Indy experiment?

How about adjustable banking that is at 9 degrees for the IndyCars and 18 degrees for the cup cars? Form fit a big piece of 18 degree-banked asphalt that fits over each corner when the Sprint Cup series comes to town...
 
As it has already been said a few times, my first thought when I read the headline , was just to move the damn race back to IPR Lucas Oil Raceway
 
Rip all 4 fenders off the cars and run open wheel. That'll get the fans back!
 
use the indy road course, or move back to IRP fer 500 laps.
 
It could be worse...NASCAR could've said they want to run the road course with plates. Oh god. I just gave Brian France an idea. :owquitit:
 
Im afraid that nascar does not belong at Indy any more. As so historic as nascar has been at indy, the racing in recent years has gotten terrible. Although indy is very historic, put a short track race in its spot where ock car racing is the most historic
 
Zachgill0024 said:
Im afraid that nascar does not belong at Indy any more. As so historic as nascar has been at indy, the racing in recent years has gotten terrible. Although indy is very historic, put a short track race in its spot where ock car racing is the most historic
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Agreed, the novelty has long since worn off of NASCAR racing at IMS. Time to end the expirement.
 
Acs said:
Oh come on, this isn't one of those "if it ain't broke" situations. The racing at IMS is terrible, everyone agrees. Would you rather NASCAR do nothing and let the brickyard rot away? because your own comments from that race probably are along the lines of what NASCAR should do. "Can't take it anymore?" please. There's nobody left at the brickyard to piss off and 99% of NASCAR fans aren't going to care one way or another that they tried plates in the xfinity series for one race at IMS. If NASCAR continued to sit on their hands then a lot more like you would also be complaining of letting the racing go to sh*t, so for NASCAR it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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I would rather they do nothing and even better leave Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
Simply stated Nascar cannot put on as good of a race as the open wheel cars do, and that is putting it in understated terms.
I think Nascar Sprint Cup racing is the best in the World and the 600 at Charlotte is a great part of the biggest day in Motorsports.

But we suck with the Brickyard race when compared to the Indianapolis 500. They are faster, have more passing, all naturally without the need of BS cautions to create some leader change stats.
They also get better drama and finishes without the GWC crap.

This isnt an effort to profane Nascar, but I think the above points are hard to deny, at least imo. I do not know how anyone could honestly deny the problem.
It puts Nascar at a disadvantage and even disgraces us when the two events are compared, it is a naturally shaming scrnario.

And this is not written to defend open wheel racing. Over the last 25 years the IRL tried everything possibile to screw it up. I remember somebody saying that it would be easier to fix the middle east than it would be to solve the power stuggles from USAC/Cart/IRL eras. Obviously over the top but there is at least a grain of truth in the thought, and Nascar traditionally has been managed better.
Bump day is virtually gone, it is a spec seris now and it doesn't have the innovation it once had.
But they still draw bigger crowds, and put on a better race there. We should admit to the mistake and just get the hell of there.
We put on great races at a lot of tracks, just not there.

(Sorry for the collective "we" I didn't think about it much while writing. I do not represent Nascar or speak for anyone else. Right or wrong I just feel invested enough to use the terminology, racing primarily via Nascar is a big part of my life)
 
Folks continually make the point here that the race still makes money even if no one attends thanks to the tv deal. But what these folks don't consider is the optics of this race to the casual fan. Casuals hear "Indy" and immediately think prestigious. This is further drilled into their heads by commentators who obsess about the prestige of winning here as much as they'll obsess over who is 16th in points a few weeks later. I'm embarrassed to put the Brickyard on tv when I'm around other people. 3/4 empty stands and cars running around in a one-lane train really make people question why I (or anyone) would like NASCAR. Giving that race to Iowa or some other short track would do wonders for NASCAR among serious fans, and would be one less problem to explain to the new fans they so desperately need.
 
Guys, calm. The F***. Down. This is the Xfinity series, not the cup series. It's a test, not a rule change. If it doesn't work we'll never see it on Sunday. If it does, you all need to eat crow. Quit all this blabber about ruining the brickyard 400, we're not even talking about the sunday race! Just because the announced experiment wasn't your ideal scenario of moving the race somewhere else (not gonna happen) doesn't give you license to spew all your stored-up hyperbole. More than any other thread I've seen this one captures just how idiotic NASCAR's fans can be. We really have no idea what we want.
 
