, but they did find the wiring for it. All of the teams know where to purchase it and they don't make any bones about it. But cheating is something that has always been done in motor racing and will probably always be a part of the sport. But they are making it harder and harder to get away with it.

SST, I did find out that Fleming probably does have a nice late model dirt car in his garage. His background came from there and it's been rumored that he will be going back to one of the local tracks again. Also, Chris Fleming is no where near as broke as they are making it look. That family, along with the rest of the Flemings have plenty of money. Chris is not spending the family's milk money on his cars.

If any of you would like to see the press releases for the Stadium for last year to see who did what and to follow the points battle, you can go to [URL="http://www.bowmangrayracing.com[/URL] and click "In the press", then click on the 2009 archives. There you will be able to keep up with the season as it rolls along. They have to truncate the season because they only have 13 weeks, so there is plenty of stuff they leave out.

One last thing. That bit they keep showing of Burt slamming into Junior happened the year before and note that the car was the "orange" car. It was also a car owned by Riggs Racing, which I believe is based out of NY. One of my most fondest memories of the Burt vs. Junior feud was when Burt was a rookie and Junior spun him out. Burt waited for him sitting sideways on the front stretch and when Junior passed him by, Burt slammed the throttle and hit Junior t-bone from the right side. That was when he was driving the #4 car and Jason was driving in the six cylinder stock class. Anyway, that was the last time Junior drove for them and the biggest reason was the cost of repairing the cars. So many teams have retaliated against Junior that it was just time to let him go. And the owner of the car that Junior drives during the show has also dumped him. Junior will win many races for you, but the cost per win just doesn't compute.
 
You mentioned illegal carbs, Buck. There's a fine upstanding gentleman who reworks Holley's with outstanding results, initials are BG. I have a Holley 0-7448 2 bbl, a 350 cfm carb that flows 430 cfm. And it's been pulled and insp by Na$car tech and it fits every go-nogo guage and passed.:D

I've yet to see the latest in traction control devices but have heard the "new" one can be hidden almost anywhere in or on the drivers suit, about the size of a credit card and 3 cards thick. It will somehow short out the rev limiter chip when the tach shows excessive wheel spin. Haven't a clue how it works but I will later in the season.:)
 
SST55 said:
I've yet to see the latest in traction control devices but have heard the "new" one can be hidden almost anywhere in or on the drivers suit, about the size of a credit card and 3 cards thick. It will somehow short out the rev limiter chip when the tach shows excessive wheel spin. Haven't a clue how it works but I will later in the season.:)
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Yep, that's the size of it all. Easy to disconnect and not all that expensive. The only thing that will give it away is a complete inspection of the entire electrical system. However, if you know what you're looking for, it's easy to find tell-tell evidence. NASCAR is aware of this and they know what to look for. But once the teams learn what they look for, they try to find another solution. If one knows what to look for, even via audio, one could see that it's rampant at the stadium. About $500 can get your through those flat corners at Bowman Gray Stadium.
 
Ive seen guys use traction control to help out running the high side on little tracks like that. I know Bowman Gray is a catfish bottom track, but i would imagine those guys try to find something to help them out when they line up on the outside.

That was mostly on asphalt though. Traction Control seems to hurt more drivers on the dirt then help.
 
Just got notice that this next episode will introduce the youngster who is Junior's teammate, Jonathan "Jon Boy" Brown. This coming year Jonathan will be the only driver for Puddin. Jon Boy came in third this year in the points and is definitely going to give the others a run for their money...like he did this past year. Look for the #53.
 
buckaroo said:
Surely my man you are not surprised at this, even in the big time. They still fiddle with the gray areas in the Cup series.
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Yea, I do remember that controversy with Jimmie Johnson's car and how it barely met regulations last season. I don't mind if they push the envelope, but out and out cheating I do have a problem with. Play in the gray areas all you want, just don't go over the line.
 
I saw in the previews for next week Tim Brown tells one of his crew members to "shut the F*** up"

I would have already beat the crap out of him.
 
Ok 1. Junior, you need to open your wallet and spend the money on new parts. I know after awhile people get stuck in their ways, but you'd think a driver like him realizes that if he wants to be competitive, that he needs to buy the latest and greatest. Equipment, parts, etc. are always evolving in auto racing, so either get with the times, or get out of the way.

2. What good does it do to "wait" on someone to just wreck them? I mean sure it'll make you feel good temporarily, but you now have a wrecked car, and you lost the race. Maybe I'm spoiled by Sprint Cup. *laughs*
 
The guy with the engine shop is pretty funny. They need to have him on the show more.
 
chromehorn said:
The guy with the engine shop is pretty funny. They need to have him on the show more.
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This guy and his family sit right in front of us at the stadium. They never show who they root for, but their T-shirts tell it all. That is who builds those engines.
 
Ive seen alot of older racers like junior on the local level do the same thing with engine parts. Run them till they are gone and run them some more. But Junior seems to run close to the front where the guys i see run in the back with their junk equipment.


Id be mad if i was the owner of the red car and the only thing keeping it off the track was a driver that was tight with money like that for an engine.
 
Finally got to watch this weeks show. I can't tell you how turned around and edited the show has become. This week's race appeared to be the only race that night. In fact, it was the second race after the one that Junior won on the show last week. What's more, the show gave the appearance that Chrs sat out that week, when in fact, he didn't. It was a different week altogether. Chris finished back in the pack on that first race but was able to get close to the front on the redraw and was able to take second place behind Joh boy Brown when Brad Robbins took out Burt.

