I'm already sick of the chase and it hasn't started yet.

Clutch said:
It's some of these happenings that I actually find entertaining.
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I see where you are coming from as it is entertaining to take a torch to a nickle and throw it on the ground and watch an Amish guy pick it up. More entertainment involving the Amish is waiting for them to get liquored up and switching horses and buggies as the horse always knows its way home and takes the drunk to a place he ain't expecting.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I see where you are coming from as it is entertaining to take a torch to a nickle and throw it on the ground and watch an Amish guy pick it up. More entertainment involving the Amish is waiting for them to get liquored up and switching horses and buggies as the horse always knows its way home and takes the drunk to a place he ain't expecting.
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You obviously have a differing definition of entertainment than I because I would find those antics childish and bullying behaviour.
 
Michfan said:
The 10 competitor/10 race chase was actually pretty cool and a reasonable compromise.
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I agree the 16 has made it more of a farce. Guys fighting for 16th in points have no business being eligible for a championship in racing. Some might argue "there are 16 teams in the NFL playoffs," but I would say the dropoff in competition in NASCAR is far greater once you get out of the top 10-12.
 
Clutch said:
You obviously have a differing definition of entertainment than I because I would find those antics childish and bullying behaviour.
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We do have a differing opinion as I find things like the winner of the 500 or a rain shortened event making the lottery not in the least bit entertaining, a mockery and certainly not the least bit sporting.
 
29-4 said:
I agree the 16 has made it more of a farce. Guys fighting for 16th in points have no business being eligible for a championship in racing. Some might argue "there are 16 teams in the NFL playoffs," but I would say the dropoff in competition in NASCAR is far greater once you get out of the top 10-12.
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The drop off after the first 5 is huge and after 10 it is gynormous, IMO.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Thank you, Clutch.
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I was thinking of you the other night when I saw that tire bouncing around pit road with no caution and prayed fervently you would not suffer an aneurysm or poop your depend...........:XXROFL:
 
29-4 said:
I agree the 16 has made it more of a farce. Guys fighting for 16th in points have no business being eligible for a championship in racing. Some might argue "there are 16 teams in the NFL playoffs," but I would say the dropoff in competition in NASCAR is far greater once you get out of the top 10-12.
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Some might argue there are 16 teams in the NFL playoffs, but they'd be wrong. There are only 12.

12 teams out of 32 is 37.5%. By that standard, there should be 15 cars in the Chase. I'd do a comparison to other sports with playoffs, but frankly I don't know how many teams are in MLB, NBA, NHL, etc, much less how many of them advance to the post season.

So why 16 for NASCAR? Because Brian wanted 4 rounds, with 4 cars eliminated after each round. That means you have to start with 16. The number was derived from the format, the same way pit stops are determined on a road course; start at the end and count backwards.
 
Problem is Brian was trying to find a quick fix, and when you quick fix something, you half ass it. The super bowl didn't become required viewing until the late '80s, and no one gave a crap about the NCAA tournament until the office bracket pool became popular in the '90s. Since Brian has ADD, by the time filling out nascar brackets becomes popular, nascar will be on their 20th different chase format.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I see where you are coming from as it is entertaining to take a torch to a nickle and throw it on the ground and watch an Amish guy pick it up. More entertainment involving the Amish is waiting for them to get liquored up and switching horses and buggies as the horse always knows its way home and takes the drunk to a place he ain't expecting.
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you have done this? I didn't think a Amish person would pick up a Nickle.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Some might argue there are 16 teams in the NFL playoffs, but they'd be wrong. There are only 12.

12 teams out of 32 is 37.5%. By that standard, there should be 15 cars in the Chase. I'd do a comparison to other sports with playoffs, but frankly I don't know how many teams are in MLB, NBA, NHL, etc, much less how many of them advance to the post season.

So why 16 for NASCAR? Because Brian wanted 4 rounds, with 4 cars eliminated after each round. That means you have to start with 16. The number was derived from the format, the same way pit stops are determined on a road course; start at the end and count backwards.
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On the other hand, I can't think of another pro sport where the 30th best team can make the playoffs.
 
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you have done this? I didn't think a Amish person would pick up a Nickle.
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No, I have not done either of those things but some of my cronies did the coin thing when they were kids as especially back in those times the Amish guys were real skinflints. I don't think the buggy trick is done anymore as most of the youngsters that would do it would have no clue as to how switch things over. There are some hilarious stories, some told by the older Amish guys, of them having the wrong horse pull them to the wrong house.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Some might argue there are 16 teams in the NFL playoffs, but they'd be wrong. There are only 12.

12 teams out of 32 is 37.5%. By that standard, there should be 15 cars in the Chase. I'd do a comparison to other sports with playoffs, but frankly I don't know how many teams are in MLB, NBA, NHL, etc, much less how many of them advance to the post season.

So why 16 for NASCAR? Because Brian wanted 4 rounds, with 4 cars eliminated after each round. That means you have to start with 16. The number was derived from the format, the same way pit stops are determined on a road course; start at the end and count backwards.
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It was derived from shootyhoops. Sweet 16...with a bracket-like Chase "grid". And suddenly we have a bunch of "grid challenges" to compete in online.