What about plates at Michigan? If there was a place to add them it'd be that place
 
Acs said:
Guys, calm. The F***. Down. This is the Xfinity series, not the cup series. It's a test, not a rule change. If it doesn't work we'll never see it on Sunday. If it does, you all need to eat crow. Quit all this blabber about ruining the brickyard 400, we're not even talking about the sunday race! Just because the announced experiment wasn't your ideal scenario of moving the race somewhere else (not gonna happen) doesn't give you license to spew all your stored-up hyperbole. More than any other thread I've seen this one captures just how idiotic NASCAR's fans can be. We really have no idea what we want.
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This reaction indicates that you

a) didn't bring your sense of humor to the thread.

b) don't know enough to understand that adding restrictor plates to more races isn't a neutral experiment that might "work" or "not work" based on whether one race produces "excitement". Plate racing is not legitimate racing, and some of us don't want it to spread anymore throughout the schedule.

c) don't realize that this has been attempted before at tracks other than Daytona and Talladega and was a miserable, embarrassing failure.

d) believe that most complaints were about the Brickyard 400. Most were restating the view that NASCAR never should have taken the lower series away from IRP (Lucas Oil Raceway) and to the Speedway, a sentiment that a huge majority of fans agree with. There is a lot of legitimate frustration that NASCAR has ruined the Xfinity series by leaving the short tracks that defined it, and IRP was one of the best. Watching them desperate to save a sorry event with more Brian France-ian bad ideas is too much to resist. I didn't see anyone express a view about fear of ruining the Brickyard 400. Some believe NASCAR should leave Indy entirely, and again, this is not without considerable support.

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What about plates at Michigan? If there was a place to add them it'd be that place
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No. They already tried to "improve" the racing there with a misguided high-downforce package meant to bring pack racing. It was awful. There is no good place to add plates. There are only good places to remove them, and those good places are everywhere.
 
gnomesayin said:
This reaction indicates that you

a) didn't bring your sense of humor to the thread, assuming you have one.

b) don't know enough to understand that adding restrictor plates to more races isn't a neutral experiment that might "work" or "not work" based on whether one race produces "excitement". Plate racing is not legitimate racing, and some of us don't want it to spread anymore throughout the schedule.

c) don't realize that this has been attempted before at tracks other than Daytona and Talladega and was a miserable, embarrassing failure.

d) believe that most complaints were about the Brickyard 400. Most were restating the view that NASCAR never should have taken the lower series away from IRP (Lucas Oil Raceway) and to the Speedway, a sentiment that a huge majority of fans agree with. There is a lot of legitimate frustration that NASCAR has ruined the Xfinity series by leaving the short tracks that defined it, and IRP was one of the best. Watching them desperate to save a sorry event with more Brian France-ian bad ideas is too much to resist. I didn't see anyone express a view about fear of ruining the Brickyard 400. Some believe NASCAR should leave Indy entirely, and again, this is not without considerable support.
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Very well said.
 
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c) don't realize that this has been attempted before at tracks other than Daytona and Talladega and was a miserable, embarrassing failure.
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Refresh my memory. What track outside of Daytona and Talladega have they ran plates in order to enhance the racing? I know @ Louden it was as a safety measure due to the loss of two drivers. Other than that my memory fails me.
 
Acs said:
Guys, calm. The F***. Down. This is the Xfinity series, not the cup series. It's a test, not a rule change. If it doesn't work we'll never see it on Sunday. If it does, you all need to eat crow. Quit all this blabber about ruining the brickyard 400, we're not even talking about the sunday race! Just because the announced experiment wasn't your ideal scenario of moving the race somewhere else (not gonna happen) doesn't give you license to spew all your stored-up hyperbole. More than any other thread I've seen this one captures just how idiotic NASCAR's fans can be. We really have no idea what we want.
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From what I have read on this thread the only person that needs some time in calm down corner is YOU as race fans are discussing what an abomination IMS is with stock cars on track. The second tier series used to put on a heck of a race at IRP and in its wisdom Nascar decided to take that race and turn it into a snooze fest at IMS. Instead of doing the right thing and going back to IRP Nascar decided that it would be a good idea to put plates on X cars and see what happens. Great plan!

You need to get this into your noggin post haste and that is you are not the arbiter of what is and what is not acceptable conversation on this forum. Moderators are present to watch over what is taking place and if they deem things unacceptable we will know it immediately. My advice to you is the same I have given others in your situation. If you don't like something instead of pitching a hissy just don't read it. If you can't handle the opinions of others without having a conniption fit don't go away mad but please just go away. Life is to short for this nonsense.
 
LOL. F***in' incredible condescension right there.

@Acs I hope you realize that you've been told in no uncertain terms... all opinions are welcome here, as long as they agree with the man on the high horse.
 
LewTheShoe said:
LOL. F***in' incredible condescension right there.

@Acs I hope you realize that you've been told in no uncertain terms... all opinions are welcome here, as long as they agree with the man on the high horse.
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I was quite condescending myself toward Acs on this one, but it was because his opinion was that everyone else should be quiet about their opinions, which he characterized inaccurately before dismissing. I welcome opposing opinions that actually argue the points being made, so that we can have a back and forth without anyone telling anyone to shut up.
 
LewTheShoe said:
LOL. F***in' incredible condescension right there.

@Acs I hope you realize that you've been told in no uncertain terms... all opinions are welcome here, as long as they agree with the man on the high horse.
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If you are going to have a temper tantrum because you don't like others opinions you need some comeuppance.
 
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God hell no please it's terrible in NXS.