Again, what you see is not what actually goes on at the stadium. The producers are intend on getting the Junior/Myers feud going all the time and that poor Fleming is such a poor racer. Most of the racing will not have the Myers and Junior close enough that their only goal is to take one another out. Hard as it is to believe, they all look at winning first and if that means knocking someone out of the way doing it, so be it. It isn't just Junior or the Myers that do this. It's a way of life on the track and is what keeps people coming back week after week.

Oh, and there is one thing that someone said during this weeks racing action that has happened time and time again. When a driver becomes so hated for one reason or another, someone will put a bounty on him to see who can put him in the wall. When this occurs, that drivers time at the track is over and it's a shame because those are the guys who have the ability to move up into the next series. What they end up doing is going to another track maybe Caraway or Hickory or Ace or even Concord Motor Speedway. Junior's owners over the years have been told that if Junior does something, he will get it back twice. That kind of talk cost him one of the best rides he ever had with Riggs Racing and I think it has now cost him the ride with Puddin.

As a side note, everyone at the stadium knows that I am not a fan of Junior Miller for many reasons, but I will say this about the old coot, he can still drive the car to win. I just think that with the cameras there that he can have what he believes is fun and get to race as well. With the new equipment he'll be sporting next year, he may decide to try to win it all again just to tie Tim.

So y'all need to come to the stadium on any given Saturday night during the season and watch the show. I can guarentee you that it will be a cheap night ($10 a ticket and free parking. About every other Saturday, ladies get in for a buck. You can bring your own cooler with sodas and water et.al, but no beer or liquor and no bottles. Of course there has been times that I've poured a couple of Guiness Extra Stout into a Cheerwine bottle and brought that in. But bring in your eats and drinks and have a lot of fun. And believe me, it will get crazy in the stands. And you don't want to act like a newbie, not knowing who you are for, get up anf holler for someone. Yell at those in front of you or beside you. But dont' get upset when someone takes it a bit further than you had wanted. LOL
 
Buck,
I hate to do this, being the doubting Thomas, but do you know why are they running titanium valves on a 1/4 mile flat track? Manley recommends titanium valves only on engines experiencing sustained 8 grand rpm. I don't know of any mods here running anywhere close to 8 grand, if you are running over 6500 you need a gear change. Not busting, just askin'.

I think you had said they run other tracks when the BG "season" was over.
We ran three tracks way back when, a 1/3, a 1/2 and 5/8 (Thompson 5/8 mile and wicked wicked double wicked fast) Each required a different gear to keep the motor in the power band.
 
SST55 said:
Buck,
I hate to do this, being the doubting Thomas, but do you know why are they running titanium valves on a 1/4 mile flat track? Manley recommends titanium valves only on engines experiencing sustained 8 grand rpm. I don't know of any mods here running anywhere close to 8 grand, if you are running over 6500 you need a gear change. Not busting, just askin'.

I think you had said they run other tracks when the BG "season" was over.
We ran three tracks way back when, a 1/3, a 1/2 and 5/8 (Thompson 5/8 mile and wicked wicked double wicked fast) Each required a different gear to keep the motor in the power band.
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I can't answer that question but I'll ask Andy Nelson who owns the car that Bobby Hutches drives. As for the other tracks, not all from the stadium will race at the other tracks. Those races are the NASCAR Whelen Southern Modified Tour races and they race from Atlanta Speedway to Bristol. Of course, those are the big ones but the main tracks is Caraway Speedway just outside of Ashboro, NC. You can check out their schedule at http://localracing.nascar.com/races/NWSMT For the last few years, the southern tour combined with the northern tour at Martinsville, but this year it will only be the northern tour though I'm sure some from the south will partake. The race at Bristol is a combined event and after the season, there is the annual John Blewett North/South Shootout at Concord Motor Speedway, a neat 1/2 mile tri-oval.

I'm not all that savey as to the setup with the different tracks, but my friend Andy knows all that stuff. He is my inside track to what's happening at the Stadium and elsewhere. :)
 
SST55 said:
Buck,
I hate to do this, being the doubting Thomas, but do you know why are they running titanium valves on a 1/4 mile flat track? Manley recommends titanium valves only on engines experiencing sustained 8 grand rpm. I don't know of any mods here running anywhere close to 8 grand, if you are running over 6500 you need a gear change. Not busting, just askin'.

I think you had said they run other tracks when the BG "season" was over.
We ran three tracks way back when, a 1/3, a 1/2 and 5/8 (Thompson 5/8 mile and wicked wicked double wicked fast) Each required a different gear to keep the motor in the power band.
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Talked to Andy today and this is what he told me. "Us'n down here in the south cain't afford to have two, three or more motors or cars for different sized tracks. Sides, our engins haif to last us two, three years or more." Actually, he didn't talk like that, but you probably couldn't understand him if I posted what he actually said. The point is, down here they race for a win to pay about $2,000 whereas us there, the winner gets considerably more, and there are paying sponsors. The reason Tim and Burt win more often than the others is because they have big money sponsors. Junior has pretty good sponsors, but when he left Riggs, the big money also went. Now he is relying on his own money, even while driving for a different owner. But Junior has plenty of money (BTW, so does Chris Fleming) but spending big bucks for such low payouts just doesn't work.
 
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