Very original.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I am an advocate of finishing up the season on Labor Day and/or having Nascar compete as few a times as possible with anything pigskin related.
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kk5fan said:
Problem is the money's out of scale for that now.
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I don't care for finishing up by Labor Day but you're absolutely right in looking to avoid head-to-head match-ups with the NFL. No way will NASCAR ever become a bigger draw than the NFL.

It's just that, except for Saturday night, the NFL has already booked the good dates and times and Saturday night is pretty much dominated by college football.

Week night racing maybe ?????


Also, spot on with the money being out of whack.

Jeez, can't the boys just get back to racin' without having to mention a laundry list of sponsors every time a microphone is put in front of their face?
 
Chase, no chase, right now it doesn't really matter to me. The race is the thing, that's why I watch. I want to see a good, competitive race, that's all. In the end, the championship should go to the driver that had the best year. Even with the pre-chase system, there were some years that were so close, that two or three drivers fans, could make an argument for being the champ. Even today, championships from thirty or forty years ago, are still argued. Being a champion can turn on something as trivial as a three dollar part. So in the big scheme of things, championships aren't as important as the races that make up that championship. The race is the thing, it's why we watch.
 
Too bad I can't like that post 3 or 4 times.

Couldn't possibly be better said. Nice job.
 
I was sick of the Chase before the checkered flag flew in the Daytona 500

At this point, it is just about the racing, and thats what I care about, I just want to see good hard racing for 36 PPR
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
No, I have not done either of those things but some of my cronies did the coin thing when they were kids as especially back in those times the Amish guys were real skinflints. I don't think the buggy trick is done anymore as most of the youngsters that would do it would have no clue as to how switch things over. There are some hilarious stories, some told by the older Amish guys, of them having the wrong horse pull them to the wrong house.
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I'll just stick to Saran Wrap and toilet bowls. That doesn't depend on modes of transportation, financial conservatism, or religious principles.
 
FLRacingFan said:
It was derived from shootyhoops. Sweet 16...with a bracket-like Chase "grid". And suddenly we have a bunch of "grid challenges" to compete in online.

Very original.
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If the goal was to have grid like basketball, they failed miserably. There's no head-to-head competition. Three weeks between selections is too much time, esp. for the casual fan. The few times I've tried running or playing one, it's been less than exciting.
 
29-4 said:
Sorry, much more of a college fan! Though now that I live in Wisconsin seem to be gravitating to the Packers...
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Yogisd1 said:
Chase, no chase, right now it doesn't really matter to me. The race is the thing, that's why I watch. I want to see a good, competitive race, that's all. In the end, the championship should go to the driver that had the best year. Even with the pre-chase system, there were some years that were so close, that two or three drivers fans, could make an argument for being the champ. Even today, championships from thirty or forty years ago, are still argued. Being a champion can turn on something as trivial as a three dollar part. So in the big scheme of things, championships aren't as important as the races that make up that championship. The race is the thing, it's why we watch.
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The only problem with that is rules allowing cars to get back on the lead lap faster than a lady of the night dispenses favors has ruined the integrity of many of the individual races. Case in point is Richmond.
 
I have followed Nascar for more than 50 yrs. and I personally like the chase. I remember years when it got down to the final races the points leader only raced to try to keep his points lead, not to win races. But I think now the emphasizes has been put more on winning and running up front. And I think it still allows even those who have become eligible for the chase to go for the win just as hard as those who are not yet qualified for it, thus everyone is racing harder than in the past. Though it may in some ways appear unfair to some, it still allows all drivers the same opportunity to make the chase and still makes the competition level high. I think it has bought out more of the drive to win in drivers more than ever.
 
You can count on the TV guys beating the Chase drum until everyone is ready to puke, but that will happen regardless of the championship format. My view is that Nascar has *never* had a championship format designed to ensure the most deserving team wins the Cup. Nascar has the flattest points scale of any major racing series, which under-rewards winning and over-rewards being consistently better-than-average. No bueno.

I'm no fan of the elimination-style Chase. I'd favor tweaking it toward the best teams who win races and run up front. But I don't try to fool myself into believing that Nascar used to have a righteous format that always crowned the most deserving champion. That would be just drinking a different Kool-Aid.

Many other sports also have rules and procedures that I dislike. If only they would call and ask *me* before doing such stupid things!
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
The only problem with that is rules allowing cars to get back on the lead lap faster than a lady of the night dispenses favors has ruined the integrity of many of the individual races. Case in point is Richmond.
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How was the integrity of the Richmond race ruined by having 24 cars on the lead lap?
 
I'm sure that the "final four" system is a great way to chose a college basketball champion . I can also see the sportswriters choosing the college football champion . But I don't think our season long points championship was in need of replacement . If it was , then I would have preferred the champion be chosen by the sportswriters .
 
ted@economy said:
I'm sure that the "final four" system is a great way to chose a college basketball champion . I can also see the sportswriters choosing the college football champion . But I don't think our season long points championship was in need of replacement . If it was , then I would have preferred the champion be chosen by the sportswriters .
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Holy crap, no. The BCS bowl system was one of the most corrupt systems we've ever had in this country, to the point where if they didn't make a change the bowls were going to be sued out of existence by the group of 5 schools. Don't think for a minute the track owners or teams would be above buying votes from the media.
 
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