I think IRP and NASCAR couldn't come to an agreement on sanctioning fees and IRP needed safety upgrades (I don't believe they have SAFER barriers).

Doesn't help that Brian France cares about the cheese and wine crowd over putting on better racing at IRP.
 
AuzGrams said:
God hell no please it's terrible in NXS.

I think IRP and NASCAR couldn't come to an agreement on sanctioning fees and IRP needed safety upgrades (I don't believe they have SAFER barriers).

Doesn't help that Brian France cares about the cheese and wine crowd over putting on better racing at IRP.
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I'd hardly describe NASCAR fans at IMS as 'cheese and wine crowd'. Heck, I wouldn't describe them as a 'crowd' of any kind.
 
I was more alluding to the fact that he would rather cater to the cheese and wine corporate profit at IMS over good racing at IRP or Road America.
 
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God hell no please it's terrible in NXS.
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I wasn't advocating for its use ... just pointing out the fact that it's an intake restricting / horsepower reducing device as is the much smaller restrictor plate used at the super speedways.

Since you brought it up, how did the rules-maker drop the non-plate Cup motors back to approx 750 hp from the 900 or so teams were making before 2015?
 
Acs said:
Guys, calm. The F***. Down. This is the Xfinity series, not the cup series. It's a test, not a rule change. If it doesn't work we'll never see it on Sunday. If it does, you all need to eat crow. Quit all this blabber about ruining the brickyard 400, we're not even talking about the sunday race! Just because the announced experiment wasn't your ideal scenario of moving the race somewhere else (not gonna happen) doesn't give you license to spew all your stored-up hyperbole. More than any other thread I've seen this one captures just how idiotic NASCAR's fans can be. We really have no idea what we want.
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Skoalbandit33 said:
From what I have read on this thread the only person that needs some time in calm down corner is YOU as race fans are discussing what an abomination IMS is with stock cars on track. The second tier series used to put on a heck of a race at IRP and in its wisdom Nascar decided to take that race and turn it into a snooze fest at IMS. Instead of doing the right thing and going back to IRP Nascar decided that it would be a good idea to put plates on X cars and see what happens. Great plan!

You need to get this into your noggin post haste and that is you are not the arbiter of what is and what is not acceptable conversation on this forum. Moderators are present to watch over what is taking place and if they deem things unacceptable we will know it immediately. My advice to you is the same I have given others in your situation. If you don't like something instead of pitching a hissy just don't read it. If you can't handle the opinions of others without having a conniption fit don't go away mad but please just go away. Life is to short for this nonsense.
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A grotesque over-reaction to what Acs said.

Yes, we have a moderator. You're not it.
 
There are obviously some longstanding rivalries between certain posters that I'm not aware of and don't care to get involved in. I was more insulting to Acs than Skoal was. The reason I took that tenor is because the post I replied to was quite insulting itself, referring to most of the posts before it as blabbering and spewing and idiotic. I didn't think that was warranted, and I still don't. It struck me like a very heated overreaction telling everyone else how much they were overreacting.

I would rather just discuss and debate whatever subject is being talked about without anyone being told to not write what they want to write, trolls notwithstanding.
 
Rivalry, long-standing or otherwise, has nothing to do with it.

Maybe Acs is just filled to the brim with the continuous stream of repetitive commentary about the same issues. If he is, it's understandable.
 
aunty dive said:
Maybe Acs is just filled to the brim with the continuous stream of repetitive commentary about the same issues. If he is, it's understandable.
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Hmm, OK, I don't know. The only repetition I see in the thread was that many different posters share a similar opinion about something that relates to the original topic.

In the spirit of de-escalation, I'd like to say that my post was over the top because of what I was reacting to, and I apologize to Acs for saying certain things that I now realize are inaccurate based on reading his earlier posts. I could still claim "he started it", but an eye for an eye doesn't solve much.
 
My remark wasn't limited to this thread.

Thanks for the response.
 
gnomesayin said:
There are obviously some longstanding rivalries between certain posters that I'm not aware of and don't care to get involved in. I was more insulting to Acs than Skoal was. The reason I took that tenor is because the post I replied to was quite insulting itself, referring to most of the posts before it as blabbering and spewing and idiotic. I didn't think that was warranted, and I still don't. It struck me like a very heated overreaction telling everyone else how much they were overreacting.

I would rather just discuss and debate whatever subject is being talked about without anyone being told to not write what they want to write, trolls notwithstanding.
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It is always peculiar to me when someone starts complaining about other people complaining or repetitively posts about other posts or subjects being repetitive. The error that ACS made was to call the entire board stupid and most people will just ignore that sort of thing but some will take umbrage and reply to it. As far as I am concerned it is over and I am not upset or angry with anyone but an apology or clarification from ACS wouldn't hurt.
 
Plates @ Indy for the Xfinity Series. Makes no difference to me. I quit watching the Xfinity Series Brickyard weekend when they moved across town to the big venue. I'm no more apt to tune into next season experiment then I've been to tune into their past races there.
 
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